Are Americans falling behind in MMA?

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Lemmy Caution said:
No sport on elite level is suitable for the average person. It's simply not possible to have a day job and train like elite athletes at the same time. If you train as hard as elite athletes, your body needs lots of rest. You don't get enough rest if you also work 8hrs a day. You can do it for a couple of years. Then your body is shot, because you never gave it time to recover and heal.
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That's a fact professional athletes are always going to outperform the jabronies.
 
Paul Harvey said:
8 Championship Belts on the Men's Side - 6 are in the hands of US athletes

4 Championship Belts on the Women's Side - 1 is in the hands of a US athlete

7 out of 12 UFC belts controlled by the USA. No other country has more than 1. If the USA is losing, who the fuck is winning?

What a dumb post.
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Nothing to be proud of though. I mean UFC is an American company and was started in America so obviously Americans will be most dominant. It’s still taking time for the rest of the world to catch on to.

Slowly we will see less American champions and things will become more balanced. Similar to boxing.

The biggest stars in Mma have not been Americans. Except Jon Jones
 
-guerilla- said:
7 of 12....
So we don't dominate it..
And
We really fail in the grappling sports of judo and wrestling
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Hornett said:
Nothing to be proud of though. I mean UFC is an American company and was started in America so obviously Americans will be most dominant. It’s still taking time for the rest of the world to catch on to.

Slowly we will see less American champions and things will become more balanced. Similar to boxing.
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9 of the 12 championships are in the hands of fighters who live and train full-time in the US, and one of the three that doesn't (Khabib) still trains part-time in the US.
 
Rex Kwon Do said:
America does great at the Olympics and has the worst (i.e. essentially non-existent) state support in the entire world. Soon-to-be Olympic gold medalists work in Starbuck's to afford a place to live so they can train their asses off to rep their country. And despite having to concern themselves with paying the bills, they still kill it (especially) at the Summer Olympics every 4 years.

So no, lack of state support has never held back Americans from athletic excellence.
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That Nike sponsorship of everything though.
 
Damon3388 said:
9 of the 12 championships are in the hands of fighters who live and train full-time in the US, and one of the three that doesn't (Khabib) still trains part-time in the US.
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Why reply to my comment and write that? Did you even read my comment?

You missed the point I was making.
 
Hornett said:
Why reply to my comment and write that? Did you even read my comment?

You missed the point I was making.
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Well, the US is still the hub of the sport, either by birth or for training.

I'm not sure where this notion that other countries are surpassing the US comes from TBH.
 
Arne Rud said:
Dont think so
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American participants in LAST 4 UFC events:

UFC 231
7/18

UFC 232
9/18

UFC 233
Canceled

UFC 234
4/18



American participation in FIRST 4 UFC events:

UFC 1
the only 2 foreign fighters DOMINATE the entire field

UFC 2
6/16 ...1st rd
3/8 ...2nd rd
2/4 ...3rd rd
1/2 final round +championship

UFC 3
only 2 of 8 fighters are foreign and injury withdrawals result in steve jennum winning this tournament in impressive fashion [USA's 1ST ufc champ]

UFC 4
With only 2 foreign athletes entering the first round royce dominates the entire field and cruises to the championship finishing 2 strikers and wrestler dan severn to win the tournament



...the whole point of this thread is to highlight the fact that foreign fighters are today and have had a disproportionate level of participation in AMERICAS BIGGEST MMA TOURNAMENT.

ALSO consider the fact that modern americans FAIL miserably in most combat sports like boxing, wrestling, Judo and Sambo.

ALSO consider the fact that we have the biggest population of people that have the time and money to participate in athletics and are by far the wealthiest country in the world.

the hard simple fact is that modern americans (pound for pound) are very poor fighters.

we are big, strong, wealthy and have the best training facilities in the world, yet we dont dominate combat sports because of access.

throughout the country the vast majority of people have access ONLY to for profit, business minded training facilities whos #1 concern is LIABILITY, not producing great fighters. Only relatively privileged individuals have access to good martial arts training in this country....

meanwhile in the rest of the world there exists training facilities that allow combat athletes to train without the business liability monster stifling their progress and in many places there is actual tax support for facilities open to all...like the kodokan in Japan

meanwhile here's the corporate overlord making his pitch to take over whats left of america's "public" sports facilities and turn them into a profitable business
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/st...te-principles-to-community-sports-venues.html

https://reason.com/archives/2011/10/14/stop-funding-college-sports

what happened to scholastic boxing in the USA :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Boxing_Championship


meanwhile in france:
http://www.china.org.cn/opinion/2012-08/13/content_26222183.htm
"When a club's top athletes become eligible for competitions, it will receive huge subsidies from both central and local governments. The parent club of Riner's judo division, home to a large number of the country's top athletes, received half of its funds from the state and local government subsidies. Even the club's training facility, cars and computers are provided by the local government.

