best wrestlers (in the world) are gonna get beat in Future UFC/MMA WRESTLING IS NOT BEST MMA BASE

[SandisLL]

MMA money is decent for top guys not for average nobody in lower orgs.

Why, for example some Olympic champ that is offered to coach and sit in local federation with papers too must prefer to do MMA?

Advertisers and ppv?
Dear God, the more talks and scandals, the more wievership.
For example, imagine, what money they might made with Bieber in cage? Tickets price, translation rights fees, LOL.

U.S always lowed stars from outside!
Great Arnie; world's bodybuilding icon forever. True GOAT.
Austrian.
Bruce Lee; guy that still is worshiped by millions in U.S.
From Hong Kong.
JCVD; immigrant from Belgium.

 

[Shaddows]

THATS A CUTE KITTY CAT CARTOON...

Shaddows said:
FInal proof: Most champions are wrestlers

Guerilla said:
UFC 2018
Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Robert Whittaker Dec 7, 2017 0
Israel Adesanya (Interim Champion) Apr 13, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0

Exactly.

Stipe Miocic - NCAA Division I wrestler at Cleveland State,
Jon Jones - a stand-out high school wrestler and state champion at Union-Endicott High School in upstate New York. Also a standout JUCO wrestler who was given a full ride to Iowa State University but started his mma career instead.
Robert Whittaker - won the Australian National Wrestling Championships (gold medal) and the Australian Cup.
Kamaru Usman - NCAA Division II All-American honors all three years he attended UNK and was a two-time national finalist.
Khabib Nurmagomedov - wrestled a bear when he was nine years old... 'nough said
Max Holloway - Only non-wrestler champion in the UFC
Henry Cejudo - Olympic champion in freestyle wrestling in Beijing. Cejudo was also the national HS wrestler of the year in folkstyle---TS has foolishly claimed he wrestled exclusively in freestyle.


if that doesn't prove wrestling is kling, nothing will...

Edit: in Yellow, corrections/additions made by @MartinGibson86 (Thank you!)

 

[MartinGibson86]

Exactly.

Stipe Miocic - NCAA Division I wrestler at Cleveland State,
Jon Jones - a stand-out high school wrestler and state champion at Union-Endicott High School in upstate New York
Robert Whittaker - won the Australian National Wrestling Championships (gold medal) and the Australian Cup.
Kamaru Usman - NCAA Division II All-American honors all three years he attended UNK and was a two-time national finalist.
Khabib Nurmagomedov - wrestled a bear when he was nine years old... 'nough said
Max Holloway - Only non-wrestler champion in the UFC
Henry Cejudo - Olympic champion in freestyle wrestling in Beijing.


if that doesn't prove wrestling is kling, nothing will...

Bones was also a standout JUCO wrestler who was given a full ride to Iowa State University but started his mma career instead.

Cejudo was also the national HS wrestler of the year in folkstyle---TS has foolishly claimed he wrestled exclusively in freestyle.

 

[Shaddows]

Bones was also a standout JUCO wrestler who was given a full ride to Iowa State University but started his mma career instead.

Cejudo was also the national HS wrestler of the year in folkstyle---TS has foolishly claimed he wrestled exclusively in freestyle.

Thank you for the corrections. I will add to my post

 

[-guerilla-]

Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Robert Whittaker Dec 7, 2017 0
Israel Adesanya (Interim Champion) Apr 13, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0

Cejudo is the ONLY man on this list who earned a medal in wrestling yet wrestling fans are eager to claim anybody with any background in wrestling as a wrestler when the win but not when they lose

Dan Cormier is a VERY elite wrestler yet he was beaten by JJ and Stipe (far less accomplished wrestlers)

that's because the best wrestler is going to get beat in future MMA by less accomplished wrestlers that are better at a well rounded game plan...like knees

 

[Erratic]

LMAO, one guy lands a running flying knee and now all of a sudden wrestlers won't do good in MMA. Sorry to break it to you but most of the UFC champions are wrestlers and have had wrestling bases.

