American scolastic folkstyle wrestling = a dying sport

jack36767 said:
Eye roll. I have been busy and am busy today. So I can’t break down your.. actually it’s not complete idiocy.. it’s even worse.. naïveté. Today. However this is bullshit.

I have explained, multiple times, it’s not really secrets, just not advertised to deliberately mediocre people like you.

I have yet to hear you admit to or apologize for making up and staring flat out wrong things about me either
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There are highschool state championships that quadruple the attendance of the world championships
 
Dirty Holt said:
There are highschool state championships that quadruple the attendance of the world championships
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... yes dirty I know

The attendance rates on the sport are truly pitiful

The fact is these numbers are so desperate that I think the sport is probably in its last decade of existence as we know it

Thank God for MMA if it weren't for MMA there's a good chance wrestling would have died a few years ago

I certainly hope we win big in in the international scene or else it's curtains for the sport

I'd like to watch a few of your fights...

Any advice on which ones I should check out?
 
-guerilla- said:
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Your entire theory is based off a tinfoil hat theory and massively wishful thinking.

I have realized that even polite discussion is impossible with you. I shall lay out the objective facts that point to why a true discussion is impossible because you are unable to accept objective truth.

Let it be stated on the record. The OP has no true freestyle experience, barely any folkstyle, scored only 8 team points in Kentucky after over 20 years to develop a program as a coach.

In that same vein, let the record show that various comments made by the OP that had a “defensive nature” that take any criticism of his results and southern wrestling as opinion or me “being a meanie”.. show that the OP is incapable of understanding objective data based facts. This either shows ignorance, stupidity, hypocrisy, or a combo of all 3. That is for others to decide.

Let the record show that the OP will ask what wrestling experience the other party has. Usually in an attempt to claim more knowledge. When told they have more experience, wins, competition and superior results and coaching. He then tries to trivialize it while trying maintaining his own “expertise” with nothing to back it. Almost like a tin foil hat wearer.

Let the record also show that the OP has also repeatedly stated objectively and morally false statements about people who disagree with him. He has yet to apologize, recant, or correct those statements. This shows both an objective lack of character and shows he is pursuing an agenda to make up for his inadequacies as a coach.

I can go on, but it would be piling on. One would fear the OP will make excuses not to read and most unfortunately make himself look like a stereotype. I hope that the OP can muster the moral character to not act like a stereotype and not bitch out of reading



Since it has been established the OP is on every objective level unqualified to claim expertise on the matter. Further discussion is impossible until the OP can
  1. look at all objective facts equally,
  2. actually be up to date and not out of touch
  3. Recant or correct their false statements about topics and people
  4. Admit their true agenda
  5. Stop categorizing and stereotyping anyone who disagrees with him into viewpoints they don’t actually have
  6. Most importantly, hold himself to same standards he holds everyone else.
Until the OP can be a good boy and meet these standards. Further polite and objective discussion is impossible.

Furthermore, let the record show that.. if the OP can’t abide by these standards.. it proves beyond any reasonable doubt.. that the TRUE reason he is really arguing his point because of his inability to properly coach and because he desperately wants the validation he feels he is “owed”




PS
I will ask again that the OP not perpetuate a stereotype by refusing to to read.
 
-guerilla- said:
... yes dirty I know

The attendance rates on the sport are truly pitiful

The fact is these numbers are so desperate that I think the sport is probably in its last decade of existence as we know it

Thank God for MMA if it weren't for MMA there's a good chance wrestling would have died a few years ago

I certainly hope we win big in in the international scene or else it's curtains for the sport

I'd like to watch a few of your fights...

Any advice on which ones I should check out?
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Given your track record. One might assume that your “request” is an attempt to try to claim “superiority” due to not having any objective way of claiming expertise over a person concerning the threads actual topic..

Which correlates to your own established behavior. Additionally, based off your own established patterns. If you respond mockingly or angrily you will prove me right since that is your established behavior when something hits home or shown to be objectively wrong.

