Bernie paying for all his stuff

[Steve-French]

I'll just leave this here for the Bernie fans

you fucking druggie hipster millennial losers

 

[Forkfoot]

bernie's has no chance.. it's hillary by superdelagates..

People are still saying this? Superdelegates going against the voting democrats would guarantee a Republican win in the general elections.

 

[ncordless]

Scary that he considers himself a good person while indirectly blaming me for my own mother dying. I wish I could describe through words how it felt to get a letter saying your mother was approved for a cancer test 2 weeks after she has been diagnosed with terminal cancer.

My mom died of terminal illness too. By your standards, I was a failure too because I was 20 and couldn't afford to get her in to the best back then. I dont blame you and don't consider you a failure. Maybe you should revisit your position considering your own experience.

 

[sloppypie]

Your mom died because she had terminal cancer not because she didn't get a colonoscopy in time. Colonoscopy are used to diagnose not to cure.

i'm no medical expert but isn't it life saving to detect cancer early for more successful treatment? what he is saying is that due to a cumbersome system, she wasn't even able to get tested in a proper time frame.

i don't know disguy86, and he may not be correctly relaying the facts of what happened. but his perspective and experience is that the system is inefficient. my opinion is rather than take a story like his as the fine line to implement such a system, to at least recognize that it is most certainly a potential pitfall of such a system. b/c you also make a valid point about the number of people who are not insured - there's thousands, maybe even millions of people who ignore treatment b/c they cannot afford it. and that's a serious problem.

bernie never really discusses what the quality of the system will look like, only that we are the last western country in the world to do it and that it needs to be done. so truthfully, for me, it leaves a big question mark over what this will look like when the dust settles.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

if you raise the tax or close.the loopholes on the businesses/companies. They just raise the price of the product or the service to make it up. So my cost goes up in the end.

I find it funny the very people who talk about the evil business thinks these businesses are just going to say, "oh shucks,we are losing millions, oh well"...They just raise the cost of the product or service that you and I buy.

 

[ultramanhyata]

It's too bad that compassionate human beings can't see the tragedy of both a missed, potentially life-saving diagnosis due to waiting lists in a rationed care system AND the same missed, potentially life-saving diagnosis due to lack of money in a for-profit system.

Because if you want to talk about numbers of people dying due to preventable and treatable diseases, the US's cull-the-poors healthcare system wins by a landslide when compared to the single-payer systems in all other Western, industrialized nations.

 

[VivaRevolution]

i'm no medical expert but isn't it life saving to detect cancer early for more successful treatment? what he is saying is that due to a cumbersome system, she wasn't even able to get tested in a proper time frame.

i don't know disguy86, and he may not be correctly relaying the facts of what happened. but his perspective and experience is that the system is inefficient. my opinion is rather than take a story like his as the fine line to implement such a system, to at least recognize that it is most certainly a potential pitfall of such a system. b/c you also make a valid point about the number of people who are not insured - there's thousands, maybe even millions of people who ignore treatment b/c they cannot afford it. and that's a serious problem.

bernie never really discusses what the quality of the system will look like, only that we are the last western country in the world to do it and that it needs to be done. so truthfully, for me, it leaves a big question mark over what this will look like when the dust settles.

The fact that he claimed to want to debate socialism, tried to force the debate to be about whether I insulted him, and then disappeared tells me a lot about this poster.

 

[VivaRevolution]

if you raise the tax or close.the loopholes on the businesses/companies. They just raise the price of the product or the service to make it up. So my cost goes up in the end.

I find it funny the very people who talk about the evil business thinks these businesses are just going to say, "oh shucks,we are losing millions, oh well"...They just raise the cost of the product or service that you and I buy.

I don't, but your explanation lacks a lot.

It would pass the cost onto share holders, consumers, and workers.

There are ways to mitigate the costs passed onto consumers in inflation. Specifically inflation is the main reason the FED exists. As a goal the FED creates 3% inflation per year. If wages are creating inflation, than tell the FED not to.

