Are Anabolic Steroids worth it?

Honestly TS if sex is the goal then you would probably benefit more from selling steroids than taking them

Selling would lead to social interaction hence better social skills which would increase possibility of sexual intercourse with the opposite or same sex.

So you really believe social skills and approach matters ? More than looks and muscles ?
What should he compete in? The Incelympics?
He's 22 and hasn't done a thing so far.

Nothing incel at all in my book or explanations

We can't tell you what to do, but please be careful with AAS, you seem like a prime candidate for unsafe dosages and nasty side-effects, especially psychological ones when coming off cycle.

How do you know what women want? How did all the men in the past find partners, even though they're not good-looking and/or rich? Have you ever considered just becoming gay? That's easy mode for most men, at least in metropolitan areas in the western world.

Doesn’t mean they got average to hot girls in their bed. No I ain’t gay and also

Most woman care about looks for biology reasons and money cuz of lifestyle

Unless I am missing something
 
If you really are going to rant about biology, chicks want a dude that will give them the best probability of protection and survival. Humans are social animals. In the modern world, the guy most likely to provide these things is socially intelligent, charismatic, successful in his field, ambitious, influential, comfortable around other people, entertaining to be around, etc, more than he is just jacked. Or at least is able to bullshit enough to seem like he could have these traits from the outside. Why do you think chicks cream their pants over twink-looking musicians, actors, etc.

A bodybuilder that lacks social skills, gets nervous around women, and is broke, isn't going to be particularly successful with girls. And yes, being in shape will help attraction, of course, but once you're in above-average shape, there are diminishing returns in that area. And you can get in way-above-average shape without the roids lol, while saving money and a litany of health issues down the line.

It seems like the reason that you want to take gear is that you are very insecure with women and want to take some shortcut. In reality, you should address the root cause of your inscurities. Working out will help your confidence and will be good for your physical health, but taking shit won't add much to the equation, unless you have a nerdy interest in lifting and bodybuilding for their own sake (and there's nothing wrong with that, many of us here have that, but you seem kinda clueless about it). And even then you should wait until much later. So you can address (2) without the gear, just by lifting regularly and fixing your diet.

With that said, if you do decide to take gear, please document the whole process here so we can have some laughs.
 
If you really are going to rant about biology, chicks want a dude that will give them the best probability of protection and survival. Humans are social animals. In the modern world, the guy most likely to provide these things is socially intelligent, charismatic, successful in his field, ambitious, influential, comfortable around other people, entertaining to be around, etc, more than he is just jacked. Or at least is able to bullshit enough to seem like he could have these traits from the outside. Why do you think chicks cream their pants over twink-looking musicians, actors, etc.

A bodybuilder that lacks social skills, gets nervous around women, and is broke, isn't going to be particularly successful with girls. And yes, being in shape will help attraction, of course, but once you're in above-average shape, there are diminishing returns in that area. And you can get in way-above-average shape without the roids lol, while saving money and a litany of health issues down the line.

It seems like the reason that you want to take gear is that you are very insecure with women and want to take some shortcut. In reality, you should address the root cause of your inscurities. Working out will help your confidence and will be good for your physical health, but taking shit won't add much to the equation, unless you have a nerdy interest in lifting and bodybuilding for their own sake (and there's nothing wrong with that, many of us here have that, but you seem kinda clueless about it). So you can address (2) without the gear, just by lifting regularly and fixing your diet.

With that said, if you do decide to take gear, please document the whole process here so we can have some laughs.

Protection = physical and economic attributes

They are about these guys cuz of their fame and status not about anything else. Remember that chicks are incredibly selective

You say gear is just a dumb idiotic thing for vanity purposes?

Insecure ? Maybe but about looks cuz I need that to improve to get in better shape or better facially
 
Completely false. Woman would want to be with someone based off his looks, alone.
Incorrect. Girls want to be with someone solely based on their looks, not women.

If you really are going to rant about biology, chicks want a dude that will give them the best probability of protection and survival. Humans are social animals. In the modern world, the guy most likely to provide these things is socially intelligent, charismatic, successful in his field, ambitious, influential, comfortable around other people, entertaining to be around, etc, more than he is just jacked. Or at least is able to bullshit enough to seem like he could have these traits from the outside. Why do you think chicks cream their pants over twink-looking musicians, actors, etc.

A bodybuilder that lacks social skills, gets nervous around women, and is broke, isn't going to be particularly successful with girls. And yes, being in shape will help attraction, of course, but once you're in above-average shape, there are diminishing returns in that area. And you can get in way-above-average shape without the roids lol, while saving money and a litany of health issues down the line.

