• Xenforo Cloud is upgrading us to version 2.3.8 on Monday February 16th, 2026 at 12:00 AM PST. Expect a temporary downtime during this process. More info here

Are Americans falling behind in MMA?

Status
Not open for further replies.
arcadeperfect said:
Nice job cherry picking his 2 losses instead of the 22 times he's won. Stipe boxed in the Golden Gloves and was a NCAA Div 1 wrestler prior to becoming an mma fighter. Jon Jones was also a wrestler by trade before embarking on his mma journey. Not only did Jones improve his skillset tremendously, he's a true definition of a mma fighter, adding numerous weapons to his arsenal and keeping an open mind, something that most people don't/can't do.
Click to expand...

if DC had trained in shooto from the start [instead of "gluing" martial arts to wrestling] he would have been a better striker
 
-guerilla- said:
if DC had trained in shooto from the start [instead of "gluing" martial arts to wrestling] he would have been a better striker
Click to expand...
He'd also be a noticeably worse wrestler, and given his body type it'd probably do him a disservice. By that logic any fighter that trained in shooto should be invincible, but that clearly wasn't the case. Martial arts are no different than school subjects, sports, or any other hobby. People usually gravitate towards one and have a talent for a certain area. Your argument is better suited towards the one dimensional fighters. Askren or Ronda never truly learned the other aspects of mma and forever remained a flawed fighter.
 
Not sure what you mean, we have tons of 'MMA' gyms here. Very few BJJ schools. I think the thing is Americans that have the athletic ability probably choose other sports at the moment. Not sure you can get your college paid for by MMA or BJJ, thats why you see a lot of the wrestling Americans enter MMA.
 
arcadeperfect said:
He'd also be a noticeably worse wrestler, and given his body type it'd probably do him a disservice. By that logic any fighter that trained in shooto should be invincible, but that clearly wasn't the case. Martial arts are no different than school subjects, sports, or any other hobby. People usually gravitate towards one and have a talent for a certain area. Your argument is better suited towards the one dimensional fighters. Askren or Ronda never truly learned the other aspects of mma and forever remained a flawed fighter.
Click to expand...

IF we had shooto, wrestling and boxing in all public schools from what sport would the best mma fighters come from??
 
gevoudane said:
Not sure what you mean, we have tons of 'MMA' gyms here. Very few BJJ schools. I think the thing is Americans that have the athletic ability probably choose other sports at the moment. Not sure you can get your college paid for by MMA or BJJ, thats why you see a lot of the wrestling Americans enter MMA.
Click to expand...

link one of these "MMA" gyms and I will show you how they dont train in mma exclusively
 
-guerilla- said:
IF we had shooto, wrestling and boxing in all public schools from what sport would the best mma fighters come from??
Click to expand...
That's three combat sports and the opportunity to train them in their purest form. The best mma fighters would probably still be wrestling since most American kids gravitate towards it, especially the parents.
 
-guerilla- said:
link one of these "MMA" gyms and I will show you how they dont train in mma exclusively
Click to expand...

Not exclusively, but they train their BJJ differently then if you were at a BJJ school. Most of them here have even abandoned the Gi and change technique to better fit MMA.
 
krelianx said:
Americans are falling behind in the sense that we’re getting great non American athletes. However America is not falling behind. All those great non American athletes like Ngannou and Khabib train in America. The best gyms are taking all those great athletes and the evolution of training methods takes place in America.
Click to expand...
No, just a desparate search for talent w/o investing in it.

krelianx said:
Japan used to have top of the line training but they didn’t keep up with the sports evolution and now they’re 4 generations behind, still training like the lions den but with no weight cutting.
Click to expand...
Don't know about MMA in Japan, but Judo's great as ever, and universal in practice. Trouble is for MMA, one has to invest the time & effort beyond that BJJ/Wild / "MuayThai" style. ???

krelianx said:
Brazil used to have great training but now they’re 2 generations behind, still training guys to use that outdated BJJ/ Wild “Muay Thai” style.
Click to expand...
Brazil & the Gracie boys were always over-rated. I think there is a quality quotient that's being missed.

krelianx said:
America stands alone at the top.
Click to expand...
{<Mcgoat}Hokay. All aboard.{<Mcgoat}
 
Congo66 said:
And then give it all to an Irishman.
This thread is complete nonsense but your point doesn't work. All the PPV money comes from Americans and it's given to a Russian and an Irishman with some of the 1% in the US taking the rest of it.
It's not making you richer.
Click to expand...

I understand what you’re saying and I wish it made me richer. All fighters pay taxes when they fight on US soil. I agree this thread is nonsense.
 
TommyGunz said:
I understand what you’re saying and I wish it made me richer. All fighters pay taxes when they fight on US soil. I agree this thread is nonsense.
Click to expand...

Did you read the Op?

Doesn't sound like it
 
Fioretti said:
Wtf...
Click to expand...

That means as martial arts get kicked out of public infrastructure like community centers police stations and public parks the only place left is the private business practice in the strip mall

Private business has a very different attitude about martial arts and Combat Sports then public infrastructure
 
There’s Ebs and flows in MMA. Metas and such. Americans are well represented but they don’t need to sit there and hold multiple titles to not fall behind. There’s a strong American presence in MMA. There’s a whole world out there. Why is it surprising that we have diversity of greatness? I don’t take it as any threat. I love it.
 
StanClarker said:
<Oku02>The only problem is you get paid to do this....<Oku01>
Click to expand...

It almost seemed like you were making a rational point for once

Who knows what that was

Something about "paid"
 
Last edited:
MarleyLynx said:
There’s Ebs and flows in MMA. Metas and such. Americans are well represented but they don’t need to sit there and hold multiple titles to not fall behind. There’s a strong American presence in MMA. There’s a whole world out there. Why is it surprising that we have diversity of greatness? I don’t take it as any threat. I love it.
Click to expand...

Well I've been involved in Combat Sports for about 30 years now and I can tell you that America's representation across-the-board is dropping Like a Stone

You should check out my America can't win series

They're all neatly encapsulated in this o p

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...omination-of-mma-is-on-your-doorstep.4070851/
 
TommyGunz said:
I understand what you’re saying and I wish it made me richer. All fighters pay taxes when they fight on US soil. I agree this thread is nonsense.
Click to expand...

You think it's nonsense that America has 33% of the top 50 rated athletes in heavyweight?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
1,281,477
Messages
58,370,655
Members
176,014
Latest member
Tweizvenh

Share this page

Back
Top