Alt-right vs. Tea Party

[TheStruggle]

It's just like what I always say about the GOP. I sincerely doubt that all Republicans are racist, but the Republican party itself is stupid racist. Same principle. You might agree with some of their aims and that's cool, but let's not miss the forest for the trees here.

You only believe the GOP is racist because Democrats in this country take up the cause of social justice for every group to seem more 'including'. I just said this in the other thread. Democrats are always the ones saying we need to stop systematic racism, but if you actually look at these neighborhoods where the 'victims' of racism take place. It is always in a neighborhoods where democrats have controlled the areas for decades. The majority of voters are democrats and they elect democrats to office and positions of power who are the alleged abusers of racism. So if the GOP is so blatantly racist, why are all these race related issues happening in Democratic strongholds?

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Alt righters doesn't support gary johnson.
There two main lines of thought among ARs. Neoreactionaries and the more mainstream ones.
Neoreactionaries, NRx, want to go back to a feudalism or absolutism, where a powerful king will put all of these cucks in a dungeon(using their lingo)

The more mainstream ones support guys like Trump, they may like the idea of a king but consider it too far fetched and call it LARPing(live action roleplaying, aka pipe dreaming), they are not libertarians, they are openly racists and nationalists.
In resume:
ARs believe races are different and should not live together.
They don't like jews and don't support Israel, unlike conservatives.
They don't like non-white migrants, except highly skilled asians.
They don't care about freedom of expression, the constitution or other traditional conservative lines.
They are also not free market capitalists, they are protectionists and even defend welfare, for their nation(nation as opposed to country).
In america many defend breaking up the north west to create a white homeland.
In europe they support Marine le pen and want marion le pen as queen(seriously).
They usually support coexistence with other nations, and non interventionism. Once again departing from conservatives who support wars in the middle east, ARs call it wars for Israel.

Except for disliking jews and the racist stuff, that mainstream AR fits my views in many ways.

 

[Falsedawn]

You only believe the GOP is racist because Democrats in this country take up the cause of social justice for every group to seem more 'including'. I just said this in the other thread. Democrats are always the ones saying we need to stop systematic racism, but if you actually look at these neighborhoods where the 'victims' of racism take place. It is always in a neighborhoods where democrats have controlled the areas for decades. The majority of voters are democrats and they elect democrats to office and positions of power who are the alleged abusers of racism. So if the GOP is so blatantly racist, why are all these race related issues happening in Democratic strongholds?

Pretty sure I think the GOP is racist because of things like the Southern Strategy....but okay...

 

[HunterSdVa29]

so JVS is gonna say, w/ a straight face that BLM isn't an extremist group?

even though they want reparations, people literally freed from prison and records expunged, etc...


cmon bruh

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

dont want to start a new thread, so since this is an alt right hating gathering / circle jerk... i figured id welfare / donate some material for you guys to cheer (even will link your favourite publication)

White Lives Matter to be classified as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[TheStruggle]

Pretty sure I think the GOP is racist because of things like the Southern Strategy....but okay...

The same Southern Strategy The NYT and CNN debunked a decade ago?

Same people who think this probably think LBJ didn't say "I’ll have those n*****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years" and it had nothing to do with Roosevelt and Truman support as well.

 

[7437]

Liberal CUCKS are so bad at coming up with names. Alt Right, thats so gay. No wonder why these beta libs are easily gotten to. SJWs, Cucks, Libtards, Bernie bros all stick really good, Alt Right just sounds so desperate LOL.

its a term that got popular from shapiro you idiot

 

[no fat chicks]

People who identify with extreme ends of a political spectrum and use identity politics are usually miserable twats or trolls.

I think the alt right actually contains a lot more intellectuals they also seem to be total trolls and you can tell they don't even believe half the shit they say
See milo for a good example of this

 

[Falsedawn]

The same Southern Strategy The NYT and CNN debunked a decade ago?

Same people who think this probably think LBJ didn't say "I’ll have those n*****s voting Democratic for the next 200 years" and it had nothing to do with Roosevelt and Truman support as well.

Oh did they debunk it? You know you're going to have to bring sources for that.

Like this one



Or this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Mehlman, a Baltimore native who managed President Bush's reelection campaign, goes on to discuss current overtures to minorities, calling it "not healthy for the country for our political parties to be so racially polarized." The party lists century-old outreach efforts in a new feature on its Web site, GOP.com, which was relaunched yesterday with new interactive features and a history section called "Lincoln's Legacy."

Or this one

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rnc-chair-michael-steele-confesses-to-race-based-southern-strategy/

Why should an African-American vote Republican?

“You really don’t have a reason to, to be honest — we haven’t done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True,”

“…We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties, Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”

Or maybe this one from Nixon's strategist?

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of theVoting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

Here's the NYT in 2005 (a decade ago), so how about them?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DF1E30F935A35753C1A9639C8B63

Atwater, who would manage George H.W. Bush's successful run for the presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr. Lamis quoted Atwater in the book ''Southern Politics in the 1990's.''

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks.

The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile to blacks.

