Are liberals really empathetic or do they just want to destroy middle class?

[Ortegoat]

why do poor and rich liberals want the middle class to pay for unaffordable healthcare so that poor families get it for free? So basically middle class goes with out unless they work for a government or university job.

Obama care was basically a tax on the middle class and priced them out of having insurance that covers anything while also having to pay 2k/month with 3k deductible.

I for one do not care about other people’s children. It’s their parents responsibility to look after their own and pay their own fucking way

 

[snakedafunky]

Yeah, that's why liberal Europe has no middle class and their healthcare system is in crisis mode resulting in 60000 opioid death per year.
Everyone knows that the best way to help the middle class is giving tax cuts to the rich.

 

[Execute]

Are conservative stupid, or do they get off from a lack of education?

/Dump

 

[SaiWa]

why do poor and rich liberals want the middle class to pay for unaffordable healthcare so that poor families get it for free? So basically middle class goes with out unless they work for a government or university job.

Obama care was basically a tax on the middle class and priced them out of having insurance that covers anything while also having to pay 2k/month with 3k deductible.

I for one do not care about other people’s children. It’s their parents responsibility to look after their own and pay their own fucking way

I for one think you're an idiot. but that is based purely on the content of your post in this thread.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

I for one do not care about other people’s children. It’s their parents responsibility to look after their own and pay their own fucking way

this is why American society is so dysfunctional

 

[kpt018]

Just in case TS is not picking up on the sarcasm in here the ACA raised taxes on high income earners. For example, the investment tax and payroll tax only applies to capital gains/incomes exceeding $200k or $250k if married. And obviously some of the tax credits reduce taxes.

 

[kpt018]

And yes, empathy is one of the important factors that determine where people land on issues of helping the poor, allowing immigrants in the country, subsidizing healthcare, etc..

 

[Headkicktoleg]

this is why American society is so dysfunctional

American society works pretty damn well except on sherdog.

 

[Ortegoat]

Just in case TS is not picking up on the sarcasm in here the ACA raised taxes on high income earners. For example, the investment tax and payroll tax only applies to capital gains/incomes exceeding $200k or $250k if married. And obviously some of the tax credits reduce taxes.

You do realize Obamacare is going bankrupt because no middle class people sign up to have their pockets emptied

 

[kpt018]

You do realize Obamacare is going bankrupt because no middle class people sign up to have their pockets emptied

What the hell does that even mean? Obamacare is a bill, not a company or a person. Also, Republicans are actively undermining the law at every chance they get.

But unless you explain what you mean by "going bankrupt" I can't address your post directly. Before this gets stupid, the ACA is a deficit reducer and helped to curb healthcare cost growth, so don't @ me with that shit.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

American society works pretty damn well except on sherdog.

does it? seems pretty dysfunctional at present

dont worry though, once Brexit goes through we'll be stealing all the attention as the laughing stock of the world

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Is it? I would argue that it is more dysfunctional for person A to expect person B to bail them out of their own struggles. Why should I have "empathy", when I work very hard and have made many sacrifices to achieve my current position. I have seen many people make excuses when things get tough, rather than dig in and create success, but then rely on government assistance as their lord and savior. Or make more excuses about their low salaries and lack of successful career. Why would I prefer to help provide for many who aren't willing to do what it takes to provide for themselves?

In an ideal world there would people who can empathize to the moon and pay 50% tax to help people if they want, separated from people like me who wouldn't give them a penny if I had a choice.

individualism is a great concept, but not when it doesnt recognise the collective which has created the enviroment for that individualism.

Societies cant function properly if everyone is only interested in lining their own pockets and not giving a fuck about their fellow citizens

 

[kpt018]

Is it? I would argue that it is more dysfunctional for person A to expect person B to bail them out of their own struggles. Why should I have "empathy", when I work very hard and have made many sacrifices to achieve my current position. I have seen many people make excuses when things get tough, rather than dig in and create success, but then rely on government assistance as their lord and savior. Or make more excuses about their low salaries and lack of successful career. Why would I prefer to help provide for many who aren't willing to do what it takes to provide for themselves?

