BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[GiBurns]

The original claim that started this tangent was a claim that he was promoting his rape prevention seminars as a "cash grab", sir. Except that they're free and TLI has done them for years. Which led to people to ridiclously claim that it's a "cash grab" because seminar attendees might decide to sign up for regular classes.

That subsequently led to the claim that the redirect of the lloydirvinrape.com URL was also a "cash grab". Except that it redirected to a site for a free DVD. Now you guys want to cry about a shipping charge and spam emails? Now that's the "cash grab"?

If you're doing a cash grab, you don't do it with free seminars, spam emails, and DVDs where you pay nothing but a small fee for shipping. In fact, if you were trying to exploit women's self-defense as a way to make money, it would probably look a little more like this.

Something horrible happened at his school and instead of buying LloydIrvinRape.com to release a statement about the situation, clarifying his own history or providing a way for concern individuals to contribute money to organizations like RAINN, he uses it to promote his seminar which is a way businesses make money.

He used the site to manipulate and control what media and forums were saying, all while in the end this turns a profit for Lloyd Irvin. So yes, I stand by my statement that this was a cash grab by Lloyd Irvin. He used that site to redirect searches to a site he controls and while you're there "Go ahead and sign up for my email list!". Please....

As Rahm Emanuel said, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste".

So again I'll repeat what I said earlier. Doing this was classless, insensitive and amoral.

 

[Jdonw]

You were not there, you have no idea what your talking about, just one side of the story. He said it was not a gang rape, he said she said, coleslaw said who was not even there. Same ole sob story using a non-sourced third party.

Lloyd was not found guilty of rape in a court of law. You always use what the court said as proof that Lloyd is not a rapist. Refute this logic then.

5 men were convicted of rape stemming from the incident LI was charged in.
Therefore, a rape occurred as proven in a court of law.
LI was admittedly present when these 5 men had sex with her(raped, as proven in court)
LI therefore was therefore complicit in the rape of a woman.

 

[KGB256]

Apparently I did not articulate my point well enough.
He still displays the behaviors that led him to think it okay to rape someone. And he still displays the type of behaviors that finds him in the personal company of others who obviously think that rape is okay.

I don't have a problem with him giving a free seminar either. But the context and timing of his seminar in this case show him trying to get in front of an issue. He did not do it to "help women".

All due respect to your psychic abilities, I don't think anybody in this discussion is in a position to declare what Lloyd Irvin thinks. Particularly since you're claiming that Irvin and the people around him think it's okay to rape someone.

If you don't have a problem with the seminar, I'm not sure WTF you're arguing about. The dude is a scumbag, but you're making it out like he can't do a good thing that would also give him good PR....nope, if it gives him good PR, that's the only possible motivation. The guy's a scumbag, but he's not a cartoon character.

 

[Balto]

posted this in the other thread but ima post it here to:



If that is this case, why is his school sucsessful?

From the site you publish your articles on:

"Again, Beta is one of the largest TLI affiliates so this is a big move"


So Beta Academy is one of the largest Martial Arts schools in the DC area... + they charge the extortionate Lloyld irvin fees... but he aint making money??? C'mon Son!!!


Have you seen how many classes they run a day?:

https://clients.mindbodyonline.com/ASP/home.asp?studioid=33559


Former Beta Academy worker speaks up on Lloyd Irvin's page:

Alexander 'Omega Red' Khojainov: "As someone who worked at BETA for 2 years and did all the hiring, firing, sales staff and front desk management, phone script and sales system enforcement, chasing homeless people out of the school and scrubbing the mats when the underpaid cleaners didn't show up

 

[Jdonw]

Alexander 'Omega Red' Khojainov: "As someone who worked at BETA for 2 years and did all the hiring, firing, sales staff and front desk management, phone script and sales system enforcement, chasing homeless people out of the school and scrubbing the mats when the underpaid cleaners didn't show up

 

[KGB256]

Something horrible happened at his school and instead of buying LloydIrvinRape.com to release a statement about the situation, clarifying his own history or providing a way for concern individuals to contribute money to organizations like RAINN, he uses it to promote his seminar which is a way businesses make money.

He used the site to manipulate and control what media and forums were saying, all while in the end this turns a profit for Lloyd Irvin. So yes, I stand by my statement that this was a cash grab by Lloyd Irvin. He used that site to redirect searches to a site he controls and while you're there "Go ahead and sign up for my email list!". Please....

As Rahm Emanuel said, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste".

So again I'll repeat what I said earlier. Doing this was classless, insensitive and amoral.

1) The incident did not take place at his school. It took place in a parking garage near a nightclub. It took place between students of his school, but it did not take place at his school.

2) He never promoted the free seminars at that URL. It was briefly set up as a redirect to the free Nyjah Easton DVD page.