When global tournaments approach, the athletes who have previously been coached by their club will become part of the national team and all expenses will be met by the government."

meanwhile in russia:
https://news.theopenmat.com/international-wrestling/russian-dominance-soviet-union-today/58279
 
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-guerilla- said:
26 years ago no-holds-barred fighting was supposed to prove what the greatest martial art was, here we are today and I think the answer is pretty clear mixed martial arts as a style is superior to every other discipline ever created however I've noticed that the United States has fewer mixed martial arts gyms then I expected by now.

I expected mixed martial arts to take over the world but today if you search for MMA on Google Maps 99% of the results will be Brazilian jiu-jitsu gyms.

Royce Gracie was a Phenom No Doubt but we don't see anybody walking into the ring in a Jiu-Jitsu Gi nowadays however 99% of your training opportunities in 99% of America's hometowns is traditional Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

why has Brazilian jiu-jitsu dominated the the American martial arts market for so many years and it's almost impossible to find pure mixed martial arts as a style in most of America's towns?

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu doesn't have video games or TV shows or betting odds like MMA however it dominates the martial arts Marketplace!

I really feel like the rest of the world is leaving America in the dust and the fact that we are the biggest country with the best technology and the best athletes and still don't dominate the grappling Sports and MMA is a bit of a cluster.

In a lot of countries the state actually has free gymnasiums where people can go train in Combat Athletics meanwhile in America all our training opportunitys are private for-profit businesses who sweat liability and prioritize profits.

don't let the UFC rankings fool you,
I don't think the UFC has the best fighters in the world I think they put on the best fights in the world there's a difference!
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What?? USA is having there best years in Olympic wrestling today
 
Damon3388 said:
Well, the US is still the hub of the sport, either by birth or for training.

I'm not sure where this notion that other countries are surpassing the US comes from TBH.
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I agree with you. But I think in time mma will become more global and less US based. Which will mean there will be less top ranked US fighters and more top ranked fighters from many different nationalities. Kind of like how it is in boxing
 
UFC is dying.
Murica is dying.

Ngannou about to win the HW belt in a few fights. He back.. believe me he back.
Johnny Walker is the consensus #1 LHW in the world. JBJ just keeping his belt warm.
Whittaker is not going anywhere.
Marty Usman about to take the WW strap.
Khabib is going to dominate LW until he passes the torch to Islam.

145 and below? WMMA? Literally nobody cares.
 
DublinDanny said:
And the corporations can write off their donations in reduced tax claims, so it's indirect funding by the state. That's how neo liberalism works i.e. govts conniving for corporations to run more and more of society.
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The big Advantage is that your Democratic vote doesn't mean squat to the corporation so while they spend your tax dollars ( directly or indirectly) they are not beholden to your Democratic vote.

Plus it puts the politician in a fall-guy category...

one of these days you'll turn around to find that corporations run the show and the person you vote for is just a disposable figurehead that the corporations use as a plausible deniability prophylactic.

In countries that have their crap together like Japan they have the kodokan Judo Institute... research that and realize that we will never do something like that in America because the corporations are in control not your democratically-elected government...it's a psych job.... Reagan sold America to the corporations and they've been running it ever since.

The martial arts business is just that ...
a business.

During its ascendancy the government wanted its population to be fit strong and able to defend themselves during its decline governments seek to disarm the public because they're ultimately seen as a threat not an asset.
 
It feels that way because the UFC sells and promotes heritage and ethnicity for everyone except white American men.
 
I just find it amusing when people refer to "mixed martial arts" as a style or form within itself. It is literally a combination of BJJ, wrestling , boxing and kickboxing. It is not a style. No one simply "trains MMA."
 
Rex Kwon Do said:
America does great at the Olympics and has the worst (i.e. essentially non-existent) state support in the entire world. Soon-to-be Olympic gold medalists work in Starbuck's to afford a place to live so they can train their asses off to rep their country. And despite having to concern themselves with paying the bills, they still kill it (especially) at the Summer Olympics every 4 years.

So no, lack of state support has never held back Americans from athletic excellence.
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It seems to be that way. I mean, you have insanely focused people such as ice skaters, but they're training with privately financed coaches. There really isn't any federal or state support. Granted, there are a number of other things I'd like to see better financed in this country as well. ;D
 
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