BATMAN V SUPERMAN Thread v.12

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Just saw it earlier today. My quick thoughts:

It felt like the movie was being written and built by committee, where every other person in the room had something else they wanted to add to the story and they just couldn't say "no" to any of it. As a result, the story is very busy and most of the primary players aren't given enough time to develop and thrive on screen. With the exception of Batman.

Ben Afleck's casting as Batman didn't worry me as much as other folks (the constant adding of extra characters and plot points stood out more as warning flags for me). In fact, I have to say that the best parts of the movie are written for Batman. Likewise, Gal Gadot did a great job as Wonder Woman. Admittedly she was only given around 15 - 20 minutes to be on screen, so there wasn't a lot to mess up.

The first 90 minutes or so, felt extremely random. As a result, the motivations of both the main characters feel thin at best and extremely ludicrous at worst. You're really going to pin the shooting massacre of an African village on Superman? Batman is really that paranoid of Superman (even though this is the closest to a version of "Bat-God" on the big screen)? You're telling me that two of the most intelligent characters in the DC universe aren't smart enough to take 2 minutes of time to actually talk to each other and find out where they stand before coming to blows?

That's not to say that I wasn't entertained by the movie. In fact, I'm surprised that it ended up still being a okay movie aside all of that. I just can't help that if they had pared the movie down in content and length, they could have focused on the core story line much better and the movie would have ended up moving passed being an "okay" movie and it could have been great. A big part of why The Death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns were such watermark stories is because they had decades of lore and backstory leading up to them. Unfortunately this movie does not have that luxury (in fact it's being used as a cornerstone building block for the DCEU). I believe if this confrontation could have been saved for a later movie, it would have been much more effective.

Final verdict: 7/10 - An average popcorn flick, that could have been great if it could have kept focus.

After thoughts:

*The reveal cameos of the other Justice League members were shoe-horned in and ended up being superfluous.

**Henry Cavill must have been real pissed when he finished reading the final version of this movie's script. I know I would have been if I was in his position.
 
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Batman straight up kills almost everyone he fights. he shoots thugs from his plane. he drags a car load of thugs behind him, making it flip and ram into anything and everything. he shoots people guns. the guy has thrown his core mantra out the window. This isn't the Nolanverse where it is plausible Bats doesn't directly kill anyone (despite in Batman Begins blowing up the League of Shadows home base, containing combatants and caged criminals).

And I loved every minute of it
 
Not to mention branding criminals so that they get murdered in jail.

Do they ever state his reason for branding is so they get murdered in jail? I assumed he did it to remind them not to commit crime or something like that.
 
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For sure he's the most brutal Batman we've ever seen and in this movie he does indeed kill but I think not as much as people think.

He kills those guys with the Batwing but to be fair they were shooting at him with heavy artillery and he doesn't directly shoot them, he shoots the car in front of them and it explodes.

Also the one scene where it looks like he's shooting people top down with a gun in each hand, he's actually triggering the device he threw on their guns, look at the sparks on their guns, thats what knocks them back, he wasn't shooting those guys with bullets.

He uses guns, mostly taken from enemies but I don't remember him straight killiing a guy with them, looks like he's hitting non vitals. The guy he stabs he got him closer to the shoulder area, I think its implied he didn't kill that guy. Most of the guys in the warehouse scene didn't die, he took out almost all of them using non-lethal force.

A few probably got killed in the car chase scene sure but there was one time where it looks like he killed them by running over their truck but in the next scene it shows you they're alive. It also never directly shows that all those guys died but I'm sure that scene had a few deaths. Have to watch it again and pay close attention.
I think you are trying to hard to find loopholes. take it a face value. you said he didn't directly shoot them with the batwing, but in reality he shot to kill, whether he shot them directly or the vehicles they were in. just accept this is batman who has no qualms with killing. early in his career he may have stuck to that mantra, but not anymore. he's had enough and not holding back.
 
Do they ever state his reason for branding is so they get murdered in jail? I assumed he did it to remind them not to commit crime or something like that.

Someone made an remark something along the lines of

"Criminals in jail see the brand as a death sentence" they really didnt explain to to well
 
I think you are trying to hard to find loopholes. take it a face value. you said he didn't directly shoot them with the batwing, but in reality he shot to kill, whether he shot them directly or the vehicles they were in. just accept this is batman who has no qualms with killing. early in his career he may have stuck to that mantra, but not anymore. he's had enough and not holding back.