It seems like the reason that you want to take gear is that you are very insecure with women and want to take some shortcut. In reality, you should address the root cause of your inscurities. Working out will help your confidence and will be good for your physical health, but taking shit won't add much to the equation, unless you have a nerdy interest in lifting and bodybuilding for their own sake (and there's nothing wrong with that, but you seem kinda clueless about it). So you can address (2) without the gear, just by lifting regularly and fixing your diet.

With that said, if you do decide to take gear, please document the whole process here so we can have some laughs.
100% this. Girls that focus that much on looks and steroid muscles aren't the type you want.

Your 100% better off working on yourself (Career, people skills, hobby's/interest, sense of humor, knowledge).
 
So you really believe social skills and approach matters ? More than looks and muscles ?


Nothing incel at all in my book or explanations



Doesn’t mean they got average to hot girls in their bed. No I ain’t gay and also

Most woman care about looks for biology reasons and money cuz of lifestyle

Unless I am missing something

Well look at average people on street, not particularly handsome or beatiful and still most do get laid at some point in life, problems tend to begin if you are below so called "average"

Not everyone can be a womanizer but most people generally do come around someone who can hang with them once in a while.
 
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22, just trained a bit.

You think it ain’t worth the risk?
I hear this all the time: juicing will motivate me! No it won’t. There’s a lot of health risk involved and it’s not as simple as going on and off. This is your hormone system. You go on and then crash off. This can be mitigated with post cycle stuff that you can read up on anywhere but you are not at a stage where this is necessary. Hell I have to take trt to get to your level of test you’re making right now. You need to have been lifting consistently for at least a year or two before this should even enter your brain.
 
Well look at average people on street, not particularly handsome or beatiful and still most do get laid at some point in life, problems tend to begin if you are below so called "average"

Not everyone can be a womanizer but most people generally do come around someone who can hang with them once in a while.

Once in a while you mean 2/3 times a year?

haven’t been called ugly but I do not like myself so thinking on steroids or surgery as a way to improve. Very drastic measures

I hear this all the time: juicing will motivate me! No it won’t. There’s a lot of health risk involved and it’s not as simple as going on and off. This is your hormone system. You go on and then crash off. This can be mitigated with post cycle stuff that you can read up on anywhere but you are not at a stage where this is necessary. Hell I have to take trt to get to your level of test you’re making right now. You need to have been lifting consistently for at least a year or two before this should even enter your brain.

Oh I see
Incorrect. Girls want to be with someone solely based on their looks, not women.


100% this. Girls that focus that much on looks and steroid muscles aren't the type you want.

Your 100% better off working on yourself (Career, people skills, hobby's/interest, sense of humor, knowledge).

Most are like that. Unfortunately.

How would that work if they see me and judge by looks and face
 
Prove that personality is a factor. When every data says looks is #1.

You can keep gains btw if you PCT and diet/train properly. You only lose water.

I think it’s better to train natty for a while and then start roids, maybe?


I basically do all of that, plus considering to getting under the knife / fillers.

I even drive a nice car atm. Wouldn’t be muscles and a lean physique cherry on top?

So you think I am gambling with my health and future for vanity purposes?
You can't make gains without steroids lol. When you stop using them. Those gains will go with them bud. 4 - 6 months and you'll be back being a skinny little dork. If you even make gains ont he juice anyway.
You just have the personality and the presence of a potato. If you can't get girls that's on your personality unless you truly are hideously ugly.
 
It's obvious he's not looking for advice: he's already decided to juice and wants validation.

His statement that he's looking for an easy time at the gym was so dumb it made me wince. The whole point of gear is to speed up recovery, which in turn allows you to train harder.

Agree about the personality thing. I got Matt Best's, Thank You For My Service as a Christmas present. On his first leave after Ranger training, Best was nailing girls who wouldn't even talk to him in high school. He said this wasn't so much because he was in great shape from the Army training, although he was, but had more to do with his increased self-confidence and maturity.
Confidence is the key, but having a personality that makes you seem confident but not a douche is the way.
 
Protection = physical and economic attributes

They are about these guys cuz of their fame and status not about anything else. Remember that chicks are incredibly selective

You say gear is just a dumb idiotic thing for vanity purposes?

Insecure ? Maybe but about looks cuz I need that to improve to get in better shape or better facially

Gear is for guys obsessed with training, who are willing to take some serious health risks to see how far their bodies can possibly go. That's pretty much all it is for.

How bad is your face? Post some pics so we can really see what we're working with.
 

For real. Research what the gear does to you long term. I'm 40 years old and changed added quite a bit of muscle just lifting weights for 3 months and eating more eggs and drinking alot of milk.... I'm middle aged working class ugly dude and I get ok play from women. Try going out without your hair greased and a can of ax body spray on in the close you would wear to work. Smile at girls buy them a drink, be nice and listen to them and not brag about yourself.. workout and eat right for yourself and your health. Steroids aren't the answer your looking for their kid.
 
