Discussion in 'Boxing Discussion' started by busterwolf, Feb 29, 2016.
Last time Khan said he will box and move, he ran away and hugged Collazo who had his hands down.
I thought he boxed really well vs Alexander.
If I could choose any top fighter who was a perfect style for Khan, a faded Alexander would have been my choice as well.
Literally the perfect style for him that showed us nothing we didn't already know. We knew Khan could outbox slower defensive boxers who dont hit hard.
Algieri was the same, but he actually adjusted and took it to Khan. Algieri is a 140lb who's considered feather fisted, he hurt Khan more than once on that fight and gave him hell.
So much for the extra weight helping his chin, it doesn't look like its done anything but reduce his power. Maybe he should move to Heavyweight, using Khan logic his chin should have peaked by then.
If Canelo doesn't cut the ring off in this one ala Floyd fight, this is gonna be one hell of a fight to watch... It's like watching Rocky vs Ivan Drago!... Especially since everyone is expecting Creed - Drago
Anyway, gotto give props to the man with the biggest balls in boxing
Dodging every relevant fight for years then taking on someone in a weight division that will leave you as the #1 mandatory contender for the belt in your own weight class even if you get knocked the fuck out does not mean you have the biggest balls in boxing. It is a hell of a gutsy fight to take but it's a totally calculated move as well. It's the same thing Broner did. Go up and get crushed then go back down knowing your next fight is for the belt anyway.
You have to look at the other side of the coin too. Who has Canelo KO'd? James Kirkland? Alfredo Angulo? Guys that are there to hit. Who has he struggled with? Guys who can box and move- Lara, Trout, Floyd.... Which group would you put Khan in?
I really enjoyed Algieri vs Khan but Canelo doesn't fight like that. Algieri was just sort of recklessly brawling in there.
Khan ain't out boxing canelo. I'll be surprised if this fight goes over 4 rounds.
It's funny watching Dela hoya hype this horrible fight
The reality is that Canelo has KO'd bigger guys with better chins than Khan, his power can't be doubted here. He punches hard enough to knock Khan out, no doubt.
The guys he has struggled with all share a very important trait, defense. They are all very responible defensively and they all are very durable. Khan might box in a similar style but he doesn't have those attributes. In a fight with a very good boxer puncher like Canelo, defense and durability is important, Khan lacks on both of those fronts.
I like the fight.
Best fight to be made at the time while we wait for Canelo-GGG
eh, I think some people are either sleeping on Khan or thinking Canelo is more than he is. Not sure which. Yeah, Khan is chinny, but the reality is that he's only been stopped twice and has gone through fire vs Peterson and Maidana. Canelo is no seek and destroy killing machine.
I sort of agree. I think Khan will do really well until he gets hurt badly at some point. Unlike most people here I realize that his chinny chin chin also comes with a pretty good innate ability to survive. He will hold and push and run until he recovers and Canelo isn't always a seek and destroy guy when someone is hurt. We've seen him let guys off the hook many times and Khan having gotten hurt in nearly every fight he's fought knows how to not get finished. I wouldn't bet this was a quick fight at all. If Canelo takes him out it will probably after hurting him enough times for the ref or the corner to step in.
I kind of earned a bit of respect for Khan for taking on such a dangerous opponent. I will admit that I had grown tired of him in the past. Let's hope he can make this an interesting fight versus Canelo. I do think Khan has a boxers chance if he can keep this fight in the middle of the ring and keep that chin out of harms way. He has excellent boxing skills. I am just not sure he has the fire power to keep Canelo at bay. I'll take Canelo by TKO victory in the middle rounds.
I'm picking Canelo by decision. I think Khan is a better boxer than people are giving him credit for and I don't think Canelo has shown he can stop a guy with the ability of Khan. I don't see Khan getting over confident and fighting stupid like he did vs Garcia.
I don't think Khan can win a decision vs Canelo fighting the style he'll have to fight to make it to the end though.
Good Observation, man.
Or people are just calling it as it is is and picking Canelo by KO becuase that's the most likely outcome of this fight?
Canelo is bigger and better than both of the fighters you mentioned, by quite a distance as well. It's huge factors like this that you just casually ignore.
Khan's boxing skills are what's being overrated, you know that when you see people bunching his name in with defensive specialists like Lara and Floyd.
It's a constant pattern with Khan, he fights someone custom made for him, boxes well and then suddenly he's back to having amazing boxing skills until another contender gives him hell and nearly knocks him out, then we go back to being realistic about his defense and ring IQ.
This notion that Alvarez will win by decision, is actually a realistic thing to think about. It shows that peeps on this forum can be unbiased. This also means that, peeps on this forum, are thinking critically. Khan will not try to trade with Alvarez, that it is dangerous. I think we can all agree that Khan will have to be evasive and attack from a longer distance. Lara style. I dont think Khan is evasive-centric, or also a good long distance puncher, but what else can he do against a boxer against like Alvarez. Alvarez is intelligent and is a good counter puncher. I dont think any man or boxer would a take a fight just to get knocked out for millions, that is just crazy. If a boxer does take take this fight for money, then they would try their best to look good while doing it even though they have no chance in winning.
You mention the advantages that Canelo has but you neglect to mention the fact he very often prefers to box and counter punch rather then just move forward and fight. Khan isn't Kirkland or Angulo and Alvarez can't fight him that way. I would never compare him to Lara either but Trout would be a fair comparison. In the Austin Trout fight Canelo tried to box more then anything else and he seemed to gas twice actually. I had him winning of course but I can see Khan boxing with him the same way. Even when Canelo had Trout hurt badly he didn't finish him. Granted he might be more inclined to try and finish Khan since he is a much smaller guy with a lesser punch.
I think the most likely outcome is Canelo by knockout, probably in the mid-rounds. But Khan has the ability to make the fight interesting, and I do not think it would be the greatest upset in history if he managed to win. If he had a great chin, the fight would be considered a close matchup. I am just not confident enough in Khan's ability to avoid devastating shots. In every single fight I have ever seen with Khan, with the possible exception of Alexander, he has left himself wide open at times. I do not think he can magically cure that just because he knows Canelo can punch.
I liked old cats comment about watching Khan being like watching a tight rope walker.
Boxing and counter punching is fine, that's how Garcia knocked out Khan, and it's the best way to do it. If you get in a battle of chasing him around, he's very fast so he is likely to win. If you can draw him into exchanges, there's a good chance you can land the KO punch. Canelo doesn't need to chase Khan, he's already a much better technical boxer than him.
So what similarities other than movement are you seeing between Trout and Khan? They fight in different stances and actually fight completely differently. Trout focuses more on single shots from the outside and is very cagey, he is hard to hit clean. Khan throws in volume from the outside and is not very hard to hit clean. Trout has a much better overall defensie game and is also much bigger with a much better chin. You can't just compare to guys like that because they both move around a little, it's silly.
Canelo didn't gas either, the scores were read told to him in his corner after the 8th round, he has already won. No need to take any extra risks or exert more energy that is needed, if the scores would have been read the opposite way, I'm pretty sure he'd have finished strong.
You talk about the shot Canelo dropped Trout with as if that wouldn't of put Khan out for the count. Even if he does survive a big shot like that, he doesn't have the size, inside clinching game or defensive skills of Trout to survive. People are hanging on to the Maidana fight but the reality is that most referees would have stopped that fight and that type of survival is very rare.
Canelo will show just how overrated he really is