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Update: March 25, 2016

Dragonlord's Review of BATMAN V SUPERMAN
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After decades of unsuccessful attempts to bring these characters together on the silver screen, two of the most iconic fictional characters finally face off in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Unfortunately, Warner Bros.’ agenda to catch up with the competition impairs what could have been an epic movie by suffusing it with incongruous scenes clearly meant as a set-up for the Justice League movie.

BvS starts off on a wrong note with a credits intro of the funeral and murder of Bruce Wayne’s parents. There’s nothing groundbreaking or anything new to see here. The only thing I liked was how they staged the mugger’s gun snapping Martha Wayne’s pearl necklace (a la Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns). We also have a déjà vu scene of young Bruce stumbling into the Batcave and then being swarmed by a colony of bats. Then young Bruce enchantingly floats among the bats. WTF?? Thankfully, that part was just a dream because it was corny as hell.

So why did director Zack Snyder decide to go with this intro? I suspect it’s his artsy way of saying that the movie started with a funeral and ended in a funeral. (In fairness, it could be the screenwriters’ fault also) Then we switch to what SHOULD have been the main intro with a much older Bruce Wayne frantically driving to the Wayne building in Metropolis in the middle of Superman’s battle with General Zod in Man of Steel. It’s an exciting scene and gives me hope for what’s to come next. (But it’s laughable how the Wayne employees only started to evacuate the building AFTER Bruce Wayne told them to)

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That hope I was talking about gradually eroded as the first half of the movie passed by. Scenes were poorly edited which resulted in an uneven pacing. The narration didn’t flow organically. Felt like they shot two separate movies and stitched them together haphazardly.

The extended “Knightmare” dream/future vision sequence including the surprise appearance by a DC character was unnecessary and dissonant with the rest of the film. It’s like Christian Bale’s John Connor appearing briefly to Sarah Connor at the motel in the first Terminator movie warning her about the events of Terminator 3. It’s just jarring and needless at this point. The striking image of Bruce Wayne looking up from the rubble of the Wayne building at the beginning of the film asserts the character’s motivation and speaks more volumes than all the nightmare scenes.

There are a few perplexing moments like why would Superman be blamed for the death of the terrorists and civilians in Africa when it’s clear that they were killed by guns. Or why did Superman not bother to stop the truck that Batman was chasing.

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As for the much-anticipated fight between Batman and Superman, it was glorious and awesomely staged when viewing it without context. You just have to turn off your brain a little to ignore how Superman could have ended the fight quickly in a number of different ways or how he could just have blurted hastily on multiple occasions, “BruceMyMomIsKidnappedByLexLuthorINeedYourHelpPlease.”

But if you add the circumstances that led to the BvS fight, they goofed up. What made the fights between the two characters in The Dark Knight Returns or Hush a classic was that Batman was the underdog and the clear protagonist that had the moral authority between the two. Batman, a mere human, going up against a god; it’s a classic David vs. Goliath underdog story. But in the BvS fight, it is Superman who is in the right and Batman who is the asshole whose motives you understand but don’t really side with. So the audience ends up being conflicted when they should be fully rooting for “the little man” (Bats) to win against overwhelming odds. Adding a red Kryptonite element to the story would have solved some of these problems.

After Batman conveniently (magically even) admits to being wrong about Superman, the two agree to work together to save the day. With the murkiness of their motivations cleared up and the audience wholeheartedly rooting for both characters, Batman v Superman starts being enjoyable and finally feels like a Goddamn superhero movie. After 90 joyless, gloomy minutes, the movie starts being fun. The Doomsday plot could have been built up better but didn’t care as the movie was now firing on all cylinders. Clearly shoehorned but it didn’t matter, Wonder Woman’s appearance at the final battle just added more fun to the mix.

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Most of Sherdog and the rest of the world were wrong with two out of the three most controversial casting from the movie – Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman.

Affleck was fantastic in the role and aesthetically speaking is the best Bruce Wayne among the entire movie incarnations (not Jon Hamm perfect but close). As I said many times before, it’s much harder to pull off Bruce Wayne than Batman, where stunt-doubles and editing can make anyone in that cape look good. But still, Snyder’s version wins for having the best Batman movie fight scenes yet. Christopher Nolan might have snuck on the set and secretly directed the “Knightmare” sequence because the Batman fight scene there was embarrassing to watch.

