Anyone else lol when someone mentions Bruce Lee in a serious MMA-context?

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CargoKing said:
I can't even tell if this is trolling or someone new to MMA who's trying to seem hip. That's how bad this place is since Conor.
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Anybody with a 2014 or later join date is to be automatically assumed a dumbass and a troll until they prove themselves to be otherwise. If you adopt this philosophy, it will make things a lot easier.
 
Mikey Palangio said:
Every sport has a history. There is nothing wrong with mentioning Bruce Lee in MMA in a historical context. He was a pioneer of mixed martial arts.

Even if he didn't get the opportunity to put his philosophy into practice, at least he developed a philosophy of getting rid of techniques that don't work, and incorporating techniques from other styles.

This influenced many people to develop their own systems.

Therefore, Bruce Lee has a place in the history of mixed martial arts.
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he was no pioneer of MMA. read my previous post.
 
leto1776 said:
Anybody with a 2014 or later join date is to be automatically assumed a dumbass and a troll until they prove themselves to be otherwise. If you adopt this philosophy, it will make things a lot easier.
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That's tough for us previously exiled fogies, lumped in with the kids.

Lucy Alpha is still Ravden to me damnit.
 
basementdweller said:
he influenced the public to care about that sort of thing, sure. as I said, I have no hate for Bruce Lee at all...

this is what bothers me: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/33160-bruce-lee-the-first-advocate-of-mma http://www.mmamania.com/2015/11/27/...ather-of-mma-on-what-would-be-75-birthday-mma and so on... with even the UFC calling him 'the father of MMA' at some point.

when it was actually brazilian vale tudo that 'fathered' MMA
http://www.sasori.ro/stiluri-view/Vale-Tudo.21.html

You mentioned the gracie family. The Gracie not only adapted Judo to ground fighting making BJJ the most dominant martial art in a vale tudo fight, they have campaigned heavily for demonstration fights and events through an entire century. They also literally dominated early UFC with Royce submitting guys twice his size.

MMA is modern vale tudo. vale tudo has been around since before Bruce Lee. It doesn't even make any sense to say the sort of thing people say. as if MMA came out of nowhere after Bruce Lee said grappling was important. It's fucking stupid.
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I agree for the most part. Wasn't it fucking Dana who first said that?
 
Bruce took steroids and weed for his back would he pass usada? And lol at him losing to Cody McKenzie :eek:<45>
 
No. I don't.

I understand that he wasn't a professional fighter but he was still very influential as a martial artist and was one of the earliest traditional martial artists to crawl out of the primordial ooze and open himself up to the idea of cross-training in other martial arts. He was about using what worked and tossing aside what didn't. He may not have invented mixed martial arts as we know it but can you name another martial artist from that era who took ideas and techniques from multiple martial arts to develop their own system of fighting?
 
CargoKing said:
That's tough for us previously exiled fogies, lumped in with the kids.

Lucy Alpha is still Ravden to me damnit.
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I think of him as, well, I don't think of him at all ever since I put him on ignore.
 
Mixed said:
I agree for the most part. Wasn't it fucking Dana who first said that?
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I don't know if it was him, but it started coming directly from the UFC and everyone bought it. I don't think people know about vale tudo when they say that.
 
basementdweller said:
I don't know if it was him, but it started coming directly from the UFC and everyone bought it. I don't think people know about vale tudo when they say that.
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Which is funny since the Gracies started the UFC.
 
Bruce Lee helped pioneer the ideals that would form MMA. For that he deserves respect as a philosopher of the sport. That said, he was never a great fighter. He was a athletic individual who could act up a storm and had the ability and confidence to break some barriers.... but was not a great fighter by any stretch.
 
You mean bruce leroy?


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egk said:
Like most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle between myth and reality.

Since it's all just opinions, I think I'll believe someone like Ron Van Clief. He actually knew and trained with Bruce Lee. He also came back to fight in UFC 1 at age 51. I'd especially believe him over some nobody, keyboard warrior, on Sherdog.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Ron-Van-Clief-Where-Is-He-Now-18699

While Lee is mainly known for his many martial arts films, he was also interested in grappling and had begun integrating it into his fighting philosophy, under judo legend Gene LeBell.

“He was a mixed martial artist, he was grappling back then,” Van Clief said.

And how would he rate the legendary Lee if given the opportunity to train and compete today?

“I think if he put his mind to do it, he would've been an excellent lightweight, as good as any of the lightweight MMA guys around. He was tough, he really was tough. Most people didn’t realize that, he could take it and dish it out. It’s kind of rare in any weight division.”
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"One time, I saw Tank Abbott beat up Pat Smith in an elevator with his three bodyguard goons"...

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I laugh as well. But TS, realize that Bruce Lee was very very strong for his size. Upper body, lower body, he was a powerhouse as well as his legendary endurance.

Physical specimen.

He definitely would beat up most average joes. And he had lots of potential.

He would be a good fighter I think.
 
The Bruce Lee formula, to a large extent, is like any celebrity who dies young. He had potential that was never realized; this enables people to project whatever they want for possible scenarios. The reality is that he had skills and was a good physical specimen for his size. There were completions all around him. He never competed. From this I infer that he did not think that he was unbeatable. A more recent example is Rickson Gracie who is mythic in bjj. Rickson fought low caliber competition for most of his Pride fights, and stopped fighting when the competition level rose. In Rickson case he did fight in public and risked losing. The thought of serious competition with a realistic chance of defeating him sent him into retirement. Bruce Lee never did a fraction of what Rickson did which is a fraction of what Fedor and others did.
 
basementdweller said:
he influenced the public to care about that sort of thing, sure. as I said, I have no hate for Bruce Lee at all...

this is what bothers me: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/33160-bruce-lee-the-first-advocate-of-mma http://www.mmamania.com/2015/11/27/...ather-of-mma-on-what-would-be-75-birthday-mma and so on... with even the UFC calling him 'the father of MMA' at some point.

when it was actually brazilian vale tudo that 'fathered' MMA
http://www.sasori.ro/stiluri-view/Vale-Tudo.21.html

You mentioned the gracie family. The Gracie not only adapted Judo to ground fighting making BJJ the most dominant martial art in a vale tudo fight, they have campaigned heavily for demonstration fights and events through an entire century. They also literally dominated early UFC with Royce submitting guys twice his size.

MMA is modern vale tudo. vale tudo has been around since before Bruce Lee. It doesn't even make any sense to say the sort of thing people say. as if MMA came out of nowhere after Bruce Lee said grappling was important. It's fucking stupid.
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The Gracies ARE NOT the fathers of MMA. As much as I respect the Gracie family and what they brought to the sport, their main contribution was the MMA Tournament. Their main objective was to prove that their style of fighting was superior to all others and it was. With a no-holds contest, no rounds, no time limits and almost, literally, no rules, Gracie Jiu-Jitsu was and is, to this day, the best fighting style, hands down. The Gracies did not take other forms of Marital Arts and combine them with their own, they took Jiu-Jitsu and "perfected" it to their style and belief of how the system should work. The MMA tournament they created was their proving ground. However, Bruce Lee was a pioneer in the fact that he sought to incorporate all styles of fighting (MMA) and that is why many consider him the "Father of MMA."

Save the hate for your dog as you kick him on your way out the door.
 
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