Social Australian Court Rule Self-Identified "Women" Can Access Women Only Apps/Services

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The Federal Court found that although Roxanne Tickle had not been directly discriminated against, she was a victim of indirect discrimination - which refers to when a decision disadvantages a person with a particular attribute - and ordered the app to pay her A$10,000 ($6,700; £5,100) plus costs.

It’s a landmark ruling when it comes to gender identity, and at the very heart of the case was the ever more contentious question: what is a woman?

In 2021, Tickle downloaded “Giggle for Girls”, an app marketed as an online refuge where women could share their experiences in a safe space, and where men were not allowed.

In order to gain access, she had to upload a selfie to prove she was a woman, which was assessed by gender recognition software designed to screen out men.

However, seven months later - after successfully joining the platform - her membership was revoked.

As someone who identifies as a woman, Tickle claimed she was legally entitled to use services meant for women, and that she was discriminated against based on her gender identity.

She sued the social media platform, as well as its CEO Sall Grover, and sought damages amounting to A$200,000, claiming that “persistent misgendering” by Grover had prompted “constant anxiety and occasional suicidal thoughts”.

“Grover’s public statements about me and this case have been distressing, demoralising, embarrassing, draining and hurtful. This has led to individuals posting hateful comments towards me online and indirectly inciting others to do the same,” Tickle said in an affidavit.

Giggle’s legal team argued throughout the case that sex is a biological concept.

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I don't understand why more people do not see how stuff like this is just rolling back the clock to a time when women had no power or autonomy.

You only have to roll the clock back 5 years to see Shertards losing their shit about 'women only' anything lol

I just did a quick search as I suspected there would be a fair few threads involving right wing men moaning about safe spaces for women hahahaaaaa

The ironing is delicious, as Bart Simpson would say
 
You only have to roll the clock back 5 years to see Shertards losing their shit about 'women only' anything lol

I just did a quick search as I suspected there would be a fair few threads involving right wing men moaning about safe spaces for women hahahaaaaa

The ironing is delicious, as Bart Simpson would say
You mean to tell me there weren't many threads about it before all the trans madness started? That's a shocking revelation.
 
You mean to tell me there weren't many threads about it before all the trans madness started? That's a shocking revelation.

If I'm being honest, the trans issue was present even back then, just in a mocking way. Like, "but what if I say I'm a woman lololol", but the general gist has always been women and minorities aren't allowed to exclude white men because "feelings".

Now they are because someone decided trans people are even more of an enemy than women lol

The irony is extra sweet against a backdrop of abortion shaming, which is why women want an online safe space to get away from these cunts who demand absolute power over women in the first place!

What a mess the 2024 Conservative stance is, man...
 
If I'm being honest, the trans issue was present even back then, just in a mocking way. Like, "but what if I say I'm a woman lololol", but the general gist has always been women and minorities aren't allowed to exclude white men because "feelings".

Now they are because someone decided trans people are even more of an enemy than women lol

The irony is extra sweet against a backdrop of abortion shaming, which is why women want an online safe space to get away from these cunts who demand absolute power over women in the first place!

What a mess the 2024 Conservative stance is, man...

 
If I'm being honest, the trans issue was present even back then, just in a mocking way. Like, "but what if I say I'm a woman lololol", but the general gist has always been women and minorities aren't allowed to exclude white men because "feelings".

Now they are because someone decided trans people are even more of an enemy than women lol

The irony is extra sweet against a backdrop of abortion shaming, which is why women want an online safe space to get away from these cunts who demand absolute power over women in the first place!

What a mess the 2024 Conservative stance is, man...
Liberals: "Its okay if your daughter is being exposed to penises because discrimination is bad."
Also Liberals: "We're only giving out these loans to black owned businesses."
 
The important part of the article because it actually explains why the app lost:

But Justice Robert Bromwich said in his decision on Friday that case law has consistently found sex is “changeable and not necessarily binary”, ultimately dismissing Giggle’s argument.

I don't know Australian case law but if their history has consistently ruled that sex is changeable, per the judge, then the app company is in the wrong because it's not applying the law as Australia has determined it.

EDIT: Turns out that Australia made gender identity a protected characteristic in the Sex Discrimination Act of 1984. So, this isn't a new thing for Australia and hence why the judge made the case law determination that he made.
 
The important part of the article because it actually explains why the app lost:



I don't know Australian case law but if their history has consistently ruled that sex is changeable, per the judge, then the app company is in the wrong because it's not applying the law as Australia has determined it.

EDIT: Turns out that Australia made gender identity a protected characteristic in the Sex Discrimination Act of 1984. So, this isn't a new thing for Australia and hence why the judge made the case law determination that he made.
So legally the idea of men and women doesn't exist at all in Australian because someone can change it at any time?
 
The important part of the article because it actually explains why the app lost:



I don't know Australian case law but if their history has consistently ruled that sex is changeable, per the judge, then the app company is in the wrong because it's not applying the law as Australia has determined it.

EDIT: Turns out that Australia made gender identity a protected characteristic in the Sex Discrimination Act of 1984. So, this isn't a new thing for Australia and hence why the judge made the case law determination that he made.

That case law example sounds like America's inevitable future too lol. Just wait for it.
 
So legally the idea of men and women doesn't exist at all in Australian because someone can change it at any time?
I thinks it's more nuanced than that. Rather the idea of men and women is malleable before the law. And you can't discriminate based on that idea that it's fixed. I think that's different from saying it doesn't exist at all because there were will always be 99.99% of the population who are not going to change their self-identification and they will be able to access things aimed at their gender.

And I'd gather there's more required than just saying "I'm an X today," that someone has to provide some kind of substantive proof that they're actually engaging life this way. We do that here in religious discrimination, that the individual has to establish that their religious beliefs are sincerely held, via actions they've undertaken in the past.

As I was thinking about this, I had a couple of thoughts that probably will bother some. First, if we're against discrimination in all of its forms, we should be against places that discriminate based on gender, even without the trans or self-identification component. A women's only anything technically discriminates against men. Are women biologically different from men? I'd say yes but does that mean they can discriminate against men on the internet? It's a complicated thing to unpack if people are going to be intellectually honest about it.
 
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