Gadot was sexy and a nice, fun reprieve from the downer vibe of the movie. Her action scenes, as well as her theme music that accompanied her debut, were bad-ass. And even though the Justice League member cameos felt tacked-on, I couldn’t help but get excited seeing them (again thanks to Wonder Woman’s riveting score playing in the background).

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The third controversial casting was Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. It’s kind of a mixed bag for me. Under normal circumstances, Luthor’s Joker-like personality is annoying and off-putting. But under the film’s overall glum tone where characters are even afraid to crack a smile, his manic energy is at times welcomed as he seems to be the only character having fun. One thing is for sure though, I’m glad this Luthor’s master plan doesn’t revolve around a freakin’ real estate scheme.

Henry Cavill will get a lot of flak for his somber, uncharismatic performance but it’s not his fault since he is given so little to work with from the dour script. Also, the script is too ambitious for its own good, presenting different political, social and theological themes/undertones while juggling to be a commercial blockbuster film as well as setting up the Justice League movie. Between the two main characters, I was drawn more to the Superman side of the story in BvS. If they stuck to the original plan of Man of Steel 2, before Warner Bros. decided to insert Batman and Wonder Woman in there, I think the story would have worked much better. Even in BvS, you can still see the framework of the Man of Steel 2 script before the addendums.

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Just like in Man of Steel, Lois Lane has a tiresome habit of being in several major scenes with some of them being superfluous, like dropping the Kryptonite spear in the water and then picking it up later. Other than that, Amy Adams was solid. Her bathtub scene is probably one of the most titillating non-R rated scenes in comic book history.

Despite the great action and several gorgeous, picturesque imagery in BvS, Snyder might be the wrong director for the Justice League movie. His extreme doom and gloom tone might not be a good fit which I suspect some moviegoers have begun to get tired of. BvS also proves that the DC Extended Universe needs a Kevin Feige counterpart (maybe Paul Dini or Bruce Timm) to guide the DCEU and to rein in filmmakers’ questionable decisions.

Overall, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice succumbed to the burden of juggling too much on its plate. The first half of the movie lacked cohesion and was poorly edited/paced. The actual Batman-Superman fight was very well-done but could have been so much better (see paragraph 7). It’s not until the two main characters start working together that the film truly comes alive.

Preliminary Rating: 6/10







Link to previous Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice threads:

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Update: April 3, 2016

BATMAN V SUPERMAN Plunges 69 Percent in Second Weekend to $51.8 Million


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Zack Snyder's Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice plunged an estimated 69 percent in its second weekend — one of the biggest drops in history for a marquee superhero title — even as it easily stayed No. 1.

Final numbers show the Warner Bros. title earning $51.8 million from 4,256 theaters for a domestic total of $260.9 million. Dismal reviews and a B CinemaScore are no doubt catching up with the superhero smackdown.

Heading into the weekend, some analysts thought BvS would pull in north of $60 million, considering it had little competition (no new major studio title opened nationwide). Warners and Snyder have plenty riding on BvS, which launches the DC cinematic universe, including two Justice League movies — the first of which Snyder is presently shooting — and this summer's Suicide Squad.

BvS is also seeing big drops in some key international markets. Overall, the movie fell 67 percent internationally to $85.3 million from 67 markets for a foreign total of $422.5million and a global haul of $683.4 million. BvS has slowed dramatically in China, where it was beaten by Zootopia this weekend. It has earned $85 million in the Middle Kingdom to date.

Among other superhero movies, Avengers: Age of Ultron fell 59 percent in its second weekend and The Dark Knight, 53 percent. The only major studio superhero movie to see a decline approaching 70 percent was X-Men Origins: The Wolverine, which fell 69 percent in its second outing. Snyder's Man of Steel dipped 65 percent.

Box Office: 'Batman v. Superman' Plunges 69 Percent in Second Weekend to $51.8M
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Update: March 28, 2016

Deleted Scene from BATMAN V SUPERMAN Hints at the New Gods


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(Spoilers) A new deleted scene from Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice has just been released to the official Warner Bros. YouTube account -- and it appears to give some insight into that last scene between Lex Luthor and Batman.

In the scene, Lex is taking his Kryptonian history lesson on board the crashed Scout Ship from Man of Steel when a group of soldiers set upon him. If you've seen the movie, you know that those soldiers are never heard from again, but Lex is...!

What's more interesting, though, is a demonic figure -- possibly Darkseid's minion Steppenwolf or Darkseid's father Yuga Khan -- surrounded by large squares that appear to resemble the Mother Box from Silas Stone's S.T.A.R. Labs video.