Hahaha.. Sherdog gunna' Sherdog. Atleast we can laugh about it

 

[-guerilla-]

if wrestling was the best base for MMA the better wrestler would usually win but that's not the case

MMA is a different sport than wrestling and the days of wrestling dominance in MMA are waning

Dan Cormier and Ben Askern are some of the best wrestlers in the UFC and their recent losses are shaking the fanbois long held fallacies

Henry cejudo is an extremely rare case of an American by nationality who has wrestled freestyle the majority of his career

He is very different than the usual American folkstyle wrestling athlete as freestyle is more suited to MMA than folk Style

literally every single person that steps in the octagon has had some wrestling training but the days where the majority of their background was THE competitive sport of wrestling are coming to an end and the days of the pure MMA athlete are arriving

you will see a major change in the future

just like I predicted the BJJ dominance of years gone by came to an end so to shall the sport of wrestlings dominance as pure MMA athletes slowly but certainly emerge and take over this sport

 

[Marc94]

The sport is evolving

UFC and other American mma promotions are doing everything in their power to advantage the American wrestler because they want "all american champs" so they can sell swag to the fake wrestling NASCAR fanboys [smart business]

Wrestlers have lots of terrible habits that leave them vulnerable to good knee artists and the best submission guys

the most accomplished wrestlers are NEVER gonna be that good in mma and just get "fluffed" up for the slack jawed fanboys

These athletes have spent so many years learning to perfect their "sport grappling" they are ultra specialists

[just like SPORT BJJ guys]

profit minded gym owners push the fallacy that training in 5 different martial arts / sports = the ultimate mix for MMA

The fact IS specialists are getting pushed out of MMA

Wrestlers days are numbered

Just like the BJJ days of yore...lol

wonder when we will actually have MMA training in the USA

NOT

Muay thai + BJJ + wrestling = MMA

there are a lot of wrestlers who are simply holding on the the underbelly of MMA as their sport is slowly absorbed

desperately clinging on to MMA for relavance

the bad news is....

the ride is gonna get tougher!!!

Do you include sambo ?

 

[Marc94]

Because ONE wrestler lost? Lol

How many current champs are wrestlers?

Also need to be a heavy hitter boxing is underrated boxing plus wrestling is OP

 

[Regal Boy]

Wrestling beats striking if the striker can't wrestle. Assuming similar weight if the striker can wrestle defensively then the wrestler can't win as he will eventually be knocked out, regardless of how hard he attempts to use his offensive wrestling to break down the defenses of the striker. Unless he himself can strike, he will be picked apart and knocked out.

Jose aldo, Anderson Silva, Jon Jones, Stipe, Fedor, Holloway, McGregor, and a bunch of other guys I don't need to list off who are considered the GOATs of the divisions are all primarily strikers who use wrestling defensively in order to beat opponents. Note that none of them even have true power they're just really good strikers with precision.

Take a wrestler with natural talent and strength whose been training for 5 years, give him 1 year of striking training and defense.
Take a boxer with natural talent and true punching power whose been training for 5 years, give him 1 year of wrestling training and TDD.
Make them the same weight obviously.

The striker will pummel and brutalize the wrestler, and most likely break his jaw and multiple ribs. The wrestler will be impotent against him.
You can't beat true innate punching power with wrestling. He will break you with his fists. Mike Tyson with 1 year of TDD would brutalize Aleksandr Karelin in a fight, literally break him and his jaw and multiple ribs in a fight and Karelin would be impotent to stop him. You are genuinely a moron if you deny this fact, or you have never experienced true power and don't understand the difference between the genetically gifted punching elite and normal people.

 

[tyrone8934]

as if MMA=brain damage

Fair enough. That was an assumption on my part. My mistake.

Until I find an elite wrestler who states hes afraid of getting beat in MMA looks like you win this round

That's almost correct. You said "The main reason that athletes don't come over to MMA is because they know they're going to get beat". Therefore, you'd have to show MOST wrestlers saying they don't fight in MMA because they're afraid of losing. And that's exactly my point. You tried to back up your position with a claim that's NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to prove. You would've been better off if you never made that claim at all.

