BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[KGB256]

Of course he did them before. That was part of the master plan.

1. Get team LI associated with Rape Prevention

2. Create Rape prevention niche' market by having student go out and rape. (only they got caught the first time, dumb dumbs)

3. Get scared women to come to rape prevention seminar.

4. Sign women up for cla$$e$.

You left out the part where he assassinated JFK.

 

[lechien]

Really? Not according to court documents.
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next reply from Devnull will be:

"have you read or seen the court documents to make such claims"?

 

[KJGould]

Except that he had been doing these prior to the NYE incident as well. Are you suggesting he should have stopped doing them because of that incident, because it might make him look like he's trying to do something to help?

Yes, actually. He certainly shouldn't have uploaded youtube testimonial videos for his anti rape seminars the day news of Schultz and Maldonado broke. He shouldn't have registered the website lloydirivinrape.com when news resurfaced about his past, and so on and so forth.

Does he disclose the Schultz and Maldonado situation in any way, shape or form at his new seminars? How do you think women would respond if they found out from someone outside of Team Lloyd Irvin? How about finding out Irvin himself was charged with Gang Rape?

For as potentially positive as free anti-rape seminars are -- aside from the dangers of giving women a false sense of security from just a couple of hours of training --, Irvin is not the one to do them ever since this whole situation came to light over a month ago.

 

[Eric O]

You left out the part where he assassinated JFK.

Breaking news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've admitted guilt. Free Oswald, oh wait, he's dead.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

You're right, a martial arts instructor acquitted of rape over 20 years ago doing absolutely nothing to help women protect themselves from rape is in much better taste.

He was not found "not guilty". He only stayed out of the gray bar hotel was because a lesser charge was not available. The jury was looking for a way to convict him and put him in jail. A very important distinction that LI fan folk overlook in their haze of moral relativism.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

next reply from Devnull will be:

"have you read or seen the court documents to make such claims"?

Being an old guy, not able to train as much anymore, as the young'uns are able; my answer would be yes. Then a bump off a bottle of Geritol.

 

[Eric O]

He was not found "not guilty". He only stayed out of the gray bar hotel was because a lesser charge was not available. The jury was looking for a way to convict him and put him in jail. A very important distinction that LI fan folk overlook in their haze of moral relativism.

I've hung out with a lot of shady people in my day, criminals on all different levels and none of them and I mean none of them would get involved with rape or gang rape WTF?

If his social group got caught gang raping than I wonder what else they were doing.

I mean drug dealers, theifs, bank robbers etc all look down upon rapists.

 

[anaconda]

It was a redirect to this page for a free DVD: http://ladieskickbutt.com/

There's that pesky word "free" again. Some cash grab.

Oh yeah. The "free" dvd that you have to pay $6.95 shipping? That puts you on one of his many email lists, which will spam you with more and more offers?

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

I've hung out with a lot of shady people in my day, criminals on all different levels and none of them and I mean none of them would get involved with rape or gang rape WTF?

If his social group got caught gang raping than I wonder what else they were doing.

I mean drug dealers, theifs, bank robbers etc all look down upon rapists.

I wish I could have said it like you just did.

I'm with you. And I'm an Army Infantry combat vet! Some of the guys I know are FAR more intense than LI and his ilk; yet not a one of them would do this. They would however, tear apart people who would.

How do you have one friend that not only finds it okay to rape someone, but how do you have an entire group of people that find it okay to rape a woman? How does that happen??

 

[lechien]

Being an old guy, not able to train as much anymore, as the young'uns are able; my answer would be yes. Then a bump off a bottle of Geritol.

You have read the court documents!

 

[LLoydIrvinED]

You have read the court documents!

The Devnull account must be on a shift change right now.

 

[ElKarlo]

so Lloyd's defense is just to fling shit at his detractors

doesn't make him look any better.

seriously, it just doesn't get any more damning than this: http://therealplayerlifestyle.com

mind is blown that people accept this as normal and ok

Everything that he has been doing of late screams CHILD. Guy really has some serious issues.

 

[lechien]

The Devnull account must be on a shift change right now.

Internet Marketing Billionaire Boys Club Mastermind Meeting in Maryland.