Could this be where Lex Luthor learns about the Fourth World, the New Gods, and the idea that Darkseid is on his way to Earth?



Batman V Superman Deleted Scene Seems to Hint at The New Gods
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Update: March 28, 2016

BATMAN V SUPERMAN Sets Record for Worst Friday-Sunday Drop for a Superhero Movie


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According to Forbes, Batman v Superman has set a new record for the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop for a superhero movie release in modern North American box office history.

In dropping 55% from its $82 million Friday debut to its $37 million gross on Sunday, it pummeled all prior records for weakness in theatrical staying power. It even beat the nearly universally reviled and now long-forgotten Fantastic Four reboot, which dropped a comparatively modest 48% across its opening weekend in the summer of 2015.

You might be thinking that Sunday was the Easter holiday, which could account for the big Sunday drop. But that still wouldn’t explain the Friday-to-Saturday decline of 38%, which was the second worst opening Friday-to-Saturday drop in the annals of superhero releases, after a 40% dip for The Dark Knight Rises.

The steep decline in the Batman v Superman numbers points to the unfortunate likelihood that, apart from DC Comics fans, North American audiences don’t like the movie very much. This is problematic for Warner Bros in two critically important ways. First, if the picture’s audience evaporates too quickly its chances for reaching profitability will be threatened.

Second, the studio’s management has elected to hire the same creative team that made Batman v Superman to oversee the franchise’s future inter-connected pictures. If mainstream audiences aren’t enamored of the flagship film, it’s going to be a major challenge to win them back.

'Batman v Superman' Sets Record With Worst Friday-Sunday Drop For A Superhero Pic
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Update: March 27, 2016

BATMAN V SUPERMAN Smashes Records with $166.1M U.S. Debut and $420.1M Globally


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In a much-needed win for Warner Bros., Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice opened to a massive $166.1 million from 4,242 theaters, a defining moment in DC Entertainment's battle to compete with Marvel's superhero universe. It also helped deliver the biggest Easter weekend in history, up 13.5 percent over last year's record level, which was fueled by Furious 7.

On Sunday, Warners put the movie's opening at $170.1 million, but traffic slowed on Sunday. Instead of being the No. 6 opening of all time, it is the No. 7, although it remains the fourth-best launch of all time for a superhero film behind a trio of Marvel titles: The Avengers ($207.4 million), Avengers: Age of Ultron ($191.3 million) and Iron Man 3 ($174.1 million), not accounting for inflation.

Had the $170.1 million held, BvS would have marked the biggest opening in history for Warners, beating the final Harry Potter film ($169 million). On Sunday, the studio highlighted this fact in a press release listing the movie's numerous accomplishments, many of which still hold.

Batman v Superman also made history globally with $420.1 million, the No. 4 worldwide bow of all time behind Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($529 million), Jurassic World ($524.9 million) and the final Harry Potter film ($483.2 million). The movie benefited mightily from opening day-and-date everywhere, including in China, where it amassed $57.3 million. Its international take was $254 million, the biggest for any superhero pic.

The previous biggest superhero opening was The Avengers, with a global bow of $392.5 million (that film didn't have the advantage of opening everywhere at the same time). In terms of China, Avengers: Age of Ultron still easily holds the crown with a debut of $155.8 million two weeks after the sequel opened in North America.

Batman v Superman's mega-performance is all the more impressive considering it earned dismal notices and a mediocre B CinemaScore. The previous best domestic opening for a DC Entertainment film was Christopher Nolan's final Batman films, The Dark Knight Rises, which debuted to $160.9 million in summer 2012.

Box Office: 'Batman v Superman' Launches DC Superhero Universe With Record $166.1M U.S. Debut
 
Critics' Reviews for BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE

Rotten Tomatoes: 29% Approval Rating (88 out of 301 critics like it)

Critics Consensus: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice smothers a potentially powerful story -- and some of America's most iconic superheroes -- in a grim whirlwind of effects-driven action.