 

[migeru29]

Heavyweight Stipe Miocic Aug 17, 2019 0
Light Heavyweight Jon Jones Dec 29, 2018 2
Middleweight Robert Whittaker Dec 7, 2017 0
Israel Adesanya (Interim Champion) Apr 13, 2019 0
Welterweight Kamaru Usman Mar 2, 2019 0
Lightweight Khabib Nurmagomedov Apr 7, 2018 2
Featherweight Max Holloway Jun 3, 2017 3
Bantamweight Henry Cejudo Jun 8, 2019 0

Cejudo is the ONLY man on this list who earned a medal in wrestling yet wrestling fans are eager to claim anybody with any background in wrestling as a wrestler when the win but not when they lose

Dan Cormier is a VERY elite wrestler yet he was beaten by JJ and Stipe (far less accomplished wrestlers)

that's because the best wrestler is going to get beat in future MMA by less accomplished wrestlers that are better at a well rounded game plan...like knees

I was about to answers this but nah.. with all due respect your f* deluded bro

 

[-guerilla-]

Do you include sambo ?

how do you mean?

I believe that all Sport Specialists (kickboxers wrestlers bjjists) will eventually disappear and we will be left with true mma athletes that train in MMA exclusively...not several Combat Sports glued together

The fact is a MMA gym is unprofitable because it's more like a boxing gym than a karate studio so in the modern American world where public facilities are lacking or inaccessible for the martial artists their only opportunity to train is in the for-profit strip-mall world that is always wildly diluted compared to something like the Soviet Bloc Combat Sports infrastructure programs that khabib and company comes from

 

[-guerilla-]

I was about to answers this but nah.. with all due respect your f* deluded bro

You know coming for some random guy on the internet that really hurts man

Cuz all the guys you see on TV r wrasslers

 

[-guerilla-]

Fair enough. That was an assumption on my part. My mistake.



That's almost correct. You said "The main reason that athletes don't come over to MMA is because they know they're going to get beat". Therefore, you'd have to show MOST wrestlers saying they don't fight in MMA because they're afraid of losing. And that's exactly my point. You tried to back up your position with a claim that's NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to prove. You would've been better off if you never made that claim at all.

You have an excellent point I can't prove my theory and therefore I'm better off not bringing it up at all however you've made one mistake....

Unlike a scientist I don't give a damn whether or not the peanut gallery believes my statements

I make them so I can go back and gloat years later just like I did when I told all the guys on the Underground Forum that the Brazilian jiu-jitsu dominance of MMA was going to come to an end at the hands of the American wrestlers

They were all paying $100 an hour to go to seminars wherever a Brazilian was teaching them Judo groundwork

 

[robbie]

It's balancing out more with more strikers based fighter being able to deal with wrestlers, but a big portion of the champs will always be wrestlers. Cormier, Usman, Cejudo, Khabib are all strong wrestlers at the core. It's not just the style, but wrestlers are known to be mentality extremely strong due to the training being so hard compared to other disciplines. Say what you want but wrestling training feels much more terrible than kickbox, bjj, boxing training.

Jon Jones holds the LHW belt and also comes from a wrestling base. Stipe also has a wrestling background but is probably equal with boxing base.

 

[SandisLL]

Mike Tyson with 1 year of TDD would brutalize Aleksandr Karelin in a fight, literally break him and his jaw and multiple ribs in a fight and Karelin would be impotent to stop him.

Appears that you did not saw Karelin in his prime and his muscles too.
He was enough strong to be able lift his own weight in ~ 1 second from floor till extended straight arms ower head and hold it straight.

 

[SandisLL]

He was maybe physically strongest wrestler for this weight they ever had.
Plus I think he didn't considered to do MMA. Why, if such success in wrestling. Good life already warranted.

 

[-guerilla-]

Jon Jones holds the LHW belt and also comes from a wrestling base. Stipe also has a wrestling background but is probably equal with boxing base.

AND both these men beat the MUCH MORE ELITE wrestler Dan Cormier

if wrestling was the best base for MMA the best wrestler would usually win

 

[-guerilla-]