Apple Products are Overpriced & Overrated.

[GSP_37]

No doubt. It’s actually crazy how easy they make it to have your entire life on a phone.

Not just that, but all the multifactor authentication shit tied to your phone. I just saw articles about some 180,000,000 passwords for various places hacked and leaked. How the fook does that happen?

 

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Not just that, but all the multifactor authentication shit tied to your phone. I just saw articles about some 180,000,000 passwords for various places hacked and leaked. How the fook does that happen?

You know, I always wondered that. What the fuck is the point of Keychain? Unless they’re that certain they aren’t getting hacked (doubtful).

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Apple make great products. Their quality control is top notch. They have always done an excellent job with product refinement. Something Microsoft and all of these pc competitors have failed to do. And most likely where the disconnect lies. Anybody can make a x86 PC and buy Microsoft licenses for said products.

The one thing I've never understood is why Microsoft never seriously pursued the hardware market until the last decade or so with surface tablets. Was it because you should stick to with what you are good at or did all of those Microsoft lawsuits play a part

I'm never own an Apple product. All of my Apple experience has been through company assets or support. My company sure does love buying us Apple stuff.

The reason why I don't own Apple is simply because I'm a cheap person and I hate Apples heavily restricted operating environment. It's kind of funny right? I just said their product has excellent quality control and product refinement after all.

 

[Contempt]

You have computer problem. You call tech support who doesn't know shit. They tell you reinstall operating system.

Also, I'm noticing Microsoft or computer manufacturer often does shit in the background using up tons of CPU and disk resources and you know by experiencing crippling slowdown and launch Task Manager to see for yourself. If you don't know it's doing critical shit and try to power down, I suspect OS files will and can get corrupted. I once had shit unreliable Spectrum internet and Windows Update files got corrupted and result was web browsers stopped working. I had to reinstall browser downloaded by different computer.

I guess I'm not the typical user. As soon as I get a new computer, I use tools like DoNotSpy11 and CCleaner to turn everything off and remove anything not entirely critical from even starting with Windows.

I guess if your tech support is completely retarded, they might just tell you to reinstall... but that's a really stupid solution.

 

[avenue94]

Who are these people?

They exist. It's a lot of MBP users at this point since the MBA is good enough for nearly every consumer user at this point. Only reason to get a MBP is if you need the actual horsepower for work.

I agree they are overpriced, but most brands are.

They are well made, and great for work machines and such. It just depends on what you want out of it really.

The base MBA at this point isn't really overpriced to be fair. Same with the Mac mini.

I have a problem with how much control apple has over their products. reminds me of ferrari controlling shenanigans with their cars.

Thats the tradeoff for the power efficiency of Apple silicon, albeit not the only reason Apple does that.

 

[avenue94]

Apple make great products. Their quality control is top notch. They have always done an excellent job with product refinement. Something Microsoft and all of these pc competitors have failed to do. And most likely where the disconnect lies. Anybody can make a x86 PC and buy Microsoft licenses for said products.

The one thing I've never understood is why Microsoft never seriously pursued the hardware market until the last decade or so with surface tablets. Was it because you should stick to with what you are good at or did all of those Microsoft lawsuits play a part

I'm never own an Apple product. All of my Apple experience has been through company assets or support. My company sure does love buying us Apple stuff.

The reason why I don't own Apple is simply because I'm a cheap person and I hate Apples heavily restricted operating environment. It's kind of funny right? I just said their product has excellent quality control and product refinement after all.

The main reason is PC hardware margins suck. Good margin on a desktop these days is mid to high single digit percentages, and notebooks and gaming is a couple points better.

Better for the bottom line to just take the easy OS license money. Not to mention Surface doesn't command enough volume to really benefit from economies of scale with ODMs.

 

[TeTe]

I've never owned an apple product in my life. I've used them in college and and some jobs and I hate the OS. Not to mention I mostly hate how incompatible they are with and software or hardware. You have to play in their little sandbox or GTFO.