As far as to your response. One might say that a true topic would be ways to get butts in seats at the grassroots level. Only an IDIOT would suggest otherwise or repeatedly ignore it,like someone in the thread
 
jack36767 said:
Given your track record. One might assume that your “request” is an attempt to try to claim “superiority” due to not having any objective way of claiming expertise over a person concerning the threads actual topic..

Which correlates to your own established behavior. Additionally, based off your own established patterns. If you respond mockingly or angrily you will prove me right since that is your established behavior when something hits home or shown to be objectively wrong.

As far as to your response. One might say that a true topic would be ways to get butts in seats at the grassroots level. Only an IDIOT would suggest otherwise or repeatedly ignore it,like someone in the thread
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What is my secret agenda??
 
-guerilla- said:


What is my secret agenda??
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Given your comments and incorrect portrayal of people who competed at a higher level than you. It’s absolutely clear you feel entitled to being treated as an authority despite having no objective claim to being treated as such.

Rather than just accept your own failures or accept you aren’t the authority you claim. You are trying to tear down those who did better than you. Because if you are right.. you are no longer just a mediocre Kentucky folky coach but now a visionary.

Hence your excuses, false statements, assigning false beliefs about what people believe,misrepresenting people who competed at a higher level than you and your intellectual dishonesty.


Let the record also show that the OP has continued his insults and intellectual dishonesty. Continuing to further establish himself as a man of low character.
 
jack36767 said:
Given your comments and incorrect portrayal of people who competed at a higher level than you. It’s absolutely clear you feel entitled to being treated as an authority despite having no objective claim to being treated as such.

Rather than just accept your own failures or accept you aren’t the authority you claim. You are trying to tear down those who did better than you. Because if you are right.. you are no longer just a mediocre Kentucky folky coach but now a visionary.

Hence your excuses, false statements, assigning false beliefs about what people believe,misrepresenting people who competed at a higher level than you and your intellectual dishonesty.


Let the record also show that the OP has continued his insults and intellectual dishonesty. Continuing to further establish himself as a man of low character.
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jack36767 said:
Let the record show that rather than giving concrete proof of his expertise or why he is qualified to Tell people better at the sport in question they are wrong. He has chosen to prove me correct about his real reasons for posting.
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jack36767 said:
Again let the record show Gavin Wourth will post snippets of my past competition to attempt to mock and discredit my opinion.. but will will complain or try to minimize when the numerical data from his own career is stated or shown.

Definition of a bully and coward
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Try to stick to wrestling and avoid questions and comments about the person who posted the thread...
 
-guerilla- said:
Try to stick to wrestling and avoid questions and comments about the person who posted the thread...
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Way to bring up old stuff no one was talking about anymore. You posted a carefully selected pic of me in response to me talking about wrestling multiple times.


Umm, You repeatedly stated you don’t actually want to discuss the actual wrestling.

Oh did you see the fact that yet another athlete was stripped of their Olympic medal in 2012? Or that if you take away the medal of a deceased athlete who tested positive.. the US either is in first place or tied for it at the 2012 Olympics?

You of course know this since you aren’t out of touch.

Additionally, Like I posted in another thread. Looking at age level results for international. The South simply is not pulling its weight even accounting for population. I am well aware of the reasons why, a big one being an over abundance of ignorant and/or out of date coaches still coaching like it is 1993. Much to the frustration of the good coaches.

While Georgia had an amazing year in Cadets. It was mainly due to the club coaching in Gwinnett, Cobb, Forsyth counties. Tennessee has a couple all-Americans but they all came from one school. The rest of the south was pedestrian at best, both in participation and results.

So what can you and the rest of the south do to help America win in international wrestling? Understanding that deliberately telling them not to try beyond the county level to fill an mma gym is counterproductive.
 
