Barr and Mueller's Two Testie-fy (SCO v. 34)

[lfd0311]

LOL. Even Mueller says that Barr mischaracterized his report.

"Although the investigation established that the Russian Government percieved that it would benefit from a Trump Presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian Government in it's election interference Campaign"

Now I know that was stuffed way down deep in the report, all the way down in the last paragraph of "Page 1", in the section entitled "Introduction to Volume 1", so it could have been easy to miss, but please explain in your own words what was mischaracterized? Since it's obvious from this that you've actually read the report and in no way are just parroting some shit you heard on the news or twitter or something....

 

[MikeMcMann]

are you having a hard time with the idea that you can technically tell the truth while being misleading? Were you born an adult? This is a behavior experienced by every child when bullshitting their parents.

I have pointed this out many times on this forum.

So many seem to think WRONGLY that anything that does not meet the threshold for prosecution or perjury is therefore not a lie. That is wrong but they act like they are playing virtual attorney here and make a joke of themselves.

a lie is an attempt to deceive is committed when you know what the person intends in the question even if they do not frame it correctly or leave you wiggle room to dance around it.

An example of a clear lie by Barr that he could dodge around a perjury charge on was the question he lied to Congress over in his prior testimony.

"...Barr was asked about reports that members of Mueller's team were frustrated with Barr's March 24 letter, and about whether he knew what those reports were referencing. Barr said he did not. Pressed on Wednesday about whether he gave truthful answers to Congress last month, Barr testified that he'd spoken with Mueller directly — not with unidentified members of Mueller's team cited in news reports..."

In the above Barr is splitting hairs here to say he was asked about 'members of Mueller's team were frustrated" and not if Muller himself was frustrated. He is suggesting that had they asked 'was Mueller frustrated" his answer would have been different.

First off Mueller is a part of the Mueller Team in this context, so Barr gets no pass for trying to exclude him from his own team. The question never intended to say 'did anyone but Mueller on the Muller team...'. Second Barr knows exactly what the intent of the question is but in a lawlerly way dodges around it giving them an answer he KNOWS will deceive. And when it is revealed later it DID clearly deceive. He achieved his lie even if he can dodge around charges of perjury. They are NOT the same thing.

Barr is a clear liar. Undeniable. And proves he will do so at any all turns in service to the POTUS. This is exactly what Cohen alluded to prior that when you work for Trump you are drawn into lying and doing these things for him. There simply is no way to be around him and supportive and to not be drawn into lying and once you cross that line you slowly become all in. That or you have to leave as Don McGahn did. There is no middle ground with Trump as he constantly puts you in impossible positions where you lie for him or go against him.

 

[HereticBD]

"Although the investigation established that the Russian Government percieved that it would benefit from a Trump Presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian Government in it's election interference Campaign"

Now I know that was stuffed way down deep in the report, all the way down in the last paragraph of "Page 1", in the section entitled "Introduction to Volume 1", so it could have been easy to miss, but please explain in your own words what was mischaracterized? Since it's obvious from this that you've actually read the report and in no way are just parroting some shit you heard on the news or twitter or something....

Because...

Seth Abramson > Robert Mueller & Bill Barr

Barr mischaracterized Abramson's interpretation of Mueller's findings. Therefore Barr is corrupt.

 

[glenwo2]

I couldn’t help but notice that,

“the last word has been spoken by Barr, and all that’s left is liberal bitching”


Was missing from the OP. Meh, whatever, you girls will figure it out eventually.

Consider the source of said OP, bob. Not surprising in the least.

 

[lfd0311]

This is basically an OT discussion on right. None of you mongoloid dipshits even believe Barr lol.

Stickin it to the libs. Buncha cans.

This is top shelf babbling

 

[glenwo2]

Are you insane?


The right on sherdog has been entirely correct from day one.


Let’s have a quick reality check, shall we?


Things the left thought would happen.

