Anyone else lol when someone mentions Bruce Lee in a serious MMA-context?

[peytonlucy]

you know nothing!!!

Almost nothing, but I know the difference between acting and fighting.

 

[IsNormal]

What baffles me is when someone looks at one of Bruce's demos and says "Look at those lightning fast counters, he would obviously do well against most fighters today"

You can see equally impressive striking in hundreds of REAL fights in muay thai, kyokoshin, kickboxing etc.

Yet people don't show clips of those guys doing impressive moves and say delude themselves into thinking that must mean they would do well in MMA.
They think rather unproven movie star from the past would do better than proven professional fighters from the modern era.

Bruce was a great man, and his fighting style and philosophy is interesting.
But since when does writing about martial arts mean so much?
Sure, the book is a good contribution. But you can't consider him a good fighter because of it. If a random master in another sport wrote a good book - that wouldn't make you think they could make it big time in MMA would it? But when we're talking Bruce Lee suddenly books can prove you'd be great.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Bruce Lee would have been scary in a street fight, if you read his book he promoted groin shots and eye gouging

 

[DaPunkMinowaMan]

The Gracies ARE NOT the fathers of MMA. As much as I respect the Gracie family and what they brought to the sport, their main contribution was the MMA Tournament. Their main objective was to prove that their style of fighting was superior to all others and it was. With a no-holds contest, no rounds, no time limits and almost, literally, no rules, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu was and is, to this day, the best fighting style, hands down. The Gracies did not take other forms of Marital Arts and combine them with their own, they took Jiu-Jitsu and "perfected" it to their style and belief of how the system should work. The MMA tournament they created was their proving ground. However, Bruce Lee was a pioneer in the fact that he sought to incorporate all styles of fighting (MMA) and that is why many consider him the "Father of MMA."

Save the hate for your dog as you kick him on your way out the door.

MMA is the PC word for NHB.

BTW, it´s Geo Omori (Japanese Immigrant in Brazil) who started this Vale Tudo thing in Brazil in the 1920s...

 

[freakyfarley]

Almost nothing, but I know the difference between acting and fighting.

 

[peytonlucy]

you know nothing!!!

I'm pretty sure that Uma from the Kill Bill movies would beat Bruce Lee. I'm virtually positive that she wins if she has that special sword.

Darryl Hannah from Kill Bill must have fought Bones Jones or Gus because she was wearing an eye patch.

 

[tenniswhiz]

its pathetic. bruce did a pretty decent job of exposing his own bullshit -

bruce learned to fight without ever doing any actual fighting

This is The Art of Fighting without Fighting.

 

[TrueFightFan]

MMA is the PC word for NHB.

BTW, it´s Geo Omori (Japanese Immigrant in Brazil) who started this Vale Tudo thing in Brazil in the 1920s...

You are right about MMA being used as PC but it represents the "sport" as run by the unified rules. The Vale Tudo thing may have been started by your buddy, Omori, but the Gracies are the ones who started the UFC and it was meant as a proving ground of sorts for all of the various disciplines. They proved that with, almost, no rules, that their fighting style was the best.

 

[kpt018]

IDK man, I tend to think that if Bruce was alive and in his prime today he'd do well in the UFC. It's pure speculation but he was a physical specimen and very, very fast. He also hit hard for his size.

Could he learn the ground game? Would he look similar to Conor? Who the hell knows but he certainly had the right mind set and the physical gifts to do well.

 

[peytonlucy]

MMA is a sport derived from fighting. There are several sources for a mix of fighting styles. I was introduced to fighting in the early 1970's with no structured training. I knew how to box from watching Ali, Frazier, Duran on tv. Everyone recognized that. My father showed me what a kimura was, but he didn't know the name. I learned what a RNC was but it wasn't called that. No one would think of using a RNC without a life or death situation because it was considered dirty to choke. Years later, at a yard sale, I saw a Korean War era Marine combat manual of some sort. The fundamentals of NHB were pretty much all there. I think everything that my Dad showed me could be found in that manual. The idea that someone could arm bar or triangle choke from the bottom, or even the guard, was a revelation for most with UFC 1/ UFC 2. The idea that a bigger guy could get on top and punch a smaller guy out had always been around. Learning not to be arm barred from the bottom wasn't automatic; I think of Enson arm barring Randy Couture as a surprise because by then people knew what was possible.