Devnull will jump right back in this thread after his meeting.

 

[KGB256]

Yes, actually. He certainly shouldn't have uploaded youtube testimonial videos for his anti rape seminars the day news of Schultz and Maldonado broke. He shouldn't have registered the website lloydirivinrape.com when news resurfaced about his past, and so on and so forth.

He had literally met with the NYE victim that morning. I don't have a problem with him responding to a terrible incident that wasn't his fault by promoting a free seminar.

He explained the URL thing mainly being about keeping detractors from taking it and that would look a lot like this. He also removed the redirect due to public backlash and apologized for it.

Does he disclose the Schultz and Maldonado situation in any way, shape or form at his new seminars? How do you think women would respond if they found out from someone outside of Team Lloyd Irvin? How about finding out Irvin himself was charged with Gang Rape?

Given that I am neither a woman nor an attendee of these seminars, I couldn't begin to answer the first question. As to the other questions, it's been in the news locally and any search for "lloyd irvin rape" is going to produce news about the NYE and 1989 case. Suffice it to say that even if they don't reveal any of this history in the seminars, anybody who can't find info on it simply isn't looking.

For as potentially positive as free anti-rape seminars are -- aside from the dangers of giving women a false sense of security from just a couple of hours of training --, Irvin is not the one to do them ever since this whole situation came to light over a month ago.

The "false sense of security" bit really comes down to someone anyone mistaking anything self-defense related for a guarantee of safety. I mean cmon, even guys who train regularly in multiple martial arts are susceptible to that. But if they can apply something they've learned to protect themselves, that's a win. Nothing is 100% effective.

But setting that issue aside (because it's a whole other debate in its own right), I don't really see how Irvin is any less qualified to do these seminars now than he was in December. You can argue it's in poor taste that he host these, but I think the positives greatly outweight that. As I said before, given his past, I think it'd be in much worse taste if he did nothing to help women protect themselves. At least he's trying to help.

And yes, if it gives him or his school a better image, that's an ancillary benefit. Lots of things we do every day give us ancillary benefits. For example, one of my best friends met his wife at work, that doesn't mean he took the job in order to meet women.

 

[Eric O]

He had literally met with the NYE victim that morning. I don't have a problem with him responding to a terrible incident that wasn't his fault by promoting a free seminar.

He explained the URL thing mainly being about keeping detractors from taking it and that would look a lot like this. He also removed the redirect due to public backlash and apologized for it.



Given that I am neither a woman nor an attendee of these seminars, I couldn't begin to answer the first question. As to the other questions, it's been in the news locally and any search for "lloyd irvin rape" is going to produce news about the NYE and 1989 case. Suffice it to say that even if they don't reveal any of this history in the seminars, anybody who can't find info on it simply isn't looking.



The "false sense of security" bit really comes down to someone anyone mistaking anything self-defense related for a guarantee of safety. I mean cmon, even guys who train regularly in multiple martial arts are susceptible to that. But if they can apply something they've learned to protect themselves, that's a win. Nothing is 100% effective.

But setting that issue aside (because it's a whole other debate in its own right), I don't really see how Irvin is any less qualified to do these seminars now than he was in December. You can argue it's in poor taste that he host these, but I think the positives greatly outweight that. As I said before, given his past, I think it'd be in much worse taste if he did nothing to help women protect themselves. At least he's trying to help.

And yes, if it gives him or his school a better image, that's an ancillary benefit. Lots of things we do every day give us ancillary benefits. For example, one of my best friends met his wife at work, that doesn't mean he took the job in order to meet women.

Do you mop the mats too bro or do you just get to train for free?

 

[KGB256]

He was not found "not guilty". He only stayed out of the gray bar hotel was because a lesser charge was not available. The jury was looking for a way to convict him and put him in jail. A very important distinction that LI fan folk overlook in their haze of moral relativism.

Are you really busting my chops for referring to the verdict as an acquittal? That is a 100% accurate term, sir. I have not claimed he was innocent nor have I claimed that he did nothing wrong. He did do something wrong, and for whatever reason he was not convicted.

