Opinion AOC = Trump of the Left.

 
She's a little nutty, too aggressive, uses hyperbole, too far left. She is very much like Trump but not nearly as stupid, arrogant, corrupt, obvious, childish, temperamental, broadly offensive, lacking in character, and smug.
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
This is nothing against AOC but did you know her starting pay is 175k a year? Maybe the first thing we can start with is not paying our politicians wages of that of a celebrity or high ranking executive. Politicians should be civil servants making the same wages as the average citizen they are serving. You combine with that with making lobbying illegal and then maybe you'll only get people that care running.
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$175k is not high ranking executive pay.....
 
JDragon said:
So I have finally got around to read and watch a little bit about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And my finding is she is essentially the Trump for Democrats. Here is why:

  • Like Trump, she is threatening the establishment of her party, but the voter base is enthusiastic. 74% of Democrats can imagine voting for her should she decide to run for President one day.
  • Like Trump, she is triggering the media of the opposite spectrum massively. Just like Trump manages to generate outrage via deliberate provocations, the right-wing media seems obsessed with her. Also people seem to defend AOC's statements by saying you don't need to take them literally - like Trump supporters do.
  • Both seem not to give fucks about the traditional political rulesets of their party regarding how to build a political career. And both don't care that their party establishment doesn't like them because they know the base does. Both also communicate with their base directly a lot.
  • Both seem to profit from the trend that competence, experience and knowledge seems to count for less and less. While she doesn't lie to the obsessive extent that Trump does, AOC also is hardly very reliant on facts (and her supporters don't seem to care).
  • Both Trump and AOC have shifted their party's political compass toward the extremes. Trump to the right, AOC to the left. The Republicans have become a nationalist, isolationist, xenophobic party under Trump. The Democrats are now actually discussing about 70 percent top income tax rate, abolishing ICE, and a radical green energy revolution (and tranny rights).
What say you, Sherdog?
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I'd say she represents every caveat that I issued to Republicans who supported Trump throughout 2015 and 2016. AOC's rise is the precise unfolding of my predictive warnings.
 
MC OverPressure said:
She's a little nutty, too aggressive, uses hyperbole, too far left. She is very much like Trump but not nearly as stupid, arrogant, corrupt, obvious, childish, temperamental, broadly offensive, lacking in character, and smug.
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What is the right amount of aggressive, precisely?
 
It’s funny how liberals were questioning trumps intelligence n criticizing conservatives who support him, n then they all support this character?!?

It seems it doesn’t matter how dumb or uninformed you are, as long as you say “nice things” today’s liberals will jump on the bandwagon.

She basically acts/talks/thinks like a 14 year old n ppl take her seriously...
 
franklinstower said:
Progressives such as myself like AOC for the same reason we like Bernie and it's not because she is young hispanic or a woman--- its only the policy positions that matter to us.
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Man, have some self respect...
 
chardog said:
Couldn’t have said it better. Sure, chances are, we can share many ideals, but coming off like an adolescent doesn’t help your case. I don’t even consider her radical, simply immature.

Find it hilarious that many in the war room think she’s the next best thing. She can definitely rally her base, but she’s missing major IQ points, I’m not talking a small amount either.
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I agree with many of her stances but as you said, she comes across as a child with no life experience. Many of her questionable policies like housing, college and jobs as a right are good on paper but how practical are they?

How do you pay for it other than saying "we just do"? It seems like our society and government would need to be completely overhauled for a lot of these ideas to happen. Good luck breaking through the status quo

Like Obama who started out with hope and change was grey haired and a regular politician at the end of his run, I think the same will happen with AOC when she realizes she is powerless.
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
This is nothing against AOC but did you know her starting pay is 175k a year? Maybe the first thing we can start with is not paying our politicians wages of that of a celebrity or high ranking executive. Politicians should be civil servants making the same wages as the average citizen they are serving. You combine with that with making lobbying illegal and then maybe you'll only get people that care running.
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175k is the pay of a high ranking executive that's a new one on me. My niece just got out of college as a PA with a starting pay of 125k per year. 5 years she will be making over 180k per year.