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Entertainment Weekly - Dawn of Justice starts off as an intriguing meditation about two superheroes turning to an all-too-human emotion: hatred out of fear of the unknown. Two and a half hours later it winds up somewhere very far from that—but at the same time, all too familiar. It's another numbing smash-and-bash orgy of CGI mayhem with an ending that leaves the door open wide enough to justify the next 10 installments. Is it too late to demand a rematch? C+

Newark Star-Ledger - But although director Zac Snyder is a great visualist, all he has here is pretty pictures and giant (and confusing) action sequences. The film meanders along, playing less like a prequel for the JLA than a greatest-hits medley of every superhero movie ever made. 2/4

Newsday - Overlong, underdeveloped and almost entirely humorless, “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” may please die-hard fans by pitting two DC icons against each other. Everyone else may want to wait for the next Marvel movie. 1.5/4

Rolling Stone - Snyder, juiced up by Hans Zimmer's caffeinated score, throws everything at the screen until resistance is futile. Better than Man of Steel but below the high bar set by Nolan's Dark Knight, Dawn of Justice is still a colossus, the stuff that DC Comics dreams are made of for that kid in all of us who yearns to see Batman and Superman suit up and go in for the kill. 3/4

James Berardinelli - For those who thought Man of Steel was dark, you ain’t seen nothing yet. Batman v Superman, the battle royale/team-up of DC Comics’ revered superheroes, is so bleak that the sun never seems to shine, the characters’ faces can’t form smiles, and the whole affair is more depressing than fun. 2.5/4
 
Update: March 23, 2016

Why People Want to See BATMAN V SUPERMAN According to Survey


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In the latest Fandango survey, moviegoers say that the introduction of Wonder Woman in Warner Bros.’ Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice is a primary draw for them.

The film hits U.S. theaters tomorrow at 6 PM, and some exhibitors have raised their opening-weekend projections to north of $160M. Currently, BvS reps 90% of Fandango’s weekend ticket sales, and the Zack Snyder film is outstripping pre-sales for all superhero titles at this point in time. Advance ticket sales for BvS among all services is figured between $20M-$25M.

In Fandango’s lead-up survey to BvS, 88% said they were excited to finally see Wonder Woman on the big screen. Fast & Furious actress Gal Gadot has stepped into the armored bathing suit and Wonder Woman gets her own movie on June 23, 2017.

Sixty percent of those moviegoers polled are also intrigued to watch Jesse Eisenberg’s take on Lex Luther, 82% said they’ve seen Snyder’s Man Of Steel, while 66% are fans of his work. More than half of those polled at 61% said they’ll see BvS more than once.

And in regards to the playground hypothetical –who would you root for: Batman or Superman? — 59% are standing with Batman, while 41% are on Team Superman.

The Main Reason Why Audiences Want To See ‘Batman V Superman’? It’s Wonder Woman
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Update: March 3, 2016

Jena Malone's Barbara Gordon Scene Cut from BATMAN V SUPERMAN Theatrical Release


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If Batman v Superman sounds crowded, it actually got smaller as time went on. The PG-13 movie’s 2 hour 31 minute runtime will expand further with an R-rated “Ultimate Edition” on home video, featuring even more brutal fight scenes as well as additional hints at future films. There’ll also be some new characters, including a secret one played by Jena Malone, who was cut from the theatrical release.

The shared universe took so long to coordinate not just because of business machinations, but because the DC movie braintrust had to make sure that each character felt distinct and strong. Nobody wants their favorite comic book hero to become somebody else’s sidekick. And Warner Bros. executives learned from 2011’s Green Lantern that getting it wrong can set their movie plans back for many years.

"I think we should keep it private, but it’s nothing that’s been talked about,” Snyder tells EW. “She’s definitely not Robin or Batgirl. I’m happy to say that.”

[Update: CBR reports that an official survey released to members of Warner Bros.' "A-List Community" website has reportedly confirmed the prevailing theory, that Malone is Barbara Gordon. The survey lists Jena Malone as Barbara Gordon.]

Jena Malone's Mystery Character from Batman v Superman Cut from Theatrical Release
 
Update: February 23, 2016

BATMAN V SUPERMAN to Get R-Rated Ultimate Edition Blu-Ray Release


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Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice is set to get an R-rated "Ultimate Edition" release on Blu-ray, according to the Classifications and Ratings Administration.

Titled Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Ultimate Edition, the expanded cut is likely to be similar in scope to Batman V Superman director Zack Snyder's Ultimate Cut of Watchmen.

It's reportedly rated R only for "scenes of violence," so it's unlikely this is a byproduct of Deadpool's massive success and the spate of R-rated comic book movies now rumored to be in development.

[Update: Zack Snyder confirmed to Collider that the R-rated Ultimate Edition will also include deleted scenes.]

Batman V. Superman To Get R-Rated Ultimate Edition Blu-Ray Release
 
Update: February 22, 2016

JUSTICE LEAGUE - PART 1 Begins Filming April 2016; Shooting Location Revealed


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Zack Snyder’s Justice LeaguePart 1 is officially a go at Warner Bros. and will begin filming on April 11, a little over two weeks after the release of Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, the director and studio tell EW.