-guerilla- said:


I dont expect to see this kind of thing in America

Just get rid of clasping and tweek a few roll thru moves like granbys and we would be way more competitive in International
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That's nice.
Now why wouldn't you see it in the USA?
 
woodguyatl said:
At least among the parents I know there is a trend towards getting kids involved in lifetime sports like tennis, golf, running and rock climbing. I don’t know a lot about wrestling but I am not aware of any adult wrestling leagues in my area. Adult BJJ exists, but parents involved in that just start the kids in BJJ, not wrestling, at a young age.
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Nice contribution
 
jack36767 said:
Way to bring up old stuff no one was talking about anymore. You posted a carefully selected pic of me in response to me talking about wrestling multiple times.


Umm, You repeatedly stated you don’t actually want to discuss the actual wrestling.

Oh did you see the fact that yet another athlete was stripped of their Olympic medal in 2012? Or that if you take away the medal of a deceased athlete who tested positive.. the US either is in first place or tied for it at the 2012 Olympics?

You of course know this since you aren’t out of touch.

Additionally, Like I posted in another thread. Looking at age level results for international. The South simply is not pulling its weight even accounting for population. I am well aware of the reasons why, a big one being an over abundance of ignorant and/or out of date coaches still coaching like it is 1993. Much to the frustration of the good coaches.

While Georgia had an amazing year in Cadets. It was mainly due to the club coaching in Gwinnett, Cobb, Forsyth counties. Tennessee has a couple all-Americans but they all came from one school. The rest of the south was pedestrian at best, both in participation and results.

So what can you and the rest of the south do to help America win in international wrestling? Understanding that deliberately telling them not to try beyond the county level to fill an mma gym is counterproductive.
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the best thing America can do to increase their success at International wrestling is 2 relegate folkstyle to the Dustbin of history and solely practice on freestyle and greco
 
peregrine said:
That's nice.
Now why wouldn't you see it in the USA?
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Probably because America is receding into its own anus with pc SAFESPACE culture...

In fact you can see it right here on Sherdog

a combat athlete normally will stand their ground and defend themselves however I know of a certain someone who will Dash to the moderators and cry and complain about funny pics until the person they don't like gets a yellow card
(I even posted an except of a pm)

in those cases you can see even a combat athlete wrestling coach is in fact a PC safespace advocate and cries for his "sherdaddies" to protect him when the going gets tough

To your credit you keep it all about the sport and mostly leave personal insults out of it

this person actually mocked the genocide of my SouthAfrican family and i didn't even hit the report button because i am the kind of guy that holds my own

It's really a crying shame that the moderators don't do a little bit of research before they issued judgment, or perhaps they do and just pick their favorite

the one that bought his membership perhaps?

I really lost a ton of respect for this site in the process however

They will probably ban me for life any day now.... that's the way a founding father of MMA gets treated around here LOL

Meanwhile in Russia I bet if you complained about a guy posting funny pictures of you failing at the sport you profess expertise in they would come to your house and beat you with sticks

That is probably why you see those Russian kids hitting world-class back arches while our kids cry about a stubbed toe
 
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The best thing America can do to increase their success at international curling is to relegate all other sports to the 'dustbin of history' and solely practice curling.

Who cares about that, though.
 
in lifetime sports like tennis,

Recreation tennis for fun is lifetime thing, BIG tennis NO.
Training workload to lead hand versus non lead hand is a big difference. Guys end big game cos joints, cartilages and tendons, nerves in arm not rarity isn't so good that their cardio still is ( sufficient for A+ , A level).
SAFESPACE
In some EU countries safespace is so high that fear about bruise to 13 years old is more than hard concussion to 19 years old. Child protection specialists evaluates also emotional obuse etc.
 
rmongler said:
The best thing America can do to increase their success at international curling is to relegate all other sports to the 'dustbin of history' and solely practice curling.

Who cares about that, though.
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yeah that would work like a charm...

We could even try that with International wrestling what do you think?
 
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