In an ideal world there would people who can empathize to the moon and pay 50% tax to help people if they want, separated from people like me who wouldn't give them a penny if I had a choice.

This post is fundamentally flawed. The example used is healthcare. If you needed a major surgery or heavy medication could you do the operation on yourself? Could you create the medicine you need from scratch? I didn't think so.

I know, you'll tell us how you work hard so that you can afford insurance and/or those procedures. And I'll tell you that the cost of healthcare has skyrocked in our lifetimes and if we did nothing about it and continue to do nothing about it there will be a point where you can't afford it either. You'll also continue to ignore how we got to a place were we have the medical and technological advances that make saving lives possible.

And then what? Suddenly your argument about doing things yourself makes no sense, right? The conversation is about creating a system that provides affordable healthcare to everyone, not who works hard vs who is lazy.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I think the issue is really what is the “middle class” my wife and I earned 300k+ jointly in 2018 and we’re not living the high life. I would say I’d be comfortable with raising taxes on 400k+ joint earners but below that doesn’t feel right.

 

[Ortegoat]

individualism is a great concept, but not when it doesnt recognise the collective which has created the enviroment for that individualism.

Societies cant function properly if everyone is only interested in lining their own pockets and not giving a fuck about their fellow citizens

What about the invisible hand? Econ much?

 

[BudKing8806]

Just in case TS is not picking up on the sarcasm in here the ACA raised taxes on high income earners. For example, the investment tax and payroll tax only applies to capital gains/incomes exceeding $200k or $250k if married. And obviously some of the tax credits reduce taxes.

ACA also made my wife's insurance rate go up by over 100%. Which of course we couldn't afford, so she had to go without. Really helpful there huh?

 

[nac386]

I for one do not care about other people’s children. It’s their parents responsibility to look after their own and pay their own fucking way

Most people care about the well being of children, even if they are not your own. It's kind of instinctual for most human beings.

 

[kpt018]

ACA also made my wife's insurance rate go up by over 100%. Which of course we couldn't afford, so she had to go without. Really helpful there huh?

No it didn't. And if you're low enough income (meaning you can't afford healthcare) it's free under the ACA. So you're lying or not smart enough to look into it.

I was talking to Monkey in general, not just only healthcare.

But yes you are correct, eight years ago I could not afford any of it. But guess what? I didn't make excuses about what I cannot do and look for someone to bail me out. I got my **** together, improved my situation massively, in places where others are in the exact same spot that I knew them eight years ago. That is their fault, and they only have themselves to blame.

As for the ending, I don't care about price. If I myself one day cannot afford something, then I would only have myself to blame for not making the decisions needed prior to that. If there is a system that healthcare is perfectly affordable for everyone without removing it massively from my pockets I'm all for it. Until then, I could care less about helping those "in need" when most of those won't even help themselves.

Ok, so you didn't read what I wrote. I am telling you there are factors that are totally out of your control that can lead to your failure to be able to afford healthcare. You position here is flawed because you ignore those facts and just assume it's entirely within an individual's control. It isn't.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

What about the invisible hand? Econ much?

are you comparing economics of today to economics of 1776?

let me guess, you are a libertarian?

 

[BudKing8806]

This post is fundamentally flawed. The example used is healthcare. If you needed a major surgery or heavy medication could you do the operation on yourself? Could you create the medicine you need from scratch? I didn't think so.

I know, you'll tell us how you work hard so that you can afford insurance and/or those procedures. And I'll tell you that the cost of healthcare has skyrocked in our lifetimes and if we did nothing about it and continue to do nothing about it there will be a point where you can't afford it either. You'll also continue to ignore how we got to a place were we have the medical and technological advances that make saving lives possible.

And then what? Suddenly your argument about doing things yourself makes no sense, right? The conversation is about creating a system that provides affordable healthcare to everyone, not who works hard vs who is lazy.

No one gives a fuck about lazy people. And to respond to your quote of me. Fuck you and your mother. You don't have a fucking clue. Carry on being a dumbass though by all means.