1 - Trump would be indicted, some thought he would be dragged from the White House in handcuffs. FALSE

2 - Trump Jr would be indicted. FALSE

3 - Kushner would be indicted. FALSE

4 - Charges of conspiracy would be brought against anyone on the trump campaign. FALSE

5 - Avinatti, Stormy, Cohen, Schiff, Comey, and any of the other cast of characters would surely be the one to take down trump. FALSE

6 - Trump would be impeached. FALSE

7 - Trump would be charged with obstruction. FALSE





Add about 50 more embarrassing predictions liberals here had to that list, and we won’t have even begun to scratch the surface of the unprecedented embarrassment you’ve brought upon yourselves.







PS, Homer still believes all that shit will happen. Seth on Twitter told him so.

Guarantee you that Hill only read the first sentence of this post and ignored everything else.

Leftist Dipshits (who apparently are subscribers to Tranny porn) don't like being told they're wrong.

 

[lfd0311]

Because...

Seth Abramson > Robert Mueller & Bill Barr

Barr mischaracterized Abramson's interpretation of Mueller's findings. Therefore Barr is corrupt.

This is what happens when you rely on other people to do your thinking for you instead of just reading. Basically a dude on Bill Maher's show said something that Liberals liked, so now it's gospel? Weird....

 

[glenwo2]

Just FYI, War is a troll account. He rack a da suddlety sometimes.

That's a bold claim.

Then again, the possibility that one of the leftists here have a duplicate account they use to agree with themselves isn't really a surprising thought. <{chips}>

 

[glenwo2]

When the report was finished and when it was released are two different things. Mueller had his own summaries ready to make public at the conclusion of the investigation. Barr decided not to release those, he released a summary that Mueller claims failed to "fully capture the context, nature and substance of this Office's work and conclusions.", something that led some of you guys to claim Trump was exonerated and that the investigation was "over". The truth is now coming out and there is still Mueller's side to be told. Don't be surprised if it differs from Barr's statements.

I would be surprised, especially when he already told Barr personally that his Summary was NOT inaccurate.

 

[lfd0311]

I have pointed this out many times on this forum.

So many seem to think WRONGLY that anything that does not meet the threshold for prosecution or perjury is therefore not a lie. That is wrong but they act like they are playing virtual attorney here and make a joke of themselves.

a lie is an attempt to deceive is committed when you know what the person intends in the question even if they do not frame it correctly or leave you wiggle room to dance around it.

An example of a clear lie by Barr that he could dodge around a perjury charge on was the question he lied to Congress over in his prior testimony.

"...Barr was asked about reports that members of Mueller's team were frustrated with Barr's March 24 letter, and about whether he knew what those reports were referencing. Barr said he did not. Pressed on Wednesday about whether he gave truthful answers to Congress last month, Barr testified that he'd spoken with Mueller directly — not with unidentified members of Mueller's team cited in news reports..."

In the above Barr is splitting hairs here to say he was asked about 'members of Mueller's team were frustrated" and not if Muller himself was frustrated. He is suggesting that had they asked 'was Mueller frustrated" his answer would have been different.

First off Mueller is a part of the Mueller Team in this context, so Barr gets no pass for trying to exclude him from his own team. The question never intended to say 'did anyone but Mueller on the Muller team...'. Second Barr knows exactly what the intent of the question is but in a lawlerly way dodges around it giving them an answer he KNOWS will deceive. And when it is revealed later it DID clearly deceive. He achieved his lie even if he can dodge around charges of perjury. They are NOT the same thing.

Barr is a clear liar. Undeniable. And proves he will do so at any all turns in service to the POTUS. This is exactly what Cohen alluded to prior that when you work for Trump you are drawn into lying and doing these things for him. There simply is no way to be around him and supportive and to not be drawn into lying and once you cross that line you slowly become all in. That or you have to leave as Don McGahn did. There is no middle ground with Trump as he constantly puts you in impossible positions where you lie for him or go against him.

Dude, your TDS is getting out of control to the point where you've gone from an intellegent and moderate person to a person who can't even read and understand information. Barr isn't splitting hairs. Barr is saying that he can't speak for what memembers of Mueller's teams thought, because he only ever talked to Mueller himself and not "members of the Mueller team". That is amazingly easy to understand, unless you're looking for conformation to your bias around every corner.