Mid level technology executives where making over 150k per year not including bonuses or stock options. High level executives at EMC where I worked years ago were making between 750,000 to 1.4 million per year an sales executives were pulling down 500,000 to 2.5 million per year again not adding the stock option reward.

Do I think Congress an Senators are over paid yes but I did not hear a word from the right then 28 year old Paul Ryan making at the time what I guess 125k per year.
 
PEB said:
175k is the pay of a high ranking executive that's a new one on me. My niece just got out of college as a PA with a starting pay of 125k per year. 5 years she will be making over 180k per year.

Mid level technology executives where making over 150k per year not including bonuses or stock options. High level executives at EMC where I worked years ago were making between 750,000 to 1.4 million per year an sales executives were pulling down 500,000 to 2.5 million per year again not adding the stock option reward.

Do I think Congress an Senators are over paid yes but I did not hear a word from the right then 28 year old Paul Ryan making at the time what I guess 125k per year.
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Yeah, $175k is nurse practicioner money.

And if you've ever met one, you'll know that they live quite comfortably. Which drives the point home about those making 10 or 100 times that being absurdly overpaid. But AOC is a Sarah Palin for saying this is fucked up.
 
She's brutal. She has no knowledge of big pharma, and when she got called out on it she just pulled the victim card and screamed sexism.
 
She is a big winner, for America's right-wingers. That's why a bunch of them are standing up to support her. They need enemies like her, instead of some boring, bland bastard moderates, who won't given them anything to work with.

The phrase "useful idiot" comes to mind.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
Yeah, $175k is nurse practicioner money.

And if you've ever met one, you'll know that they live quite comfortably. Which drives the point home about those making 10 or 100 times that being absurdly overpaid. But AOC is a Sarah Palin for saying this is fucked up.
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You want someone making 25,000 year cutting off your toe because of an infection due to poor circulation be my guest. Because that's what my niece does some times as a surgical PA.

She also closes up people after surgery. Tons of do nothings at EMC where pushing paper all day taking home well over 200K a year. We had administrators pulling down 90k a year in the early 2000's.
 
You can be a populist without being a Trump.
Aside from that she doesn't benefit from having spent a lifetime establishing her name as a brand and being the personal incarnation of vulgar wealth (or her personal ideals for that matter).
 
Senzo Tanaka said:
This is nothing against AOC but did you know her starting pay is 175k a year? Maybe the first thing we can start with is not paying our politicians wages of that of a celebrity or high ranking executive. Politicians should be civil servants making the same wages as the average citizen they are serving. You combine with that with making lobbying illegal and then maybe you'll only get people that care running.
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If they earn less, like 25-50k a year, the argument is they'll be more easy to accept bribes and be corrupt. I mean they're still corrupt and accepting bribes and probably making millions off their careers, but that's one of the reasons they argue against having too low an income.
 
Lol at anyone who denounces Trump and defends her. Hypocrisy at it's finest
 
No, the trump of the left would be someone like Kanye West...
 
djacobox372 said:
No, the trump of the left would be someone like Kanye West...
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She'd need to tweet a lot more to be a Trump of the left, although she has more of a social media presence than most politicians.
She is a populist with little experience, polarising policy, hyperbolic rhetoric and a penchant for identity politics (the experience and identity politics setting her apart from Sanders for instance). That's about as far as the comparison goes to date.
Of course aside from not flip-flopping/lieing like Trump, whether she actually has any ability to form and lead a political team to achieve electoral success is questionable (where her lack of branding compared to a Trump or Kanye is an issue), let alone lead a successful administratation (Trump's biggest failing).
The fact that she started her political career by campaigning for Sanders, then by running for congress, also shouldn't be overlooked as a difference.
 
AOC picking on what Nancy Pelosi openly bragged that she did that benefited her an her husband on 60 mins. How they can deregulate a company an even buy stock ahead of the deregulated company going public with the news. The stock runs up in value an said politician personally benefits no laws a broken. She even calls it dark money an how said company gets you elected to deregulate them lol people are getting played from both parties.



 
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