another shooting at ft hood.

[SMEAC]

Can you see where you went wrong? I bolded it for you.



And yes I do think that to a degree, and you are suggesting otheriwse which is why I asked the fucking question!!!


In my head the most likely answer to "why they need guns on base" is for target practise, and I also said I am confident they are allowed there. I am presuming there are other reasons (besides the exceptionally obvious one I mentioned) so I asked a question what are they?

Had I said "there is no other reason" well then your little hissy fit would be understandable.
But instead of spouting off about shit I don't know, I asked a question, you know those things that help you gain knowledge and a better understanding of why another person feels the way they do.

What would you have me do, just accept this as fact? Personally I don't like things I don't understand so I try to understand them, a common tool I use for that is asking other people questions.

So yeah, question still stands.

"In their day to day work on a military base how does a soldier need his gun?"

I know you talk funny English but you evidently write it too. The implication of your post was clearly there is no need other then a range.

But to answer your question, weapons are used nearly every day for more training then I care to type on my phone.

 

[36thDisciple]

I can sorry yours suck, try training and empowering them

lol. It's like you don't know what the Army does or something.

Outside your little bubble they train to find fix and destroy

It's you that's in the bubble, pal. Shooters ≠ Big Army.

I am blown away that I even have to tell you this.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

So how would you tell the difference between the shooter and other armed uniformed people?

Because my eyes would have seen the shooter start shooting people. Tough one!

 

[HIMBOB]

I know you talk funny English but you evidently write it too. The implication of your post was clearly there is no need other then a range.

But to answer your question, weapons are used nearly every day for more training then I care to type on my phone.

Sooo many that in 3 response to me you have yet to name a single one.......hmmmm.


But are you suggesting that the no guns on base hampers training ability in a meaningful way?

 

[Torami]

Because my eyes would have watched the shooter start shooting people. Tough one!

He is referring to the MAs when they arrive on site, it greatly slows down the process of apprehending the shooter with multiple people armed. Apparently it was a tough one for you.

 

[Diamond Jim]

I'm hearing locally it may have been at a WTU unit. I was in one back in 2008 for over a year for a head injury that required 2 surgeries. A lot of guys in that unit were pretty messed up and couldn't be trusted to do anything really.

I don't know what the answer is. I think bad stuff happens that is out of our control sometimes.

 

[Torami]

Yea they need to have armed MAs in all buildings. 15 minute response time -_-

 

[Diamond Jim]

Ft. Hood commander says he was soldier. Was being treated for behavioral health problems. But said he only served 4 months in Iraq in 2011. Don't get how that can mess him up.

 

[Torami]

I'm hearing locally it may have been at a WTU unit. I was in one back in 2008 for over a year for a head injury that required 2 surgeries. A lot of guys in that unit were pretty messed up and couldn't be trusted to do anything really.

I don't know what the answer is. I think bad stuff happens that is out of our control sometimes.

Says he wasnt in WTU. Was only deployed for 4 months. So somethings up >>

 

[7437]

Because my eyes would have seen the shooter start shooting people. Tough one!

And for the thousand people on base who didnt see the initial incident? Or if you werent the first one on scene? How about the second or third guy that shows up after you with his gun drawn on you? Other people than you and a shooter exist, that is the problem.

 

[Scrody]

Great. Just as they're getting over the last one.

 

[SMEAC]

lol. It's like you don't know what the Army does or something.



It's you that's in the bubble, pal. Shooters ≠ Big Army.

I am blown away that I even have to tell you this.

Not a clue, enlighten me to the world outside your intel cell

 

[SMEAC]

Sooo many that in 3 response to me you have yet to name a single one.......hmmmm.


But are you suggesting that the no guns on base hampers training ability in a meaningful way?

Because if I named something like ready ups, mag changes, patrolling etc that would change your preconceived notions?