 

[DaPunkMinowaMan]

You are right about MMA being used as PC but it represents the "sport" as run by the unified rules. The Vale Tudo thing may have been started by your buddy, Omori, but the Gracies are the ones who started the UFC and it was meant as a proving ground of sorts for all of the various disciplines. They proved that with, almost, no rules, that their fighting style was the best.

The UFC was a late American experience.

U already had the original famous challenge Luta Livre [~catch wrestling] vs BJJ in 1984 in Brazil.

 

[rraaju]

me lol. massive bruce lee fan here but i have to lol everytime some sherdog can drops his name

 

[IsNormal]

remember he was born in 1940 not 1990 there were no MMA gyms back in his day not 1 so his potential would be alot better and possibly could of made it in MMA

This is a common argument. But it's mostly only used for Bruce Lee.
I don't see people saying "Oh the Muay Thai champ of 1975 could have been great in MMA if he just had access to the proper training"
There are soo many great martial artists from the past with proven records so I don't see why anyone would argue that Bruce Lee would be more likely to succeed when there's no proof for it- and at the same time we have had tons of elite fighter with proven records from the past 30 years, and no one seems to argue the same thing about those guys.

 

[peytonlucy]

IDK man, I tend to think that if Bruce was alive and in his prime today he'd do well in the UFC. It's pure speculation but he was a physical specimen and very, very fast. He also hit hard for his size.

Could he learn the ground game? Would he look similar to Conor? Who the hell knows but he certainly had the right mind set and the physical gifts to do well.

Who can possibly know? Has anyone ever seen Bruce Lee tagged with a solid punch from someone intent on knocking him out? How many times? The neighborhood bully has more video. After the 1976 Olympics people thought that Howard Davis was a lock for a world title, more so than Ray Leonard or Michael Spinks (certainly more than Leon Spinks, Thomas Hearns, Aaron Pryor, etc.) The problem was Howard couldn't take a world class punch.

 

[kpt018]

Who can possibly know? Has anyone ever seen Bruce Lee tagged with a solid punch from someone intent on knocking him out? How many times? The neighborhood bully has more video. After the 1976 Olympics people thought that Howard Davis was a lock for a world title, more so than Ray Leonard or Michael Spinks (certainly more than Leon Spinks, Thomas Hearns, Aaron Pryor, etc.) The problem was Howard couldn't take a world class punch.

I totally agree man, we don't know. All I am is saying is that he certainly had some of the attributes that make up a great fighter. I don't know if he had enough of them.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

I LoL when I hear about him in todays MMA. Evolution.

But give Bruce credit, with no-rules fighting not even around back then, champions from various fighting sports all gave props when they seen Bruce do shit in person.

If shit were different it coulda actually been him, not the Gracies, that got MMA going to begin with. He laid the foundations for MMA training in his book long ago.

 

[Sapp]

He has the same mythos around him that leads casuals to vastly overrate Tyson as some kind of invincible destroyer. The only difference is, at least Tyson actually had some accomplishments.

 

[MMAJunkie]

'The best fighter is not a boxer, karate, or judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt on any style. He kicks too good for a boxer, throws too good for a karate man, and punches too good for a Judo man.' - Bruce Lee

'Someone with only a year of training in boxing and wrestling could easily defeat a martial artist of twenty years experience.' - Bruce Lee

Dat conman.

End of thread

 

[sdss]

Count your blessings. It used to be way worse 15 years ago, before the MMA boom.

 

[MMAJunkie]

the only thing that really annoys me with bruce lee fans is when they go around calling him 'the father of MMA', when there's probably 0 jeet kune do fighters who have any relevancy in MMA, and vale tudo has been around since the beginning of the 20th century in Brazil.

JKD is not what it would be if Bruce was alive today. ..he was forever tying to grow as a Martial artist...
Having no way as a way

We will never know if he would have done good or bad in MMA but I think 1993 UFC he mops those guys