Are Americans falling behind in MMA?

[-guerilla-]

Cuz it's offered at school for free in America. Why the hell would you pay to go to a wrestling gym when you can learn it at school for free, AND have guaranteed quality instruction with regular competitions?

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

 

[arcadeperfect]

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-real-reason-wrestlers-dominate-the-ufc-american-mma.3959991/

Offered for free at school = your post.

 

[-guerilla-]

If you need to improve on a certain skill set then it helps to train the art individually. If you're struggling with grappling, then you should probably devote a certain amount of time each day to just learning grappling.

because you will be taught by a BJJist or WERSTLER who dont know striking so they will hang out in suicidal positions in blissful ignorance

AND

the "striking instructor wont know dick about grappling and their instruction will leave you open to takedowns

Striaght MMA instruction is about as profitable as a boxing club [NOT]

"A LA CARTE" MARTIAL ARTS IS A FREAKING GOLDMINE!!!!

"GLUING" a bunch of styles together will NEVER be as good as regular old MMA

Pankration or Shooto is what you should be training

NOT bjj wrestling and kikboxin "glued" together by someone who is primarily worried about profit and liability

 

[arcadeperfect]

because you will be taught by a BJJist or WERSTLER who dont know striking so they will hang out in suicidal positions in blissful ignorance

AND

the "striking instructor wont know dick about grappling and their instruction will leave you open to takedowns

Striaght MMA instruction is about as profitable as a boxing club [NOT]

"A LA CARTE" MARTIAL ARTS IS A FREAKING GOLDMINE!!!!

"GLUING" a bunch of styles together will NEVER be as good as regular old MMA

Pankration or Shooto is what you should be training

NOT bjj wrestling and kikboxin "glued" together by someone who is primarily worried about profit and liability

How do you think Adesanya became so good at striking? Or Wonderboy? How did DC become such a good wrestler? How did Maia become a master of BJJ? In order for you to have a specialty, ace in the hole, you need to train in a discipline in its purest form. THEN you do MMA to cover all bases and remove whatever holes you had in your game. If you just train like a generic MMA fighter from the get-go you'll be just another run of the mill fighter. You'll be a mediocre striker and grappler ultimately.

 

[-guerilla-]

Offered for free at school = your post.

great minds think alike

The fact is wrestling is America's last publicly-funded combat sport

back in the good old days you could find boxing Judo wrestling and all kinds of martial arts at the local community center or school

Today between pcbs and liability fear Combat Sports are being kicked to the curb like never before

What used to be a publicly-funded sport is now relegated to the strip mall we're prophet and liability take precedent

My MMA Club was at a publicly-funded community center

And you may have heard of this guy who got his start in boxing at the local Louisville Community Center where I was lucky enough to learn boxing from some of the same guys

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Ellis_(boxer)

 

[-guerilla-]

How do you think Adesanya became so good at striking? Or Wonderboy? How did DC become such a good wrestler? How did Maia become a master of BJJ? In order for you to have a specialty, ace in the hole, you need to train in a discipline in its purest form. THEN you do MMA to cover all bases and remove whatever holes you had in your game. If you just train like a generic MMA fighter from the get-go you'll be just another run of the mill fighter. You'll be a mediocre striker and grappler ultimately.

couldn't disagree more

give me any of those athletes trained from birth under MMA exclusively and they will whoop any other version of themselves

Taekwondo is the greatest kicking art ever devised

Boxing is by far the best development of hands

Spend three years learning Taekwondo and three learn Years Learning boxing and then try your hand at Muay Thai

 

[eternaldarkness]

because you will be taught by a BJJist or WERSTLER who dont know striking so they will hang out in suicidal positions in blissful ignorance

AND

the "striking instructor wont know dick about grappling and their instruction will leave you open to takedowns

Striaght MMA instruction is about as profitable as a boxing club [NOT]

"A LA CARTE" MARTIAL ARTS IS A FREAKING GOLDMINE!!!!

"GLUING" a bunch of styles together will NEVER be as good as regular old MMA

Pankration or Shooto is what you should be training

NOT bjj wrestling and kikboxin "glued" together by someone who is primarily worried about profit and liability

Been saying this for ages.

