BETA Academy owner explains ending relationship with Lloyd Irvin

[Eric O]

It is like that Oprah message when she tell people that if you want to become succesfull, you have to surround yourselves with sucessfull people.

Basically, you just keep anyone poorer than you out of your life and only socialise with someone that at least as rich or richer than you.

You just become a parasite, a user that leach on rich people BUT the way she explains it make you look like a rose and the rest of the poorer people are just haters and losers.

I hate Oprah with a passion but there is some merrit to what she is talking about. Hanging out with your buddies drinking beers at the local bar 3 nights a week and spending 10+ hours a week watching sports isn't exactly going to make you successful. I realized that at an early age.

Hanging out with successful people will give you more opportunities than hanging out with unsucessful people.

 

[Bojovnik Slav]

Wrong on all counts sir. But continue with your smearing of false information. You were not there.

Is that the word of the week over at camp L.I., smear? I happen to be correct in what I said, it's you who are running a smear campaign against anyone who speaks out against that lowlife L.I.. You weren't there when your dad impregnated your mother, you just take your mother's word that that guy is your dad.

 

[KJGould]

he was found not guilty on a technicality, the jury wanted to convict him but couldn't technically do it

Derrick C. Evans, a man that was part of the gang rape, but never penetrated the victim, was convicted of attempted rape and sentenced to 5 years, a year after Irvin was acquitted. In his testimony, he said he sat at the foot of the bed and listened to Irvin and Gatling have sex with the victim. He identifies them by name. His testimony is enough to indict Irvin, had Irvin not already been acquitted.

Lloyd Irvin got away with it.

 

[anaconda]

Almost every gym in the country offers freebies that get people in the door in the hopes of signing them up. Bashing Lloyd Irvin for holding free rape prevention seminars is ridiculous, particularly given that there is a growing number of valid things to bash him over.

The seminar was free, but the site was not just advertising his seminar. It was advertising a full class and dvd, women's self-defense, etc IIRC. Using Nyjah Easton.

 

[KGB256]

Does Lloyd then warn them they'll still get raped if the men have a higher belt colour than they do?

You mean does a martial arts instructor tell his students that their training will likely be useless against someone that knows more than they do?

I don't know, mine doesn't. Does yours?

 

[Eric O]

You mean does a martial arts instructor tell his students that their training will likely be useless against someone that knows more than they do?

I don't know, mine doesn't. Does yours?

Unless they're black belts in BJJ, I'm not really worried.

 

[ozyabbas]

To Devnull

What would LI have to do for you not to support him. At what exact point would you withdraw your support.

 

[KGB256]

The seminar was free, but the site was not just advertising his seminar. It was advertising a full class and dvd, women's self-defense, etc IIRC. Using Nyjah Easton.

It was a redirect to this page for a free DVD: http://ladieskickbutt.com/

There's that pesky word "free" again. Some cash grab.

 

[KJGould]

You mean does a martial arts instructor tell his students that their training will likely be useless against someone that knows more than they do?

I don't know, mine doesn't. Does yours?

Not only knows more than they do ... but are at the gym they train at.

That's the issue. Irvin is the one to do this when two of his students are charged with raping another one of his. This isn't a BJJ community response, an offer to help women with a free seminar. This is a Lloyd Irvin response to manipulate his gym's reputation when it's falling into scrutiny.

 

[lechien]

I hate Oprah with a passion but there is some merrit to what she is talking about. Hanging out with your buddies drinking beers at the local bar 3 nights a week and spending 10+ hours a week watching sports isn't exactly going to make you successful. I realized that at an early age.

Hanging out with successful people will give you more opportunities than hanging out with unsucessful people.

But in reality it translates into become a leach of someone richer than you, do not interact with someone poorer.

etc...it has massive ramifications into how you act in your family, society and perceive others.

dont forget to send your donations to Lechien Cult (no haters allowed).

 

[Eric O]

To Devnull

What would LI have to do for you not to support him. At what exact point would you withdraw your support.

You realize that Devnull is LI right??? No one else would ever care that much about someone (maybe if they were romantically involved but I won't go there in a BJJ forum).

 

[LLoydIrvinED]

You realize that Devnull is LI right??? No one else would ever care that much about someone (maybe if they were romantically involved but I won't go there in a BJJ forum).

This is why he won't respond to me. My username reminds him of the erectile dysfunction that guides his destiny.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

Sorry, sorry sorry...
My first post, but after reading this thread, I had to register and throw my .02 in. It's worth what it costs.

I've trained BJJ since 95, one of the first 500 member at the Underground, blah blah blah. I've been around the martial arts for over 30 years. But more importantly, I've been in business, successfully for a few years. Myself and four partners built our last business to 46 employee's in the space of 3 years. And it was a data center business, which means we hosted web sites by characters like LI all the time. And we also had to work with law enforcement because of guys like LI.

So I fail utterly, to see how some of the people upholding LI are able to do so from a business or moral stand point.

The business side:
LI's business model follows every bad tenet of scam marketing. You can inject emotion and call it whatever you want, it is a MLM scam. The 3%, 97% thing is ironic because it is really only the 3% that get a benefit from the pyramid on which they sit on top of.

