Ankalaev vs Jones wouldn't even be competitive

Lycandroid said:
Nobody is going to beat Jon Jones without a massive power and striking advantage while having an equal grappling skillset. That does not describe Ankalaev by any stretch.
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AspirinTylenol has the size, the speed, good striking (Jones' hasn't looked great recently/in the last 7 years, except against Stipe, who Father Time tkod before that fight even started), and I'd be very curious to see how Jones wrestles an actually good HW grappler. Finally a HW fight I give a shit about! Please make it happen DW!
 
Prime Jones likely wins and quite dominantly.

The one who fought Reyes, maybe not. But I do think Ank would have issues getting close enough to land much.
 
Streeter said:
Honestly a terrible match up for Ank.. honestly is levels better grappling n has like foot reach advantage , taller , much better kicks. Anks only edge would be hand striking . Only way Ank beats Hones is Jones is just aged out n inactive .
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Both Reyes and Gus relied on good boxing and TDD. Ank I think would be an interesting matchup for post-prime Jones. Won't happen though since Jones isn't cutting back down to LHW.
 
Ank might do well striking wise, but can he defend Jon’s tds? Eyepoker always finds a way to win.
 
I don't think Jones will ever go back to LHW again, he probably is physically able to if he was motivated, but his legacy there is basically sealed. At HW it would be interesting because Jones has mileage but will have the HW size more than Ank, maybe be a grappler and be able to control him. In his prime, Jones would eat him up to a decision or finish, but right now it would be a very technical fight.
 
Gutter Chris said:
I would never count jones out of a fight. So far he's always found that w and the guys he fights careers tail spin off the loss.
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Jones is such an enigmatic character. On one hand he’s the greatest fighter of all time, on the other hand he also holds the record for the most PED abuse. You can’t really explain it.
 
Marko Polo said:
Jones is such an enigmatic character. On one hand he’s the greatest fighter of all time, on the other hand he also holds the record for the most PED abuse. You can’t really explain it.
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Oh I can explain it

He's insanely competitive to a degree that I don't even think I even half understand. He's in it to win it and gives no fucks about anything but.

And drug testing sucks. We should allow jones all the roids and coke he wants just to see him in his full glory Shogun smash everyone. He's a rare talent and the only people punished for him being such a lunatic is us.
 
PrideNverDies said:
There's a reason why Jones went running from 205 after almost losing to Reyes. Ank would run through him.
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Yeah... I dunno

Ank would get Jones on the cage a few times, but would not control him for long and Jon would fire back.

Jones fights long where Alex accepted the pocket ....

I think they would have a bloodbath for sure.

Jon is always good in the late rounds and takes good corner advice mid-fight most of the time.

Ank is not as aggressive as any of the fighters that have given Jon trouble. I think this is the biggest factor to favor Jones @ 205 over Ank
 
Dionysian said:
It is 2025 now. Not 2014.

Unless you guys were talking about time travel to compare the state of the division. Then sure go ahead. But if we are citing 2014 to justify results in 2025... why??
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TS did not specify.

Prime Jones, no fucking question.

Current Jones? Shit. I’m not sure if he can cut to 205, but why not a catch weight? If Ank was indeed the prince that was promised, I don’t see why he couldn’t meet Jones at 220. Lots of great fighters gave up 20-30 lbs or more and still had great performances. That’s just it; these neckbeards don’t seem keen on giving up any kind of advantage despite being supremely confident in their skills. Ank should be screaming for a crack at a visibly aged and slower Jones at any fucking weight, but he won’t.

My pick at a catch weight? Jones obliterates Ank. He’s still that good. Even Ank knows it. Alex is the highest risk/ lowest reward and that’s why Ank is perfectly fine with a rematch.
 
I don't see why not considering he lost to Gus, Santos, Reyes, and Hamill
 
lol I came into this thread thinking it was going to say Ank has no chance against Jones.
 
CobraCobretti said:
Jones has never faced such an unique skill set what The Big Ank has.
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What’s the unique skill set? He’s not Unsubable … he’s not the greatest wrestler … and he’s not the flashiest or most powerful striker

He’s just very well rounded and effective … don’t see anything unique or one of a kind
 
Does he win by decision? I’m not really getting the premise here. Jones negates him everywhere and would be busier striking. Easy UD for Jones
 
Ank would box Jon's socks off. Jon was making slow ass exits and getting hit by the mummy of Stipe. Ank is wayyyy faster than 2025 Stipe lol. He would touch up Jon on the feet in 2025.

The real question is the grappling between Jones and Ank. Jones can wrestle and he has a mean top game. I don't know of Ank could handle Jon's grappling. Would be great to see it. Ank is high level. Just out boxed Poatan with relative ease.
 
Pequeño Corey said:
TS did not specify.

Prime Jones, no fucking question.

Current Jones? Shit. I’m not sure if he can cut to 205, but why not a catch weight? If Ank was indeed the prince that was promised, I don’t see why he couldn’t meet Jones at 220. Lots of great fighters gave up 20-30 lbs or more and still had great performances. That’s just it; these neckbeards don’t seem keen on giving up any kind of advantage despite being supremely confident in their skills. Ank should be screaming for a crack at a visibly aged and slower Jones at any fucking weight, but he won’t.

My pick at a catch weight? Jones obliterates Ank. He’s still that good. Even Ank knows it. Alex is the highest risk/ lowest reward and that’s why Ank is perfectly fine with a rematch.
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Fair enough. I think Jon loses to multiple people at LHW today and multiple people at HW today. What we are living through is a bubble based primarily on his undisputed greatness from a decade ago and the fact that the only time we have seen him compete in MMA for the last half decade has been versus competition that literally should not have been sanctioned: one a guy who never fought a grappler in his professional lifetime and the other an old guy who wasn't competing nor competitive in the last fight we saw him in many years prior. These last five years make even Conor look like a guy whose career was put through the ringer... it is truly unprecedented in how artificial it has been.

Let me be clear. Ank is not a game-changing fighter. And 2014 Jones wins. But in 2025 Ank (and Tom and Sergei and Jiri and maybe even Alex and Jan and Volkov) beat Jon whose image has been insulated by people watching 2014 highlights rather than seeing that today, if his name wasn't Jon Jones, he'd be seen as the most protected/least proven fighter in the entire sport.

Hot take, I know. But when the best you can point to... literally... is him out-grappling one guy who never faced a grappler in his professional lifetime... sorry I don't buy it. You literally have to go all the way back to 2018 in order to show a "Jon Jones" performance. That was 7 years ago... chances are he isn't in remotely the same universe as back then.
 
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