best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[frye666]

Are you retarded? That match was a shoot.

 

[robbie]

AND both these men beat the MUCH MORE ELITE wrestler Dan Cormier

if wrestling was the best base for MMA the best wrestler would usually win

Nope, it wasn't a wrestling match. All three have wrestling bases. All three have worn belts in MMA at the UFC and Cormier in Strikeforce as well. Cormier and Stipe split their fights and Cormier was clearly the better wrestler but its mixed martial arts and lots of things come into play.

 

[-guerilla-]

Are you retarded? That match was a shoot.

Do you mean a "work" ???

That man is THE MOST FEARED wrestler on the planet and I could KO him

Thats because ALL hes good at is wrestling

When you focus on one grappling sport you wont be as good at MMA as you could have been had you trained MMA EXCLUSIVELY

the million dollar question is where are the MMA GYMS??

as popular as the sport is there should be one in every town

 

[-guerilla-]

Nope, it wasn't a wrestling match. All three have wrestling bases. All three have worn belts in MMA at the UFC and Cormier in Strikeforce as well. Cormier and Stipe split their fights and Cormier was clearly the better wrestler but its mixed martial arts and lots of things come into play.

Cormier is 10× the wrestler JJ and Stipe are...why didnt he just take em down and hold them there for the win?

Also DC has a 100% loss rate against Alireza Hedari in wrestling so Hedari DOMINATES DC in wrestling

Would he dominate DC in MMA

NOPE

Your wrestling skill does not necessarily = your MMA skill

Different sports

 

[robbie]

Cormier is 10× the wrestler JJ and Stipe are...why didnt he just take em down and hold them there for the win?

Also DC has a 100% loss rate against Alireza Hedari in wrestling so Hedari DOMINATES DC in wrestling

Would he dominate DC in MMA

NOPE

Your wrestling skill does not necessarily = your MMA skill

Different sports

You simply fail to grasp the obvious. So long...

 

[-guerilla-]

You simply fail to grasp the obvious. So long...

Wrestling is not the best base for MMA

MMA IS ACTUALLY its own sport

Thats like saying if you want to get good at football you have to play rugby and ultimate frisbee first once you get good at those other sports you can glue them together and become a football player

NOPE

You just practice football from the start and nothing but football and then you get the best you can get at football the problem is we don't have but a few MMA gyms in America

most Americans only opportunity to train in MMA is to train at a Brazilian jiu-jitsu gym a muaythai gym and wrestle in school... then they glue them all together and create a Frankensteins monster MMA style

No wonder Americans are falling behind in MMA we don't have any MMA gyms

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/are-americans-falling-behind-in-mma.3894589/

 

[Regal Boy]

Appears that you did not saw Karelin in his prime and his muscles too.
He was enough strong to be able lift his own weight in ~ 1 second from floor till extended straight arms ower head and hold it straight.

And he wouldn't be able to take mikes shovel hook to the body, and he wouldn't be able to hold mike off him before mike hit him.
I've seen videos of Karelin in his prime. He would be impotent against Mike Tyson with 6 months of wrestling.

 

[robbie]

Wrestling is not the best base for MMA

MMA IS ACTUALLY its own sport

Thats like saying if you want to get good at football you have to play rugby and ultimate frisbee first once you get good at those other sports you can glue them together and become a football player

NOPE

You just practice football from the start and nothing but football and then you get the best you can get at football the problem is we don't have but a few MMA gyms in America

most Americans only opportunity to train in MMA is to train at a Brazilian jiu-jitsu gym a muaythai gym and wrestle in school... then they glue them all together and create a Frankensteins monster MMA style

No wonder Americans are falling behind in MMA we don't have any MMA gyms

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/are-americans-falling-behind-in-mma.3894589/

And you wonder why people use the R Word in reference to you. No kidding MMA is a separate sport. There are MMA gyms / schools out there and people can train MMA without first being a wrestler, boxer, BJJ, judo or kick boxer practitioner first. But those sports translate very well with MMA.

 

[stipeszn]

Do you mean a "work" ???

That man is THE MOST FEARED wrestler on the planet and I could KO him

Thats because ALL hes good at is wrestling

When you focus on one grappling sport you wont be as good at MMA as you could have been had you trained MMA EXCLUSIVELY

the million dollar question is where are the MMA GYMS??

as popular as the sport is there should be one in every town

You would never ko him you internet fraud

 

[ShreddinMMA]

MMA noobs have been saying this for years.