“The idea that we could begin to boot up a Justice League concept was a cool thing,” says Snyder, who also directed 2013’s Man of Steel and has become one of the key figures in shaping DC’s connected film universe.

“It was a little bit of an ‘about time’ moment, and I don’t blame [the studio] for feeling that way, because it’s a long time coming,” he said. “But I do feel like it’s a little bit of a creative hurdle. It seems like an easy thing to do at first glance, the idea that, ‘Oh, we just get the rest of the superheroes in there.’ But you have to [establish] a world where they can exist.”

Justice League, which will be released on Nov. 17, 2017, will shoot at the Warner Bros. Leavesden studios in southeast England, as well as various locations around London and in Iceland. While this film is being designated Part 1, the follow-up installment, which will shoot separately, is already on the studio’s release schedule for 2019.

While three years passed between the release Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman, that was mainly because the various creative teams were mapping out so many interlocked stories. “The studio really wants us to try and pace it up, as far as —now we have an idea where we’re going,” Snyder says.

Justice League - Part 1 Starts Shooting This April with Zack Snyder Directing
 
Update: February 17, 2016

Rumor: Warner Bros. "Nervous" About BATMAN V SUPERMAN After Screening

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For the past few days, there've been lots of murmurs going around regarding the fact that Warner Bros and DC are starting to get really worried about their upcoming slate of DC films. Why is that? According to Drew McWeeny from HitFix, it's all related to the response the film has been receiving in test screenings.

From Latino-Review's sources, the term "worried" is a mischaracterization. They're not worried, per sé. What they are is nervous, and that's to be expected. After all, there is a lot riding on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Not only is the fate of an entire slate of DC films hanging in the balance of whether or not this movie hits, but the very definition of "hit" is now coming into question.

The budget for the film, with promotion included, has reportedly ballooned to north of $400 million. So for the movie to be considered a monster success- which the studio needs it to be- and for it to open the floodgates for the rest of the proposed slate, it would need to make north of a billion. The problem is, according to a well-connected source who spoke with LR on a condition of anonymity, the film could be as polarizing as Man of Steel.

To be clear, the source loved Man of Steel. And he's seen Batman v Superman, and he really liked it, too. But he also recalls how that MoS came out and split audiences and critics alike. It wasn't the kind of universal crowd-pleaser that DC wanted then, and that trend may very well continue with BvS.

Again, this isn't to say that the film is bad. Not at all. But it's not for everyone, and that's making the suits nervous, as there's a lot riding on this film and they'd rather it have turned out more accessible.

The idea to include Batman wasn't pre-planned. In fact, the whole Batman Vs Superman angle wasn't cooked up until well after Man of Steel had come out, and it's been said that they didn't decide to include Batman in the film until three days before they announced it at Comic Con. So bringing in The Dark Knight was an impulsive move, and one that was likely aided by the fact that DC knows that audiences love them some Batman.

The one recurring theme coming out of these test screenings, dating back to December, is that Ben Affleck's Batman is the highlight of the film.

But while McWeeny claims this could mean that his solo Batman flick could take the spot of Justice League, as the studio retools the team-up movie and shines a spotlight on the Snyder-less Batman flick, Latino Review's source says that Justice League is absolutely happening next, and that Affleck's solo film will not take its place. Production on JL is ramping up as we speak, and the thought is that they'll start filming after all of the actors are done promoting Batman v Superman. This also contradicts the idea that Snyder might not direct it.


The LR Scoop On The Apparent Turmoil At DC FILMS Over Batman V Superman
 
Update: February 17, 2016

Computer Algorithm Predicts BATMAN V SUPERMAN Has 32% Chance of Being Profitable


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With its $200 million budget, Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice will be one of the most expensive movies ever made when it’s released next month, and Warner Bros. has a lot riding on its success.

So, studio heads might be a little nervous to know that researchers at the University of Iowa have developed an analytical system that suggests the movie has only a 32 percent probability of turning a profit.

The system was developed by Kang Zhao, a professor of management sciences in the Henry B. Tippie College of Business, and Michael Lash, a doctoral student, to predict the probability of a movie’s profitability at the box office.

Their research has found dozens of elements that factor into a movie’s success, including the people involved in making the film (mostly the stars and director), the plot and genre (horror, rom-com, shoot-'em-up), and when the film was released (summer, when movies draw larger crowds, or late spring, when theaters are at their emptiest).