Ok. My main reason to do it is;

  1. Wanna get the ladies asap
  2. More confidence
  3. Easy time at the gym
  4. Got no time to waste anymore
  5. high testosterone
I am thinking on keep training natty for a while and doing a test + Anavar cycle.

500mg + 20mg

Counters for sides: dutasteride, ru, Minoxodil (hair) MK677 (hair and skin) accutane (acne) and HCG (testicles).

Also run proper bloodwork and PCT.

3 months cycle. Gonna obviously do it another 1-2 times because it’s incredibly hard to do only one cycle.

It is a good idea to run it straight away and get a good physique or some mass? I'm not the best at training or making gains.

So, since I am tired and I wanna pull girls as fast as possible, I am heavily considering to start blasting steroids

No Tren, winstrol etc but considered deca, SARMs and dbol.
TS this thread needs some pics. You can't be asking these questions without a before pic to start from.
 
Its not worth it. You will get gains and increased confidence but when you go off the cycle the you will eventually loose the gains and feel even less confident then. Women dont even care about big muscles. If you have problem getting ladies, you probably have problem in the looks maxxing and confidence department. Buy nice clothes, parfume, work out (naturally), have good grooming,maybe get some nice tattoos on your arms (its been proven that people with tattoos have higher self esteem), and most important, learn how to communicate with women good. Look at youtube channels like austin dunham, how to beast, bartek self improves, alpha m. and etc
Source on people with tats having higher self-esteem?
 
Source on people with tats having higher self-esteem?
I dont know mate i think i heard it on tv or somewhere. And from personal expirience. I dont have evidence but if you search you might find some
 
You should ask people to rate you on r/truerateme on reddit. They will give you a fairly accurate assessment of your facial features.

Most of the time facial features come down to strong bone structure, strong jaw features, being healthy weight, having healthy skin, having a flattering haircut, etc.

Most women prefer guys who are in good/athletic shape but not roidheads. There are exceptions but most women do not want to date a roided out Jay Cutler. As others have already stated, most of the success with women comes down to having a personality and confidence. Being interesting helps(being well traveled, broadly knowledgeable, broad interesting hobbies). Being able to tell stories or anecdotes helps(this falls under charisma). Being funny helps(you don't necessarily have to know jokes but you should be fairly perceptive of the world around you). However most people think of all these things as 'personality'.
 
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You can't make gains without steroids lol. When you stop using them. Those gains will go with them bud. 4 - 6 months and you'll be back being a skinny little dork. If you even make gains ont he juice anyway.
You just have the personality and the presence of a potato. If you can't get girls that's on your personality unless you truly are hideously ugly.

What? You lose the water and bloat but mantain the rest if you diet and train properly after.

Also, I ain’t NT (adhd) so idk if that’s the issue. I think it’s looks; but I have not been called very ugly either.

You should ask people to rate you on r/truerateme on reddit. They will give you a fairly accurate assessment of your facial features.

Most of the time facial features come down to strong bone structure, strong jaw features, being healthy weight, having healthy skin, having a flattering haircut, etc.

Most women prefer guys who are in good/athletic shape but not roidheads. There are exceptions but most women do not want to date a roided out Jay Cutler. As others have already stated, most of the success with women comes down to having a personality and confidence. Being interesting helps(being well traveled, broadly knowledgeable, broad interesting hobbies). Being able to tell stories or anecdotes helps(this falls under charisma). Being funny helps(you don't necessarily have to know jokes but you should be fairly perceptive of the world around you). However most people think of all these things as 'personality'.

I'm NW 1.5-2, good jaw, decent skin and features. Not good eye area though.

Cutler would pull woman cuz of his fame and muscles by the way. Terrible example. Being said, a natty good physique or just muscular one is hard as hell to do.

Confidence and personality? Seems a myth. It’s looks! Signals good genetics and signals healthy factors.

Got rated 5-5.5 on that. Average to very slightly above avg.

Gear is for guys obsessed with training, who are willing to take some serious health risks to see how far their bodies can possibly go. That's pretty much all it is for.

How bad is your face? Post some pics so we can really see what we're working with.

I won’t post my face pics here but if you can telegram me I’ll do. Being said, you think gear is for experienced guys not for a short cut?


For real. Research what the gear does to you long term. I'm 40 years old and changed added quite a bit of muscle just lifting weights for 3 months and eating more eggs and drinking alot of milk.... I'm middle aged working class ugly dude and I get ok play from women. Try going out without your hair greased and a can of ax body spray on in the close you would wear to work. Smile at girls buy them a drink, be nice and listen to them and not brag about yourself.. workout and eat right for yourself and your health. Steroids aren't the answer your looking for their kid.

Cuz 30 year and above woman far easier to pull than prime woman 18-25 which I am currently dealing with. Also I am trying to lookmax as well.
 

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