As to passing cost on to workers, you can control this through the supply and demand of labor.

 

[japman40]

People need to look at it from the "which healthcare system is better?" viewpoint not from "single payer universal healthcare isn't perfect therefore i don't want it" viewpoint.

USA is ranked last when it comes to healthcare compared to the other western industrialized nations according to WHO, and the most expensive at 10k per person for healthcare cost.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

Waiting times for doctor visits and elective procedures aren't solely a single payer problem. You got to take infrastructure, logistical, and staffing shortages into account

Patients at the hospital i work with complain all the time about waiting times in ER and urgent care, and about scheduled appointments.

A good portion of the patients would benefit from having insurance and having the opportunity to see their doctors for checkups and get their medical problems under control before they turn into an emergency and end up costing the hospital, county, state thousands of dollars.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

This is where Bernie's 30 year history voting against every free trade bill he has ever seen comes into play.

well considering repealing existing trade initiatives is next to impossible and Bern wont be able to pass laws unilaterally and veto power has only so much scope - ii say, LOL, good luck, Bern.

 

[VivaRevolution]

well considering repealing existing trade initiatives is next to impossible and Bern wont be able to pass laws unilaterally and veto power has only so much scope - ii say, LOL, good luck, Bern.

Doing anything that matters today is next to impossible.

If you are OK with being told we can't change anything that matters, then by all means, sit out this political revolution.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Doing anything that matters today is next to impossible.

If you are OK with being told we can't change anything that matters, then by all means, sit out this political revolution.

i make enough money to object this "revolution"


but i am curious on how A, Bernie is going to model the US after a system best designed for countries who have a population of around 5 million, who are hegemonic, who have abundance of natural resources and the state owns about 40% of industries.

i am also wondering why no one is pushing for him to announce his VP candidate now? as people will realistically be voting for that person considering the good chance that bernie could keel over at any minute and leave his voters holding their hats on an empty street corner.

 

[VivaRevolution]

i make enough money to object this "revolution"

 

[speakhandsforme]

I'll just leave this here for the Bernie fans

you fucking druggie hipster millennial losers

You do realize that the demographic that is most overrepresented in Sanders' support is white people with graduate degrees, yes?

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

i didnt move any goal post, i am just curious how on old man bern plans to realistically execute his fantastical plans. Anyone can say im going to do"this" but he still has to get congress to approve. People who are hoping for revolution may need to look into the fact that he cant unilaterally do anything.

 

[ncordless]

i didnt move any goal post, i am just curious how on old man bern plans to realistically execute his fantastical plans. Anyone can say im going to do"this" but he still has to get congress to approve. People who are hoping for revolution may need to look into the fact that he cant unilaterally do anything.

Broadly, his argument is that dems with the enthusiasm he would create would win wh and senate, and he would create a grass roots activst organisation to compete in mid terms to take house next time.

 

[Kalmyk Fighter]

You do realize that the demographic that is most overrepresented in Sanders' support is white people with graduate degrees, yes?

aka the libtard babies for life segment of society that had their parents take care of them through their late 20s, yes.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Broadly, his argument is that dems with the enthusiasm he would create would win wh and senate, and he would create a grass roots activst organisation to compete in mid terms to take house next time.

thats an extremely broad outlook. Dems are as divided as ever and a significant portion obtain donor money and state economy infinitives from the people Bernie is trying to fleece.

Kln said it best, so far we are just seeing policy to extort the rich but none that will actually foster innovation or industry growth.

 

[Kalmyk Fighter]

Doing anything that matters today is next to impossible.

If you are OK with being told we can't change anything that matters, then by all means, sit out this political revolution.

 

[VivaRevolution]

If a political revolution isn't us all changing ourselves, I just don't know what to say, other than this.......

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate running that doesn't tell you, that you get to sit at home, while your political savoir fixes this country.