The system then uses a machine-learning, data-based algorithm to analyze those factors and determine the probability of a film earning a profit of at least $7.3 million, which the researchers considered to a reasonable profit on an investment (a modified version determines the probability of a film earning 11 percent return on investment). They ran the numbers from every film released in the U.S. between 2000 and 2010 through their “who, what, and when” formula to fine-tune which elements played a greater role.

The authors stress that their study looks only at box-office profitability and not tickets sold or revenue generated from video, streaming, or other secondary sources. It also takes into account only those factors that are known prior to the production of the movie.


Predicting Box Office Boffo or Bomb; ‘Batman v. Superman’ Investors Won’t Be Happy
 
Update: February 12, 2016

Rumor: Warner Bros. Worried About Their DC Cinematic Universe?

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Hitfix’s Drew McWeeny sat down with Roth Cornet to talk about the last trailer for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and conversation turned to what his sources told him about Warner Bros.’ attitude about the film in particular and the shared DC Cinematic Universe in general.

McWeeny says that Batman v Superman is starting to scare Warner Bros., that the advance response hasn’t been as good as the studio had expected and they are worried.

Warners needs to film to make over $1 billion for the studio to not only make its money back but also to support the rest of the announced films in the DC Cinematic Universe. The response they are getting from test screenings tells them that is not going to happen.

McWeeny bets that Justice League does not start production when it is scheduled, and Zack Snyder will not be at the helm of it when it does.

He also believes Warners will do everything to move Ben Affleck's The Batman solo movie up to take Justice League‘s place, believing that film would act as a better lead in to the team up flick than BvS and a better opportunity to “gain people back” onboard for the rest of the slate.

[Update: Zack Snyder’s Justice League — Part 1 is officially a go at Warner Bros. and will begin filming on April 11, a little over two weeks after the release of Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, the director and studio tell EW.]



Is Warner Bros. Giving Up on Its DC Cinematic Universe?
 
Update: August 26, 2014

Does Warner Bros. Have a No Joke Policy in Their DC Films?


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HitFlix's Drew McWeeny: "'No jokes.' Last week was about the fifth time I've heard that there is a mandate at Warner Bros. regarding any of the DC superhero films in development, and it's very simple and direct and to the point. 'No jokes.'

It would seem like a crazy rule to set for an entire series of films. Not according to Warner/DC. Not after Green Lantern. One thing you'd have to grant Green Lantern, whatever your feelings about it as a movie, is that they've got lots of jokes in that movie. Something has caused this shift in the overall editorial voice of the DC superhero movies. There's got to be a point behind an edict as broad and as specific as that.

DC is going to try for some big characters with Batman and Wonder Woman and The Flash and Cyborg and Aquaman, and one thing that's always seemed true to me of DC comics versus Marvel is tone. DC treats their superhero characters more like gods, fighting battles that we simply can't comprehend or participate in because of our natures. Marvel characters are more flawed, more human, struggling to live human lives while still dealing with their powers and their responsibility to the world.

But if 'No Jokes' is a reaction to Green Lantern, an edict that comes from a desire to simply do things differently from Marvel, it could really paint DC's movies into a corner, and I would imagine that it's giving some filmmakers pause in considering whether or not they'd want to make a DC movie.

So I'm going to put the question out there, and as we all talk to Zack Snyder or David Goyer or any of the actors working on these characters, I'd love to hear an answer, a firm denial. Is it true? Is DC really so gun-shy that they've laid this rule down for all of their films? Is it really a 'No Jokes' future we have to look forward to? And if so, do you think Marvel feels like they've already won in terms of audience sympathy if this is really how things are supposed to move forward?"

Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captur...arvel-the-big-screen-edge#Cu2f77SwDbRSuf82.99
 
Have you guys read this theory about Bruce Wayne's Dream sequence. I picked up on a lot of it and knew that it was the flash who appeared out of nowhere once Bruce woke up, but it's a decent theory. However, just proof positive that if even remotely true, they stuffed way too much shit in this movie and should have worked toward this gradually. Snyder is not the guy for this job.



And you can TLDR if you want, lol

interesting to say the least, but if the motherbox was already on earth doing its thing to cyborg, does that mean darkseid already had intentions invading earth long before luthor got the kryptonian ship to "teach" him?
 
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If they're smart they'll realize they dodged a huge bullet with this. You could have Batman and Superman read the fucking phone book to each other and people would still have watched it. DC will have to up their game when they start making movies that don't star the world's two most iconic superheroes.