Way to change the subject there, but it does nothing meaningful

 

[36thDisciple]

Not a clue, enlighten me to the world outside your intel cell

Dude, your attitude is shitty. I get your stance for gun use, but YOUR "arguments" are terrible, especially coming from a fellow service member - you should know better; the shit you're saying doesn't even make sense from a military standpoint. Lastly, you're not debating shit, you're just making weak ass snarky comments like a fuckin girl. You've got nothing to add.

 

[Torami]

Dude, your attitude is shitty. I get your stance for gun use, but YOUR "arguments" are terrible, especially coming from a fellow service member - you should know better; the shit you're saying doesn't even make sense from a military standpoint. Lastly, you're not debating shit, you're just making weak ass snarky comments like a fuckin girl. You've got nothing to add.

Wouldn't be sherdog without people like him arguing small points that in the big picture bring nothing to the real conversation.

 

[SMEAC]

Dude, your attitude is shitty. I get your stance for gun use, but YOUR "arguments" are terrible, especially coming from a fellow service member - you should know better; the shit you're saying doesn't even make sense from a military standpoint. Lastly, you're not debating shit, you're just making weak ass snarky comments like a fuckin girl. You've got nothing to add.

Fuck off with your weak ass pogue viewpoint on shit. Go make a fucking powerpoint, not everyone in the military is scared of their Soldiers and guns. You fucking want to trust the training of some mp over others training go right on with that bullshit as if they are special.

 

[HIMBOB]

Because if I named something like ready ups, mag changes, patrolling etc that would change your preconceived notions?

Way to change the subject there, but it does nothing meaningful

So are you saying that the training methods for these three things had to be significantly altered when this became law?

And yes I was asking so you had a chance to change what I clearly realised was my presumption which basically was, American soldiers on a army base in the middle of texas do a fair amount of things for which they don't need a working rifle, and that the times they do need a working gun they can be issued one for use in a particular area where guns are allowed.


And I am not sure what you mean by change of subject.

 

[36thDisciple]

Fuck off with your weak ass pogue viewpoint on shit. Go make a fucking powerpoint, not everyone in the military is scared of their Soldiers and guns. You fucking want to trust the training of some mp over others training go right on with that bullshit as if they are special.

LOL, the "pogue" viewpoint IS the point, dumbass! Do you know who's in the Army?

Lastly, PMO MPs are the only ones who get regular training on active shooter scenarios, because it's in their required Force Pro exercises. So, yes, they are better qualified than combat arms in this case, and you. No one said they're fuckin special; I don't even like most of those dudes.

It is what it is. You're still not saying shit.

Now if you're saying everyone should be allowed to conceal carry on-post, providing they meet the standards and training criteria, state criteria b.s., blah blah...that's a different argument, isn't it? Retard.

 

[SMEAC]

Just who are you supporting in the Army, what is the mission of the Army

That you have let standards degrade to the point that you use your being a pogue to justify the shit is the problem. I am assuming that you deployed and at least had dudes carrying weapons between the office and their chu, trusted them then.

If pmo is the one's trained so well I guess there is no reason for them grabbing infantry companies for force pro.

Obviously I would have no issue with carry of personally owned weapons. I do find it telling on your viewpoint that you bring up training and criteria for ccw considering that nearly anywhere that allows ccw Soldiers inherently meet the qualifications.

 

[36thDisciple]

Your solution makes no fuckin sense. So you want all Soldiers running around with weapons everywhere they go on post, like they're downrange. Not even going to get into the logistical nightmare there. I already addressed this silliness in my second post in this thread. What you're promoting isn't even POSSIBLE, let alone feasible, intelligent, or addresses the active shooter matter. Just sheer fucking stupidity.

I bring up criteria and training because I completely disagree with the idea of a blanket approval for Soldiers to conceal carry. I've been around for a long time, I've seen too many rocks. Fuck THAT.

Your personal attack on my leadership qualities is cute. You're completely oblivious.