No believe me I know that fully, I know what kind of character he is and I'm starting to like it more and more. Its just that I really like observing fine details like this in action scenes. They weren't in the vehicles btw, they were outside standing on the drivers side. But yeah Batman shot the gas tank of the suv and it blew up on them.
 
So after re watching The flash cameo scene about 100 times

I have noticed something.
He is wearing some short of Iron man type suit over his flash costume..When he first appears from the warmhole he has a complete helmet on covering his face and for a split second before it cuts to bruce you can see it opening up to reveal his face

I wonder what kinda suit he is wearing
 
No believe me I know that fully, I know what kind of character he is and I'm starting to like it more and more. Its just that I really like observing fine details like this in action scenes.
does he kill everyone he fights? no, but he fights to kill instead of incapacitate like he does in the 90's B:TAS. it's a different batman than what we are used to seeing, so it is a bit jarring to see it so out in the open.
 
Someone made an remark something along the lines of

"Criminals in jail see the brand as a death sentence" they really didnt explain to to well

I don't remember that or who said it, was it Batman? that could be interpreted in several ways.
 
does he kill everyone he fights? no, but he fights to kill instead of incapacitate like he does in the 90's B:TAS. it's a different batman than what we are used to seeing, so it is a bit jarring to see it so out in the open.


Yeah, thats the direction they went and I can see why some Batman fans aren't ok with it.
 
I don't remember that or who said it, was it Batman? that could be interpreted in several ways.

A news anchor says it

"According to once source many believe the mark of the bat brand in prison essentally is a death sentence"
 
So after re watching The flash cameo scene about 100 times

I have noticed something.
He is wearing some short of Iron man type suit over his flash costume..When he first appears from the warmhole he has a complete helmet on covering his face and for a split second before it cuts to bruce you can see it opening up to reveal his face

I wonder what kinda suit he is wearing

How'd you watch it a hundred times?
 
A news anchor says it

"According to once source many believe the mark of the bat brand in prison essentally is a death sentence"

Thats interesting and it got me thinking about his branding, he tries to brand 2 people in this movie. He brands the sex trafficker guy who was holding little girls as prisoners, and he threatens to brand Luthor but he doesn't. think he saves the branding thing for the worst of the worst criminals, the ones he thinks deserve death.

Its like his message to the other prisoners that this one did something really fucked up.
 
So after re watching The flash cameo scene about 100 times

I have noticed something.
He is wearing some short of Iron man type suit over his flash costume..When he first appears from the warmhole he has a complete helmet on covering his face and for a split second before it cuts to bruce you can see it opening up to reveal his face

I wonder what kinda suit he is wearing
Yep, this falls in line with the report last September that he would have a post-apocalyptic costume. I'm guessing the suit is for time-travelling purposes.

Update: September 2, 2015

Ezra Miller 'Confirms' The Flash Will Be in Batman v Superman


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New details about Ezra Miller's Flash may have been revealed, including confirmation of his appearance in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. The supposed details were posted as an image to the DCEUFeed Twitter page. The feed only has 40 followers and 101 tweets, most of which are memes or retweets of official feeds, so we can't speak in any way towards its credibility. There is a photo of someone, who may or may not be the person that runs the feed, with Miller, which is the best evidence we have towards the information's legitimacy.

According to the tweet, Miller divulged that he will appear in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice with long hair and a costume with a post-apocalyptic look to it. If this is true, it's easy to speculate that Barry Allen appears in Batman v. Superman after time travelling to the present day era from a post-apocalyptic (Apokoliptic?) future. Also, his physique will be "ripped" rather than "bulky."

Ezra Miller Confirms The Flash Will Be in Batman v Superman; Shares New Details
 
Thats interesting and it got me thinking about his branding, he tries to brand 2 people in this movie. He brands the sex trafficker guy who was holding little girls as prisoners, and he threatens to brand Luthor but he doesn't. think he saves the branding thing for the worst of the worst criminals, the ones he thinks deserve death.

Its like his message to the other prisoners that this one did something really fucked up.

The news anchor also mentioned one of the other brand victims was a child molester so I suspect you are right
 
The news anchor also mentioned one of the other brand victims was a child molester so I suspect you are right

Yea seems like he especially hates :eek::eek::eek::eek:s. Can't say I blame him for doing it then, now if he starts branding your average low level criminal then that's a bit too much.
 
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