Are these the best fighters in each division? (post UFC 309)

[jackleeb]

145 - Featherweight:
- Topuria (best mma boxer)

155 - Lightweight:
- Makhachev (well-rounded like Shavkat and GSP)
- Khabib (best mma wrestling like Khamzat)

170 - Welterweight:
- Shavkat (well-rounded like Makhachev and GSP)
- GSP (well-rounded like Makhachev and Shavkat)

185 - Middleweight:
- Khamzat (best mma wrestling like Khabib)

205 - Light Heavyweight:
- Pereira (best mma striker)

265 - Heavyweight:
- Aspinall (speed)
- Ngannou (power)
- Jones (variety of attacks, fight IQ)

 

[swarrrm]

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I dont get it if it's all-time then why on earth is Jones considered a HW and where are the goat candidates.

and why isn't below 145 considered? Because you can't put Umar up there yet, lol. Obvious intentions here..

 

[jackleeb]

I dont get it if it's all-time then why on earth is Jones considered a HW and where are the goat candidates.

and why isn't below 145 considered? Because you can't put Umar up there yet, lol. Obvious intentions here..

fedor:
- lost a shit ton after his prime in 2010
- only 6 ft tall, would lose to jones or aspinall or ngannou

anderson silva:
- lost a shit ton after his prime in 2012
- lost to izzy and jake paul
- 0 wrestling, 2024 khamzat would beat prime silva

mighty mouse:
- lost to henry cejudo


heavyweight jones > lhw jones, so only the best version of jones is included

below 145 is not considered because being under 145 lbs is kinda wild

 

[Doctor Grudge]

fedor - lost a shit ton after his prime in 2010
anderson silva - lost a shit ton after his prime in 2012
mighty mouse - lost to henry cejudo


heavyweight jones > lhw jones, so only the best version of jones is included

below 145 is not considered because being under 145 lbs is kinda wild

Makes no sense, you're citing fighters losing after their prime as why they can't be the best. Will Khazmat have the "best wrestling" (sample size isn't even large enough to claim tha) when he is 70 years old?

The mighty mouse thing makes even less sense. You're saying because he lost to Henry Cejudo he is not the best 125 pounder, even though most people thought he won that fight - yet the majority of people you listed all have losses?

Jon Jones is not better as a heavyweight...he's likely not in his prime, and has only beaten one heavyweight worth talking about.

What's next, Daniel Cormier can't be better than Alex because he lost to Jon Jones? I'm seriously worried about what people on sherdog do for a living, it can't be anything remotely white collared.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

fedor:
- lost a shit ton after his prime in 2010
- only 6 ft tall, would lose to jones or aspinall or ngannou

anderson silva:
- lost a shit ton after his prime in 2012
- lost to izzy and jake paul
- 0 wrestling, 2024 khamzat would beat prime silva

mighty mouse:
- lost to henry cejudo


heavyweight jones > lhw jones, so only the best version of jones is included

below 145 is not considered because being under 145 lbs is kinda wild

So losing past prime takes you out of the conversation but guys who are still in their prime are in th conversation?

 

[jackleeb]

So losing past prime takes you out of the conversation but guys who are still in their prime are in th conversation?

being out of prime happens to everyone. father time.

the best is to know when it's time and hang them up.

example:
many considered tony ferguson the one to beat khabib.
but after his loss to justin gaethje in may 2020, he went on a record 8 losing streak.

tony's skillset and legacy and invincibility is forever tarnished, just like how fedor and silva are not the perfect fighters we used to think of them

 

[jackleeb]

The current best is the UFC champ
The all-time bests are well known: Fedor at HW, Jones at LHW, Silva at MW, GSP at WW, Khabib at LW, Aldo at FW, Cruz at BW and Johnson at FLW

i didn't say "greatest", which is based on resume.
i said "best", which is who would win in a fight, prime for prime.


- aspinall or jones or ngannou would beat prime fedor
- jones is the best lhw, but hw jones would obviously beat lhw jones
- prime silva would lose to 2024 khamzat
- topuria would beat prime aldo, just like mcgregor KO'd him stiff

 

[markantony20]

One of these fighters is retired and the other is in a different promotion?

Are you ranking ATGs or current fighters?

 

[SuperAlly]

145 - Featherweight:
- Topuria (best mma boxer)

155 - Lightweight:
- Makhachev (well-rounded like Shavkat and GSP)
- Khabib (best mma wrestling like Khamzat)

170 - Welterweight:
- Shavkat (well-rounded like Makhachev and GSP)
- GSP (well-rounded like Makhachev and Shavkat)

185 - Middleweight:
- Khamzat (best mma wrestling like Khabib)

205 - Light Heavyweight:
- Pereira (best mma striker)

265 - Heavyweight:
- Aspinall (speed)
- Ngannou (power)
- Jones (variety of attacks, fight IQ)

It appears it's not clear who is the best UFC fighter in the HW division

Maybe we should have a fight between the 2 contenders to see who it is?

 

[Travis Alexander]

I can only hope TS doesn’t setup his 2fa and I don’t have to see another ridiculous thread from him ever again.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

being out of prime happens to everyone. father time.

the best is to know when it's time and hang them up.

example:
many considered tony ferguson the one to beat khabib.
but after his loss to justin gaethje in may 2020, he went on a record 8 losing streak.

tony's skillset and legacy and invincibility is forever tarnished, just like how fedor and silva are not the perfect fighters we used to think of them

That doesn't make any sense. Losing after your prime doesn't make the prime version of you a worse fighter.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

I can only hope TS doesn’t setup his 2fa and I don’t have to see another ridiculous thread from him ever again.

I second this opinion

 

[PhotographyRaptor]

i didn't say "greatest", which is based on resume.
i said "best", which is who would win in a fight, prime for prime.


- aspinall or jones or ngannou would beat prime fedor
- jones is the best lhw, but hw jones would obviously beat lhw jones
- prime silva would lose to 2024 khamzat
- topuria would beat prime aldo, just like mcgregor KO'd him stiff

Prime Aldo would flatline Topuria hard. Well unless Ilia was able to really get under his skin. But still, Ilia is way too hittable. I’d take Featherweight Conor over Ilia for the same reason too. Prime Max maybe also. I could be wrong though.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

i didn't say "greatest", which is based on resume.
i said "best", which is who would win in a fight, prime for prime.

yet you're considering losses to guys that happened after their primes.