The shocking thing is to see how many talented people have fallen for this. What's just as bad is that these talented people think that they're actually a part of something that they believe to be original. LI's tactics are cut outs and templates, put out on sheer volume. And it is on that sheer volume that a few people make money. His little club completely lacks in ANY business and professional sophistication. It's ghetto marketing, that's it. It became laughable once I made the mistake of buying Lovato's system. While he's an amazing BJJ guy, and I love the material in his system; the amateur crap marketing fire hose that started filling up my inbox became epic. Every latest and greatest system in the world was being presented to me daily. Sadly, while the guys who wrote the programs are talented BJJ guys, they look like clowns using LI's template marketing plan.

There isn't a damn thing that LI teaches in his seminars that sound business experience won't teach. The only difference is that some believe that since LI is an amazing BJJ guy, he must have the key to nirvana. And he does, but for himself.

The sick part of this equation is the moral relativism that some people have towards this guy because he's good at BJJ. LI tried to rape a woman but got off (no pun) on a technicality. The jury was not presented with a lesser charge that covered his inability to get a hard on. He tried, failed; his friends went to prison. He was a predator then, provably so; and he's a predator now.

Devnull, you cannot make a solid business case for LI's approach. The math does not work, period. Ponzi math is temporary math that falls apart under its own weight.

/end new guy, old guy rant.

 

[Eric O]

But in reality it translates into become a leach of someone richer than you, do not interact with someone poorer.

etc...it has massive ramifications into how you act in your family, society and perceive others.

dont forget to send your donations to Lechien Cult (no haters allowed).

I guess it depends. I'm probably looking at it in a different context.

 

[KGB256]

Not only knows more than they do ... but are at the gym they train at.

That's the issue. Irvin is the one to do this when two of his students are charged with raping another one of his. This isn't a BJJ community response, an offer to help women with a free seminar. This is a Lloyd Irvin response to manipulate his gym's reputation when it's falling into scrutiny.

Except that he had been doing these prior to the NYE incident as well. Are you suggesting he should have stopped doing them because of that incident, because it might make him look like he's trying to do something to help?

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

so Lloyd's defense is just to fling shit at his detractors

doesn't make him look any better.

seriously, it just doesn't get any more damning than this: http://therealplayerlifestyle.com

mind is blown that people accept this as normal and ok

Spot on.
The problem is that so many people want to be a "player", but they do not want to do the work that comes with earning your spot at the players table.

In my previous post, I mentioned being a business owner. I get a lot of resume's from recent college grads. And the inability to communicate is staggering. I get many emails with resume attached that simply read: (and I quote. This is a copy/paste)
"My resume is attached. I recently graduated from XXXX, I would like to work for your company.

Let me know,
Name

I responded to this person politely, asked why he thought he should be given an opportunity; and I was treated to a barrage of verbiage about him being educated and worth every dime of a salary of a nearly six figure salary. I asked him about hard work, work ethic, etc. And the response was that I'd have to hire him to see what that looks like.

Point is, there is an entire segment of our population that does not believe that it must work for what it wants. They're looking for the easy way. They're looking for that magic key that opens all doors.

The people who are falling prey to LI's MLM scam's are these people.

 

[Eric O]

Except that he had been doing these prior to the NYE incident as well. Are you suggesting he should have stopped doing them because of that incident, because it might make him look like he's trying to do something to help?

Of course he did them before. That was part of the master plan.

1. Get team LI associated with Rape Prevention

2. Create Rape prevention niche' market by having student go out and rape. (only they got caught the first time, dumb dumbs)

3. Get scared women to come to rape prevention seminar.

4. Sign women up for cla$$e$.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

You all are a bunch of drama queens.

Forget this shit if your not affiliated with Lloyd and move on. Let the universe have its way.

Why are people "drama queens" for questioning the business practices of someone who is obviously, objectively corrupt?

Furthermore, why is it wrong to show concern for someone that drags the character or our entire BJJ scene to a lower, more guttural level?

You're calling people names who are asking for a higher standard? Why?

By telling people to move on, you enable the garbage type behavior that LI brings. It is also a function of the market place. You want the universe to have it's way? Well, you're seeing it in action. People are calling out this parasitic predator.

 

[OldGuyBjjATL]

You were not there, you have no idea what your talking about, just one side of the story. He said it was not a gang rape, he said she said, coleslaw said who was not even there. Same ole sob story using a non-sourced third party.

Really? Not according to court documents.
The only reason LI stayed out of prison with his mates, is because he couldn't get it up. He tried, but failed. But he participated in an act that saw a human being desicrated in the worst way possible.

Since there was no lesser charge available to the jury, despite the jury requesting it, because they believed him guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt; he walked away. He cohorts were convicted. So what you expect everyone to believe is that he was the only guy there, with his swagger dagger out, that was not guilty? That's not even rational.

 

[lechien]

You realize that Devnull is LI right??? No one else would ever care that much about someone (maybe if they were romantically involved but I won't go there in a BJJ forum).

I agree.