 

[glenwo2]

You guys are such marks. The report was never intended to reach a definitive conclusion either way. It was purposely written and released in a way that would keep us arguing over it. Mueller says Trump is innocent but not really...kinda. Apparently there was a 'mood' to the report that Barr didn't accurately represent so now Mueller has to testify and keep this whole circus going. How much you want to bet that during his testimoney Mueller both confirms Trumps innocence while simultaneously insinuating he's still guilty of something ambiguous. Then you will all spend the next two years fighting over the next report or the next hearing. This is so ridiculous watching you guys still arguing over this.

Spoiler

And for those who haven't caught on yet Trump is in on this. This is all a big play that keeps us distracted and fighting over Russian collusion and email servers. Meanwhile nothing happens, no one goes to jail, and the agenda goes full steam ahead.

Never thought of this in that way.

You may be right.

But Trump being in on this? I doubt his plan was to have his family be dragged through the mud like they have been.

So no. I don't believe that part.

 

[glenwo2]

Simply stated: The subjugation of the United States and the enslavement of Americans and ultimately the entire world.

I stated the agenda last night :


The long game from Dems is a whole new worse swamp - make no mistake:

1) They don't want any non-politico upsetting the apple-cart ever again - like Trump did. They will try as hard as they can to drag Trump's personal business, finances, children etc into a quagmire to head off people like Bloomberg, Cuban, Shultz, etc every having the temerity to get into the hog pit again

2) They will increasingly violate the principle of representation by directing resources as a party to suppress Dems they don't like and ones that fail to toe the party line. This sounds reasonable but it's actually a sea-change from the bedrock understanding that representatives are there to reflect the will of their local constituents - not the national goals of a political party. To ask a Dem from Montana to vote lockstep with one from New York is absurd on its face. But the Dems want that - they want the Chinese one party model.

 

[glenwo2]

"We don't like Barr's report that's about a report we can read as it is publicly available"

Unreal how stupid they are and how idiotic the Left-wing media is.

 

[glenwo2]

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

This is what happens when you depend on Seth Abramson to do your thinking for you.

 

[andnowweknow]

But what if Jesus Mueller says the summary was not misleading?

Your stance is the Barr Summary was inaccurate or misleading even if Mueller says it is not?

You guys literally are MSM zombies

Would just like to hear from someone who isn't a liar. Ie, Mueller. He'll say what he's gonna say...

 

[glenwo2]

But what if Mueller himself says the Barr summary was not inaccurate and not misleading.

Weird you are still using the Crist exchange.

What do you mean "What if"?

Mueller stated that the summary was not inaccurate and not misleading.

Don't tell me you're starting to believe the dipshits' garbage now?

 

[andnowweknow]

This is top shelf babbling

You're one of the cans. Can.

 

[glenwo2]

"Although the investigation established that the Russian Government percieved that it would benefit from a Trump Presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian Government in it's election interference Campaign"

Now I know that was stuffed way down deep in the report, all the way down in the last paragraph of "Page 1", in the section entitled "Introduction to Volume 1", so it could have been easy to miss, but please explain in your own words what was mischaracterized? Since it's obvious from this that you've actually read the report and in no way are just parroting some shit you heard on the news or twitter or something....

THIS.

Maybe Seth can help shed some light on this. Tweet away, Homer!!

 

[spamking]

This is getting dramatic . . .

https://www.c-span.org/video/?45992...atens-contempt-attorney-general-skips-hearing

 

[MikeMcMann]

Dude, your TDS is getting out of control to the point where you've gone from an intellegent and moderate person to a person who can't even read and understand information. Barr isn't splitting hairs. Barr is saying that he can't speak for what memembers of Mueller's teams thought, because he only ever talked to Mueller himself and not "members of the Mueller team". That is amazingly easy to understand, unless you're looking for conformation to your bias around every corner.

Mueller is a member of the Mueller team.

To pretend Barr thought the question was 'excluding Mueller himself, did any member of the Mueller team...' is exactly the type of spin and lies people like you need to accept to support Trump.

Barr knew what they were asking and lied. FACT.