 

[TeTe]

As I said, buy cheap buy twice.

Better off buying a surface laptop. I'm on same one for seven years with no issues. Then again it cost more than most apple laptops so it should

 

[fingercuffs]

They exist. It's a lot of MBP users at this point since the MBA is good enough for nearly every consumer user at this point. Only reason to get a MBP is if you need the actual horsepower for work.


The base MBA at this point isn't really overpriced to be fair. Same with the Mac mini.

Thats the tradeoff for the power efficiency of Apple silicon, albeit not the only reason Apple does that.

When I was selling machines into corporate land I'd say 5% I sold were Apple compared to Windows machines, they were generally sold into marketing/design departments. Eidos (Lara Croft) were a big customer so pretty much everything I sold to them was Apple but your general trading floor type company there was no need for them, so Windows tin was fine. As it ended up most big companies went Citrix type server based computing so there was no need for anything other than a box really.

I've been out of the industry for many years so I don't know what's up with that now. Husband runs a HP as his not work laptop for music programming which thinking about he doesn't complain too much about.

Of the Windows based machines I've had nightmares with over the decades I'll just trust faithful Apple, the initial cost if they last for yonks they pay for themselves.

 

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Better off buying a surface laptop. I'm on same one for seven years with no issues. Then again it cost more than most apple laptops so it should

Haha, since I bought a brand spankers MBP in 2004, the replacements have been refurbs so I'm not handing out thousands to be in this imaginary cult (not you saying that). The one I'm typing on now cost $600 and is a 2019 model which works perfectly.

When it comes to phones and tablets I couldn't ever imagine anything other than Nokia till they changed their OS and Motorolla were far sexier looking so that was a deal breaker till iphones happened in 2009. I don't want to own a phone to look nice, I just want it to work. My first tablet was a Samsung and it worked fine but I like the functionality of my ipads more. The battery life is insane too, I can fly from San Jose to Heathrow watching downloaded Netflix shows and not have to charge it.

 

[shorinryu86]

Apple products lost it's charm after the departure of Bill Jobs.

 

[Satur9]

Not sure what you all are doing to your PCs to have them crapping out al the time. I probably have 12 laptops/pcs/tablets, and 90% work, they are just outdated so sit around.

I use an Iphone, but that is it. I will say the Iphones I have owned over the years have NEVER given me an issue. Like ever. They just work as intended, every single time, so I stick with them. Can't see ever buying an Apple pc or whatever. Not worth it for me and what I use PCs for.

 

[Jack Reacheround]

I used to work in the tech industry, why wouldn't I?

Because they cost money, and you typically only need one. It’s not like you get a tech industry discount on computers.

 

[badascan]

Its worse than that too. Apple products don't allow freedom to modify or customize or explore programs as had previous tech companies which forces people into a narrow lane under the guise of ease of performance or worse, tribalism. This seems innocuous but repeated patterns over time become the norm and we lose perspective, causing harm... Remember when you could download an MP3, copy it onto a CD and an external hard drive then give it to a friend to copy and do the same? Etc, etc...

 

[StrikerKing]

I got my first iPhone just a few months ago, simply because my girlfriend and family have iPhones. I hate it and will be switching back to Samsung as soon as I can. I can’t believe the comments I often see about how iPhones are so easy to use. I was frankly shocked at how difficult so many things have been on the iPhone compared to Samsung, or require third party apps. Off the top of my head that I discovered almost immediately: Can’t organize apps alphabetically or by type (wtf that was the first thing I tried), no scrolling screen shots, cannot easily make collages from your android gallery, cannot easily turn videos into gifs, cannot easily change playback speed of recorded videos, hard to keep some media on the phone and some on the cloud. These were all features I regularly used on android. Oh and the camera, ugh I should have maybe got a google pixel pro because I use my sons for astrophotography and is easy to take RAW images. Pixel pros camera and software blows any iPhone out of the water (at least the night and astrophotography mode) overall been a huge disappointment.

