Best Lightweight ever Benson or BJ Penn?

Should accomplishments outside lw help you be the lw goat?

Have to say no. Lw goats do lw stuff.
 
BJ for sure between those two. LW is a crazy division for sure.
 
Conor probably, I read somewhere he holds all the records.
 
Sean Long said:
You are lost.......you cant compare BJ and Bensons records BECAUSE 6 of BJ's losses were to much bigger opponents LIKE MACHIDA and BJ would fight anyone at any weight. You also can be sure he wasnt on roids.......the jury is still out on Benson in that area.
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How do you know BJ wasn't on roids? I think we can say definitively at SOME POINT of his career he was 100% natural, but we can never know if he was natural his entire career.

And BJ fighting in 3-5 different weight classes shouldn't be an excuse for BJ, it should be a testament to how badly his career was managed and how this guy lacked any sort of intangibles. He was all technique and talent. He was a front-runner that lacked toughness, he had poor career management, was undisciplined, etc. The one time he had a great thing going with the Marinovich brothers he dumped them.

with all that said, I think Frankie is a very overrated fighter. BJ was pretty much at the end of his rope by the time they got around to fighting.
 
Frankie never lost the lightweight belt. Frankie also beat prime Aldo. Frankie is a 2 division champ without a physical belt.
 
Iamlegend said:
Frankie never lost the lightweight belt. Frankie also beat prime Aldo. Frankie is a 2 division champ without a physical belt.
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You're worse than the people who say Nurmagomedov is "uncrowned champ".
 
Probably go with Frankie.

Most everyone got beat down at some point in their career.

Even though Frankie got it handed to him and hit one of the few 10-7 rounds against Gray in the rematch, he still came back strong to earn a Draw.

He wasn't just beatdown and lost the fight in his LW career.
 
BJ, and although it is sounds crazy to say because of all he accomplished, I don't think he realized his potential. I think the sport changed, and BJ didn't adjust to the changes, which was evident in his Edgar fights. When talking about the greatest of all time, you have to take into account the different rules,and eras (and the culture of what "winning" a fight meant in that era) that guys fought in. Benson and Edgar would have struggled in the early UFC and in Pride/K-1. Benson and Edgar are underrated these days though, they are all time greats.
 
Frankie Edgar was lucky that
he won his title. In fact, considering
his connections with people from
the emirates, I wouldn't be surprised
if he was a lil extra lucky. BJ finished
the fight to win his title. & He finished
each defense thereafter. Including
being the first to submit Florian
& the first & only to stop Sanchez.
He went up in weight during his
reign to fight the best WW in the
world (btw, only BJ & GSP finished
Sherk, BJ's other defense), in a
rematch in a fight he arguably won.
He was free to move between
brackets because he didn't go to
draws (Maynard). He finished his
challengers each time.

He also blew the brakes off Gomi
during the height of both of their
ascension. Ate hadukens for his
troubles. He's never been dropped
in a fight. From FW-HW.

Frankie isn't the best-anything.
Great fighter though.
 
riitzni said:
Benson > BJ

When Benson went up to fight a much bigger man, he won, he didn't repeatedly get smashed into retirement. Yet anyway.
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You didn't see Benson's fight last week, did you?
 
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