Quite frankly, I think this gives him a moral obligation to do something to help women avoid this heinous crime, rather than simply doing nothing.

 

[ElKarlo]

Sorry, sorry sorry...
My first post, but after reading this thread, I had to register and throw my .02 in. It's worth what it costs.

I've trained BJJ since 95, one of the first 500 member at the Underground, blah blah blah. I've been around the martial arts for over 30 years. But more importantly, I've been in business, successfully for a few years. Myself and four partners built our last business to 46 employee's in the space of 3 years. And it was a data center business, which means we hosted web sites by characters like LI all the time. And we also had to work with law enforcement because of guys like LI.

So I fail utterly, to see how some of the people upholding LI are able to do so from a business or moral stand point.

The business side:
LI's business model follows every bad tenet of scam marketing. You can inject emotion and call it whatever you want, it is a MLM scam. The 3%, 97% thing is ironic because it is really only the 3% that get a benefit from the pyramid on which they sit on top of.

The shocking thing is to see how many talented people have fallen for this. What's just as bad is that these talented people think that they're actually a part of something that they believe to be original. LI's tactics are cut outs and templates, put out on sheer volume. And it is on that sheer volume that a few people make money. His little club completely lacks in ANY business and professional sophistication. It's ghetto marketing, that's it. It became laughable once I made the mistake of buying Lovato's system. While he's an amazing BJJ guy, and I love the material in his system; the amateur crap marketing fire hose that started filling up my inbox became epic. Every latest and greatest system in the world was being presented to me daily. Sadly, while the guys who wrote the programs are talented BJJ guys, they look like clowns using LI's template marketing plan.

There isn't a damn thing that LI teaches in his seminars that sound business experience won't teach. The only difference is that some believe that since LI is an amazing BJJ guy, he must have the key to nirvana. And he does, but for himself.

The sick part of this equation is the moral relativism that some people have towards this guy because he's good at BJJ. LI tried to rape a woman but got off (no pun) on a technicality. The jury was not presented with a lesser charge that covered his inability to get a hard on. He tried, failed; his friends went to prison. He was a predator then, provably so; and he's a predator now.

Devnull, you cannot make a solid business case for LI's approach. The math does not work, period. Ponzi math is temporary math that falls apart under its own weight.

/end new guy, old guy rant.

Thank you, and well written.

I think how people like Nak and others fell for this, was that LI was their coach and mentor. Esp if it was done slowly, and perhaps with them not losing a great deal of money at first, and when they finally realize it, they have been Ben Franklin Syndromed into not being able to get out.

 

[Eric O]

Are you really busting my chops for referring to the verdict as an acquittal? That is a 100% accurate term, sir. I have not claimed he was innocent nor have I claimed that he did nothing wrong. He did do something wrong, and for whatever reason he was not convicted.

Quite frankly, I think this gives him a moral obligation to do something to help women avoid this heinous crime, rather than simply doing nothing.

He does have first hand experience so why not!!

 

[Junior Skilo]

posted this in the other thread but ima post it here to:

Nak's letter apologises for towing the company line, of which is demonstrated in Lloyd's video, and so proves nothing.

If that is this case, why is his school sucsessful?

From the site you publish your articles on:

"Again, Beta is one of the largest TLI affiliates so this is a big move"


So Beta Academy is one of the largest Martial Arts schools in the DC area... + they charge the extortionate Lloyld irvin fees... but he aint making money??? C'mon Son!!!


Have you seen how many classes they run a day?:

https://clients.mindbodyonline.com/ASP/home.asp?studioid=33559


Former Beta Academy worker speaks up on Lloyd Irvin's page:

Alexander 'Omega Red' Khojainov: "As someone who worked at BETA for 2 years and did all the hiring, firing, sales staff and front desk management, phone script and sales system enforcement, chasing homeless people out of the school and scrubbing the mats when the underpaid cleaners didn't show up

 

[KGB256]

Oh yeah. The "free" dvd that you have to pay $6.95 shipping? That puts you on one of his many email lists, which will spam you with more and more offers?

So the big "cash grab" was to bilk women for shipping charges?

And as annoying as his emails are, that's what spam filters are for. Nobody is under any obligation to buy anything.