Still hasn't happened.

Wrestling is the most consistent high-level MMA base.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Y'all are wasting your time arguing with this . Dude is delusional as fuck.

 

[-guerilla-]

Americans think wrestling is the best base for MMA because that's all they have available in this country thats a government funded combat sport allowing everybody equal access to its skill set

So since wrestling is the only publicly available combat sport in America naturally our best fighters are going to be wrestlers

The best fighters in Asia and europe aren't all "wrestlers"

if we had combat Sambo, pankratIon and shooto in the public school system no one would even know what wrestling was in MMA because those styles would dominate

Wrestling is not the best base for MMA, its the only publicly funded combat sport in America

Its a confusing concept

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[-guerilla-]

You would never ko him you internet fraud

ANYBODY (even u) could KO Alexander karelin...he is terrible at MMA

Its clear he has never trained in striking whatsoever as you can clearly see from this horribly pitiful video

(Perhaps not YOU) but anybody who could throw a punch in a MMA contest could ice him inside of 3 min unless he got hold of you but he's not used to trying to get hold of people who are striking... just wrestling

they are very different sports

 

[stipeszn]

ANYBODY (even u) could KO Alexander karelin...he is terrible at MMA

Its clear he has never trained in striking whatsoever as you can clearly see from this horribly pitiful video

(Perhaps not YOU) but anybody who could throw a punch in a MMA contest could ice him inside of 3 min unless he got hold of you but he's not used to trying to get hold of people who are striking... just wrestling

they are very different sports

He would take you down and beat you into a pulp. You're not an elite MMA fighter regardless of your delusions, he would end you.

 

[eternaldarkness]

Do you mean a "work" ???

That man is THE MOST FEARED wrestler on the planet and I could KO him

Thats because ALL hes good at is wrestling

When you focus on one grappling sport you wont be as good at MMA as you could have been had you trained MMA EXCLUSIVELY

the million dollar question is where are the MMA GYMS??

as popular as the sport is there should be one in every town

Do you really believe you could Ko Karelin? Just wondering what you weigh? Because I can tell you from experience, it's hard to knock someone out with a considerable size advantage, and I'm a dangerous puncher in my weight class.

 

[Regal Boy]

The greatest wrestler that you could design within the laws of physics and human anatomy would lose the majority of fights against the greatest heaving hitting striking designed human that you could design.

By this I mean you give them both equal training in MMA and make them the same weight.

 

[Regal Boy]

Do you really believe you could Ko Karelin? Just wondering what you weigh? Because I can tell you from experience, it's hard to knock someone out with a considerable size advantage, and I'm a dangerous puncher in my weight class.

Any natural hard hitting heavy weight has enough power to KO Karelin with one shot.

 

[-guerilla-]

Alexander Karelin was the greatest wrestler in the modern era yet he couldent crack an egg in MMA because wrestling does NOT=MMA

the most successful MMA fighters are good wrestlers AND good strikers

NOT THE BEST WRESTLERS in the world

(They are dedicated to wrestling)

Just like Floyed Mayweather would get destroyed in MMA so would GSP get beat in boxing and certainly Dan Gable would lose in MuayThai

Just cause all we have is wrestling as a public combat sport doesent mean its the best base for MMA

If wrestling was in the strip malls
and Judo was in all of Americas public schools our MMA champs would be from a predominant Judo background

Wrestling is a mediocre martial art

 

[-guerilla-]

Any natural hard hitting heavy weight has enough power to KO Karelin with one shot.

Honestly I think Tweety Bird could KO karelin

that was some of the worst striking skill I've seen in an athlete

I'm going to go to my grave hoping that was a work because that man is a living God to me and it is so crushing to see him in the ring making such a fool of himself in pancrace as it is a very good MMA analog in fact I would suggest pancrase is one of the best Combat Sports ever devised to simulate MMA

 

[-guerilla-]

Do you really believe you could Ko Karelin? Just wondering what you weigh? Because I can tell you from experience, it's hard to knock someone out with a considerable size advantage, and I'm a dangerous puncher in my weight class.

I'm a super heavyweight that's been kickboxing a little bit longer than I've been doing MMA 20+ years experience

I would go through Alexander Karelin in less than 3 minutes

Did you see that video?