I've got no faith in them. None.
 
If they're smart they'll realize they dodged a huge bullet with this. You could have Batman and Superman read the fucking phone book to each other and people would still have watched it. DC will have to up their game when they start making movies that don't star the world's two most iconic superheroes.

Pretty much

But, snyder will keep milking it for what it's worth $$$$
 
I didn't hate it, but it just has fksws
Update: August 26, 2014

Does Warner Bros. Have a No Joke Policy in Their DC Films?


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HitFlix's Drew McWeeny: "'No jokes.' Last week was about the fifth time I've heard that there is a mandate at Warner Bros. regarding any of the DC superhero films in development, and it's very simple and direct and to the point. 'No jokes.'

It would seem like a crazy rule to set for an entire series of films. Not according to Warner/DC. Not after Green Lantern. One thing you'd have to grant Green Lantern, whatever your feelings about it as a movie, is that they've got lots of jokes in that movie. Something has caused this shift in the overall editorial voice of the DC superhero movies. There's got to be a point behind an edict as broad and as specific as that.

DC is going to try for some big characters with Batman and Wonder Woman and The Flash and Cyborg and Aquaman, and one thing that's always seemed true to me of DC comics versus Marvel is tone. DC treats their superhero characters more like gods, fighting battles that we simply can't comprehend or participate in because of our natures. Marvel characters are more flawed, more human, struggling to live human lives while still dealing with their powers and their responsibility to the world.

But if 'No Jokes' is a reaction to Green Lantern, an edict that comes from a desire to simply do things differently from Marvel, it could really paint DC's movies into a corner, and I would imagine that it's giving some filmmakers pause in considering whether or not they'd want to make a DC movie.

So I'm going to put the question out there, and as we all talk to Zack Snyder or David Goyer or any of the actors working on these characters, I'd love to hear an answer, a firm denial. Is it true? Is DC really so gun-shy that they've laid this rule down for all of their films? Is it really a 'No Jokes' future we have to look forward to? And if so, do you think Marvel feels like they've already won in terms of audience sympathy if this is really how things are supposed to move forward?"

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There seemed to be a crap ton of jokes in the Suicide Squad trailer so I'd say no. Maybe when it comes to the big guns only?
 
Update: March 25, 2016

Dragonlord's Review of BATMAN V SUPERMAN
(Spoilers)

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After decades of unsuccessful attempts to bring these characters together on the silver screen, two of the most iconic fictional characters finally face off in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. Unfortunately, Warner Bros.’ agenda to catch up with the competition impairs what could have been an epic movie by suffusing it with incongruous scenes clearly meant as a set-up for the Justice League movie.

BvS starts off on a wrong note with a credits intro of the funeral and murder of Bruce Wayne’s parents. There’s nothing groundbreaking or anything new to see here. The only thing I liked was how they staged the mugger’s gun snapping Martha Wayne’s pearl necklace (a la Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns). We also have a déjà vu scene of young Bruce stumbling into the Batcave and then being swarmed by a colony of bats. Then young Bruce enchantingly floats among the bats. WTF?? Thankfully, that part was just a dream because it was corny as hell.

So why did director Zack Snyder decide to go with this intro? I suspect it’s his artsy way of saying that the movie started with a funeral and ended in a funeral. (In fairness, it could be the screenwriters’ fault also) Then we switch to what SHOULD have been the main intro with a much older Bruce Wayne frantically driving to the Wayne building in Metropolis in the middle of Superman’s battle with General Zod in Man of Steel. It’s an exciting scene and gives me hope for what’s to come next. (But it’s laughable how the Wayne employees only started to evacuate the building AFTER Bruce Wayne told them to)

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That hope I was talking about gradually eroded as the first half of the movie passed by. Scenes were poorly edited which resulted in an uneven pacing. The narration didn’t flow organically. Felt like they shot two separate movies and stitched them together haphazardly.

The extended “Knightmare” dream/future vision sequence including the surprise appearance by a DC character was unnecessary and dissonant with the rest of the film. It’s like Christian Bale’s John Connor appearing briefly to Sarah Connor at the motel in the first Terminator movie warning her about the events of Terminator 3. It’s just jarring and needless at this point. The striking image of Bruce Wayne looking up from the rubble of the Wayne building at the beginning of the film asserts the character’s motivation and speaks more volumes than all the nightmare scenes.

There are a few perplexing moments like why would Superman be blamed for the death of the terrorists and civilians in Africa when it’s clear that they were killed by guns. Or why did Superman not bother to stop the truck that Batman was chasing.