 

[GSP_37]

One thing about Apple I like is if your device is too old and they stop OS updates for it, if there's some bad shit and because they know many users still use the old devices, they will make available OS updates after the obsolete date but just not the fluff updates. Almost unheard of for Microsoft.

 

[chardog]

I've never owned an apple product in my life. I've used them in college and and some jobs and I hate the OS. Not to mention I mostly hate how incompatible they are with and software or hardware. You have to play in their little sandbox or GTFO.

the sandboxes are wildly different between apple products, the phones iOS = appstore = heavy sandbox. laptops MacOS = relatively open, although you grant permissions like UAC..... MacOS version of UAC is much better as you can piecemeal stuff, kind of expect that from a windows machine rather than MacOS, and they are opposite that way.

MacOS is so open, that it works well enough in the business world, the company I work for pays big money for M$ licensing, and all of these items work on my Macbook, in fact work provides me one for testing/compatibility purposes, I have to make sure what I create is compatible, and I DO NOT KNOW how to code native Mac projects, but since VMware is normal these days, VPN's are normal, all of that stuff works quite well. Zero chance it works on an iphone.

the snipping tools, password managers, airdrop, all too convenient on a Mac and worth it to learn. I spend most of the times on a PC coding, but there are serious annoyances, like when folks send screenshots, and I cant copy the text. The PDF handler or lack of, I cant just put textboxes, I cant physically sign from my phone, I have to upload to googledrive and continue on my macbook, while the inverse is not true..... if work gave me a really powerful mac studio, I would switch, but for now, too cheap to, too lazy to import to get off my windows machine

 

[chardog]

One thing about Apple I like is if your device is too old and they stop OS updates for it, if there's some bad shit and because they know many users still use the old devices, they will make available OS updates after the obsolete date but just not the fluff updates. Almost unheard of for Microsoft.

chromebooks, microsoft, they're all the same with updates. I havent received updates for my windows machine in ages. With my macbooks, I can receive an entire OS update and go on about my day, it'll work. With a windows machine, I contemplate formatting the whole machine, shit is not going to be pretty with the update..... chromebooks are seriously underpowered, and works for most, but not good for advance users.

 

[TeTe]

chromebooks, microsoft, they're all the same with updates. I havent received updates for my windows machine in ages. With my macbooks, I can receive an entire OS update and go on about my day, it'll work. With a windows machine, I contemplate formatting the whole machine, shit is not going to be pretty with the update..... chromebooks are seriously underpowered, and works for most, but not good for advance users.

The one good thing about having a chromebook is the interoperability with my google phone. Otherwise its pretty subpar. It is a Lenovo though and is durable.

I've debated upgrading my surface laptop. But I don't feel like spending $1300 on a computer if I don't need it.

 

[avenue94]

When I was selling machines into corporate land I'd say 5% I sold were Apple compared to Windows machines, they were generally sold into marketing/design departments. Eidos (Lara Croft) were a big customer so pretty much everything I sold to them was Apple but your general trading floor type company there was no need for them, so Windows tin was fine. As it ended up most big companies went Citrix type server based computing so there was no need for anything other than a box really.

I've been out of the industry for many years so I don't know what's up with that now. Husband runs a HP as his not work laptop for music programming which thinking about he doesn't complain too much about.

Of the Windows based machines I've had nightmares with over the decades I'll just trust faithful Apple, the initial cost if they last for yonks they pay for themselves.

Yeah, Apple does decent business in enterprise given a lot of startups are dumb with money and just get macbooks for everyone. And the MBA is genuinely a solid value and product for most users. Otherwise, it's the 3 largest Windows OEMs.

The one good thing about having a chromebook is the interoperability with my google phone. Otherwise its pretty subpar. It is a Lenovo though and is durable.

I've debated upgrading my surface laptop. But I don't feel like spending $1300 on a computer if I don't need it.

You can spend almost half of that on a new Surface device at Best Buy, unless you really need a tablet or more oomph.