3) He bought the domain and parked it as a redirect after the 1989 case was revealed. Would he have used it to make his own statement? We'll never know, because the community exploded with outrage virtually as soon as it was registered.

4) Not sure if you've been keeping up, but the folks here made a big deal out of the fact that he registered lloydirvinstatement.com prior to releasing his statement through GracieMag. And, of course, it was treated as something sinister.

5) You've ascribed some magical properties to SEO. He's manipulating and controlling what we're saying about him using a redirect? :icon_lol:

6) So you are calling a shipping charge as his big "cash grab"? :icon_lol:

7) And let's once again remind ourselves that Irvin admitted this URL was registered to prevent someone from using it to make a site like this, he took down the redirect due to public objection, and he has already apologized for the URL and redirect in his statement.

 

[lechien]

p.s Beta Academy are moving to a bigger location... again how is that possible if they ain't making money???

stop paying 35 K to LI and spending it on a better lease.

 

[KGB256]

It's weird how when one of Lloyd's students does well, Lloyd claims 100% responsibility for all success. But when two of Lloyd's students rape a girl, Lloyd claims 0% responsibility for that one. Seems like kind of a disconnect to me.

Even weirder is how one guy trains there for 7 months, another trains there for a few weeks, and suddenly their actions aren't their own responsibility, but rather the result of Lloyd Irvin's influence.

The biggest issue I have with blaming Irvin for the NYE rape is it takes blame away from Schultz & Maldonado. But hey, I suppose that's fair, because they never spammed me with any annoying marketing emails.

 

[ElKarlo]

It was a new gym and BJJ wasn't popular. We're talking 2001 so it was like train there or don't train BJJ at all. The next closest gym was an hour away.

You get stuck with so much invested that you can't walk away. When another gym opened up in my area I jumped ship and 10 others followed.

I hear ya. Esp since you didn't know how bjj was supposed to be run. It's like am I the strange one?

 

[Title Fight Productions]

Apparently I did not articulate my point well enough.
He still displays the behaviors that led him to think it okay to rape someone. And he still displays the type of behaviors that finds him in the personal company of others who obviously think that rape is okay.

I don't have a problem with him giving a free seminar either. But the context and timing of his seminar in this case show him trying to get in front of an issue. He did not do it to "help women".

Did you miss the point about his Sambo coach?

 

[Junior Skilo]

Nakapan never said that he wasn't making money through his school. That's just a BS twist that Lloyd put on it to smear him and try to make him look bad.

When Nakapan said he lost more money than he made, he was talking about the Mastermind group -- aka the Cartel, aka the Syndicate model, aka the MLM pyramid scheme. He paid Lloyd $35K a year in return for a spot at the top of the pyramid. That investment did not pay off because pyramid schemes are doomed to fail.

Of course his school is doing pretty well. But you can't credit Lloyd for all of that. Nakapan did almost all of the work building it up.

if Nakapan's claim to have around 400 students on their books are correct... he would be making enough profit to cover the $35,000 costs... His own former General Manger is claiming that the knowledge that he gained from the Mastermind Group enabled them to achieve the level of success they have

 

[KJGould]

if Nakapan's claim to have around 400 students on their books are correct... he would be making enough profit to cover the $35,000 costs... His own former General Manger is claiming that the knowledge that he gained from the Mastermind Group enabled them to achieve the level of success they have

The $35k is an investment in a Lloydway business that's meant to be recouped through that business, and outside of what the school makes. The school's success covering the cost of a separate investment is irrelevant, since the investment is separate from the school.

 

[Jdonw]

if Nakapan's claim to have around 400 students on their books are correct... he would be making enough profit to cover the $35,000 costs... His own former General Manger is claiming that the knowledge that he gained from the Mastermind Group enabled them to achieve the level of success they have

The former GM is also a current member of lloyd's gym, and attempting to position himself with LI for the purpose of marketing and real estate. If people are going to try to discredit Nakapan based on the idea that he could have another angle, you can clearly see the angle that the GM is playing. So don't act like the GM is doing that to create a well informed public.

 

[j0ch1n]

And right on time, look what Lloyd posted:

<Former Beta Academy Manager Speaks Out>

I want to applaud Alexander 'Omega Red' Khojainov for having the courage to stand up against his former boss Nakapan Phungephorn. It took a lot of bravery to come out and stand up against the bullying and hostile work environment, despite having the looming legal threat of a non-disclosure agreement and even the threat of physical violence. It is good to see there is still honorable people in the martial arts who are willing to take a stand against liars and bullies. Listen to what he had to say:

"As someone who worked at BETA for 2 years and did all the hiring, firing, sales staff and front desk management, phone script and sales system enforcement, chasing homeless people out of the school and scrubbing the mats when the underpaid cleaners didn't show up&#8230;all I can say is TLI BABY!

The ENTIRE 'front-end' is designed according to and operates 100% based on what BETA got out of Master Lloyd's MMA Mastermind group.