 

[eternaldarkness]

How do you think Adesanya became so good at striking? Or Wonderboy? How did DC become such a good wrestler? How did Maia become a master of BJJ? In order for you to have a specialty, ace in the hole, you need to train in a discipline in its purest form. THEN you do MMA to cover all bases and remove whatever holes you had in your game. If you just train like a generic MMA fighter from the get-go you'll be just another run of the mill fighter. You'll be a mediocre striker and grappler ultimately.

Not if the striking and grappling is taught at a high level.

 

[arcadeperfect]

couldn't disagree more

give me any of those athletes trained from birth under MMA exclusively and they will whoop any other version of themselves

Taekwondo is the greatest kicking art ever devised

Boxing is by far the best development of hands

Spend three years learning Taekwondo and three learn Years Learning boxing and then try your hand at Muay Thai

How would a generic version of DC beat the current one? A generic DC doesn't have the wrestling threat anymore. Those two arts you mentioned would make a nasty striker in mma especially if the person has the talent. MMA and Muay Thai differ since MMA isn't really a definitive style like Muay Thai. You have way more creativity and diversity in MMA to the point where you have drastically different styles, aka Khabib and Izzy.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Not if the striking and grappling is taught at a high level.

That's a big if, and the chances of that aren't great. I'm not saying to be one dimensional like Askren. It's just a good idea to have an ace up your sleeve in MMA. An area where you're confident that no one can really beat you. People still struggle with fighting Wonderboy simply because they can't deal with a diverse kicking arsenal, and WB knows this.

 

[-guerilla-]

How would a generic version of DC beat the current one? A generic DC doesn't have the wrestling threat anymore. Those two arts you mentioned would make a nasty striker in mma especially if the person has the talent. MMA and Muay Thai differ since MMA isn't really a definitive style like Muay Thai. You have way more creativity and diversity in MMA to the point where you have drastically different styles, aka Khabib and Izzy.

lets talk science...

Take 2 identical clones

one does 4 years of shooto

one does 1 year boxing 1 year muay thai 1 year wrestling 1 year bjj

who wins a mma contest?

 

[arcadeperfect]

lets talk science...

Take 2 identical clones

one does 4 years of shooto

one does 1 year boxing 1 year muay thai 1 year wrestling 1 year bjj

who wins a mma contest?

Then explain how DC is so dominant? Explain how there are still specialists that don't just win, but dominate their competition. Wonderboy embarrassed Rory who's arguably the best example of the generic mma fighter and supposed "new breed." 1 year of training in each of those disciplines isn't remotely enough to be competent for most people.

 

[dayumlol]

lets talk science...

Take 2 identical clones

one does 4 years of shooto

one does 1 year boxing 1 year muay thai 1 year wrestling 1 year bjj

who wins a mma contest?

I would favour Lomachenko with basic TDD over pretty much any "MMA guy since day 1"

 

[-guerilla-]

Then explain how DC is so dominant? Explain how there are still specialists that don't just win, but dominate their competition. Wonderboy embarrassed Rory who's arguably the best example of the generic mma fighter and supposed "new breed." 1 year of training in each of those disciplines isn't remotely enough to be competent for most people.

*100% loss rate vs Iranian wrestlers in freestyle

nobody in america is pure MMA

 

[teamfox223]

So America is the land of the fake tits ?

 

[original doom]

top wrestlers who cant strike and strikers who cant wrestle.

D1 wrestling flops.

 

[-guerilla-]

I would favour Lomachenko with basic TDD over pretty much any "MMA guy since day 1"

especially in modern mma where all you have to do is stall from the inferior grappling position and the ref will stand you up so you can take a few more reckless shots at your opponent

 

[-guerilla-]

So America is the land of the fake tits ?

the land of busine$$

no more silly PUBLIC sports opportunities...meanwhile in Russia

 

[arcadeperfect]

*100% loss rate vs Iranian wrestlers in freestyle

nobody in america is pure MMA

Nice job cherry picking his 2 losses instead of the 22 times he's won. Stipe boxed in the Golden Gloves and was a NCAA Div 1 wrestler prior to becoming an mma fighter. Jon Jones was also a wrestler by trade before embarking on his mma journey. Not only did Jones improve his skillset tremendously, he's a true definition of a mma fighter, adding numerous weapons to his arsenal and keeping an open mind, something that most people don't/can't do.

 

[-guerilla-]

top wrestlers who cant strike and strikers who cant wrestle.

D1 wrestling flops.

why not train both at the same time?