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As for the much-anticipated fight between Batman and Superman, it was glorious and awesomely staged when viewing it without context. You just have to turn off your brain a little to ignore how Superman could have ended the fight quickly in a number of different ways or how he could just have blurted hastily on multiple occasions, “BruceMyMomIsKidnappedByLexLuthorINeedYourHelpPlease.”

But if you add the circumstances that led to the BvS fight, they goofed up. What made the fights between the two characters in The Dark Knight Returns or Hush a classic was that Batman was the underdog and the clear protagonist that had the moral authority between the two. Batman, a mere human, going up against a god; it’s a classic David vs. Goliath underdog story. But in the BvS fight, it is Superman who is in the right and Batman who is the asshole whose motives you understand but don’t really side with. So the audience ends up being conflicted when they should be fully rooting for “the little man” (Bats) to win against overwhelming odds. Adding a red Kryptonite element to the story would have solved some of these problems.

After Batman conveniently (magically even) admits to being wrong about Superman, the two agree to work together to save the day. With the murkiness of their motivations cleared up and the audience wholeheartedly rooting for both characters, Batman v Superman starts being enjoyable and finally feels like a Goddamn superhero movie. After 90 joyless, gloomy minutes, the movie starts being fun. The Doomsday plot could have been built up better but didn’t care as the movie was now firing on all cylinders. Clearly shoehorned but it didn’t matter, Wonder Woman’s appearance at the final battle just added more fun to the mix.

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Most of Sherdog and the rest of the world were wrong with two out of the three most controversial casting from the movie – Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman.

Affleck was fantastic in the role and aesthetically speaking is the best Bruce Wayne among the entire movie incarnations (not Jon Hamm perfect but close). As I said many times before, it’s much harder to pull off Bruce Wayne than Batman, where stunt-doubles and editing can make anyone in that cape look good. But still, Snyder’s version wins for having the best Batman movie fight scenes yet. Christopher Nolan might have snuck on the set and secretly directed the “Knightmare” Batman fight scene which was embarrassing to watch.

Gadot was sexy and a nice, fun reprieve from the downer vibe of the movie. Her action scenes, as well as her theme music that accompanied her debut, were bad-ass. And even though the Justice League member cameos felt tacked-on, I couldn’t help but get excited seeing them (again thanks to Wonder Woman’s riveting score playing in the background).

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The third controversial casting was Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. It’s kind of a mixed bag for me. Under normal circumstances, Luthor’s Joker-like personality is annoying and off-putting. But under the film’s overall glum tone where characters are even afraid to crack a smile, his manic energy is at times welcomed as he seems to be the only character having fun. One thing is for sure though, I’m glad this Luthor’s master plan doesn’t revolve around a freakin’ real estate scheme.

Henry Cavill will get a lot of flak for his somber, uncharismatic performance but it’s not his fault since he is given so little to work with from the dour script. Also, the script is too ambitious for its own good, presenting different political, social and religious undertones while juggling to be a commercial blockbuster film as well as setting up the Justice League movie. Between the two main characters, I was drawn more to the Superman side of the story in BvS. If they stuck to the original plan of Man of Steel 2, before Warner Bros. decided to insert Batman and Wonder Woman in there, I think the story would have worked much better. Even in BvS, you can still see the framework of the Man of Steel 2 script before the addendums.

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Just like in Man of Steel, Lois Lane has a tiresome habit of being in several major scenes with some of them being superfluous, like dropping the Kryptonite spear in the water and then picking it up later. Other than that, Amy Adams was solid. Her bathtub scene is probably one of the most titillating non-R rated scenes in comic book history.

Despite the great action and several gorgeous, picturesque imagery in BvS, Snyder might be the wrong director for the Justice League movie. His extreme doom and gloom tone might not be a good fit which I suspect some moviegoers have begun to get tired of. BvS also proves that the DC Extended Universe needs a Kevin Feige counterpart (maybe Paul Dini or Bruce Timm) to guide the DCEU and to rein in filmmakers’ questionable decisions.

Overall, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice succumbed to the burden of juggling too much on its plate. The first half of the movie lacked cohesion and was poorly edited/paced. The actual Batman-Superman fight was very well-done but could have been so much better (see paragraph 7). It’s not until the two main characters start working together that the film truly comes alive.

Preliminary Rating: 6/10







Link to previous Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice threads:

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11]
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Definitely a good movie. I enjoyed it.
 
I did not like lex Luthors portrayal at all
 
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