By no means was it all bad, and I got a lot of experience in operating the back end of a business, and I got a lot of perks and 'if-come' potential as long as I kept my head down and my mouth shut. Can't say much cause of the NDA I signed with Nakapan, but I fucked a lot of people out of their money to get Nak that BMW.

Lasting impression of his school? The day I quit with Nakapan screaming at me that "we are not equals" and that he's "a world champion and will beat the shit out of me if I didn't show more respect to his wife."

Alexander 'Omega Red' Khojainov

C'MON SON!

Looks like his play for power worked. Also interesting how Lloyd complains about disloyalty from Nakapan but applauds Alex nearly violating a NDA.

 

[lechien]

Alex is just a young adult, easy manipulated. spending his money in real estate seminar.

future medal chaser getting his patch.

 

[Junior Skilo]

The $35k is an investment in a Lloydway business that's meant to be recouped through that business, and outside of what the school makes. The school's success covering the cost of a separate investment is irrelevant, since the investment is separate from the school.

Not according to Nakapan

This

"For this "prestigious position" I agreed to pay Lloyd Irvin more than $35,000 a year for "business coaching advice" and, in exchange, I was granted the privilege of selling information products to his followers"

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This

The ENTIRE 'front-end' is designed according to and operates 100% based on what BETA got out of Master Lloyd's MMA Mastermind group.

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His claim to have over 400 students which is backed up the amount of classes in his schedule makes the $35k look like a sound investment... Especially if he really did turnover $1 million

 

[deadlizard]

LI is a douche, that much we can all agree on.

For all of you that think Nakapan is a saint, you're just as dumb as the medal chasers.

This is a lesson for all of us in business. When you want to out someone in public, make sure you're squeeky clean. Or don't say anything at all. Just walk away and be done with it.

In the end, the reputation for Beta and TLI will both suffer. Gyms like 50/50 or gyms in the same area will prosper from this.

 

[anaconda]

The original claim that started this tangent was a claim that he was promoting his rape prevention seminars as a "cash grab", sir. Except that they're free and TLI has done them for years. Which led to people to ridiclously claim that it's a "cash grab" because seminar attendees might decide to sign up for regular classes.

That subsequently led to the claim that the redirect of the lloydirvinrape.com URL was also a "cash grab". Except that it redirected to a site for a free DVD. Now you guys want to cry about a shipping charge and spam emails? Now that's the "cash grab"?

If you're doing a cash grab, you don't do it with free seminars, spam emails, and DVDs where you pay nothing but a small fee for shipping. In fact, if you were trying to exploit women's self-defense as a way to make money, it would probably look a little more like this.

I never said it was a cash grab. I did say that it wasn't free, and in the big picture lloyd does not seem to have any selfless motives. It is all motivated by money.

 

[AcesUp22]

LI is a douche, that much we can all agree on.

For all of you that think Nakapan is a saint, you're just as dumb as the medal chasers.

This is a lesson for all of us in business. When you want to out someone in public, make sure you're squeeky clean. Or don't say anything at all. Just walk away and be done with it.

In the end, the reputation for Beta and TLI will both suffer. Gyms like 50/50 or gyms in the same area will prosper from this.

The difference in Nakapan admits his mistakes and falls on his sword while Lloyd continues to be a Grade A douche. I agree with you that walking away saying not a word could have been the best business decision. Nakapan felt it was not the best moral decision, so he decided to speak out. Less people will be scammed in the future because of the information Nak decimated.

 

[Balto]

if Nakapan's claim to have around 400 students on their books are correct... he would be making enough profit to cover the $35,000 costs... His own former General Manger is claiming that the knowledge that he gained from the Mastermind Group enabled them to achieve the level of success they have

He definitely has that many students and surely makes a nice profit. He runs a very successful gym.

I'm just saying that I really don't believe the Mastermind coaching advice did all that much for it. I've talked with a couple different guys who went to the Lloyd business seminars (not sure if they were Mastermind level, but at least the entry level seminars) and the advice that they raved about from Lloyd just made me chuckle. I mean yeah it was generally correct on the whole, but it was also very obvious business stuff that is available a lot of other places for basically free.

I usually ended by telling them if they had just given me a call and talked for a while they could have saved the $600 or whatever the seminar cost. I was a staff instructor for a big commercial Karate school as my high school job, and I got trained on all this stuff. I have yet to hear one good idea from Lloyd that I did not already know about and in fact implement at that school. I have heard a few questionable ones (like not posting schedules), and when I point out the potential flaws people are just incredulous that I would question Lloyd since he is so rich with all of his $20 bills fanned out.

There's just no way Lloyd's stuff works without a ton of work from the owner to adapt it and implement it. It is a small percentage of the success. There is no way that paying Lloyd $35K a year for his dated 5+ year old SEO advice and Angelfire website templates could ever be a smart investment.