When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its banner.

Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he declared: ''I believe in states' rights.''

Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it would be ''impossible, ridiculous morally reprehensible'') is all of a piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.

 

[Jack V Savage]

so JVS is gonna say, w/ a straight face that BLM isn't an extremist group?

even though they want reparations, people literally freed from prison and records expunged, etc...

cmon bruh

BLM isn't even a group. Anyone can use the hashtag or hold up a sign and declare themselves part of it and claim to speak for it. So I'll tell you what I told Mick, there are extreme elements in it, but they are effectively marginalized. The unifying idea--that discriminatory policing is bad and that the criminal justice system often acts as if black victims are less important--is not extreme. With Campaign Zero, some BLM activists came up with very reasonable solutions to some of the problems that have been outlined.

 

[TheStruggle]

Oh did they debunk it? You know you're going to have to bring sources for that.

Like this one



Or this one

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html


Or this one

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rnc-chair-michael-steele-confesses-to-race-based-southern-strategy/


Or maybe this one from Nixon's strategist?

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/books/phillips-southern.pdf


Here's the NYT in 2005 (a decade ago), so how about them?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DF1E30F935A35753C1A9639C8B63

All those links and only one of them talks about the Southern strategy of Richard Nixon

RN: The Memoirs of Richard Nixon

Richard Nixon wrote about the 1968 campaign in his book RN: the Memoirs of Richard Nixon originally published in 1978.

In his book, Nixon wrote this about campaigning in the south, “The deep south had to be virtually conceded to George Wallace. I could not match him there without compromising on civil rights, which I would not do.”

The media coverage of the 1968 presidential race also showed that Nixon was in favor of the Civil Rights and would not compromise on that issue. For example, in an article published in the Washington Post on September 15, 1968 headlined “Nixon Sped Integration, Wallace says” Wallace declared that Nixon agreed with Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren and played a role in ”the destruction of public school system.” Wallace pledged to restore the school system, in the same article, by giving it back to the states ”lock, stock, and barrel.”

Among the southern states, George Wallace won Arkansas , Mississippi , Alabama , Georgia and Louisiana . Nixon won North Carolina , South Carolina , Florida , Virginia , and Tennessee.

“I would not concede the Carolina ‘s, Florida , or Virginia or the states around the rim of the south,”Nixon wrote. ”These states were a part of my plan.”

Nixon won those states strictly on economic issues. He focused on increasing tariffs on foreign imports to protect the manufacturing and agriculture industries of those states. Some southern elected officials agreed to support him for the sake of their economies, including South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond.

Among the southern states, George Wallace won Arkansas , Mississippi , Alabama , Georgia and Louisiana . Nixon won North Carolina , South Carolina , Florida , Virginia , and Tennessee.

“I would not concede the Carolina ‘s, Florida , or Virginia or the states around the rim of the south,”Nixon wrote. ”These states were a part of my plan.”

Nixon won those states strictly on economic issues. He focused on increasing tariffs on foreign imports to protect the manufacturing and agriculture industries of those states. Some southern elected officials agreed to support him for the sake of their economies, including South Carolina Senator Strom Thurmond.

Also lets not forget the evil George Wallace ran as a Democrat in the southern states

 

[TheGreatA]

BLM isn't even a group. Anyone can use the hashtag or hold up a sign and declare themselves part of it and claim to speak for it. So I'll tell you what I told Mick, there are extreme elements in it, but they are effectively marginalized. The unifying idea--that discriminatory policing is bad and that the criminal justice system often acts as if black victims are less important--is not extreme. With Campaign Zero, some BLM activists came up with very reasonable solutions to some of the problems that have been outlined.

You could make the exact same argument for this "alt-right", that much of what people consider as proof of the inherent racism of the "alt-right", is actually just a bunch of youtube personalities, 4chan trolls and so on extending the vision to suit their own purposes, not necessarily an accurate depiction of the movement's true objectives.

 

[Satur9]

You could make the exact same argument for this "alt-right", that much of what people consider as proof of the inherent racism of the "alt-right", is actually just a bunch of youtube personalities, 4chan trolls and so on extending the vision to suit their own purposes, not necessarily an accurate depiction of the movement's true objectives.

Then you are asking people to hold everyone to the same standards, friend or foe. Good luck with that.

 

[TheGreatA]

Then you are asking people to hold everyone to the same standards, friend or foe. Good luck with that.

I'm sure the usual "mental gymnastics" will be exercised to spin the argument in a way where the same standards somehow do not apply to the other.

 

[ehtheist]

Alt-right? That's a new one on me.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You could make the exact same argument for this "alt-right", that much of what people consider as proof of the inherent racism of the "alt-right", is actually just a bunch of youtube personalities, 4chan trolls and so on extending the vision to suit their own purposes, not necessarily an accurate depiction of the movement's true objectives.

The term "alt right" was coined by a white supremacist to describe the racist right movement. Trump's campaign head used to run Breitbart, which he described as a platform for the alt right. Not really equivalent. It is the movement. Further, if someone wrote a manifesto of the alt right, no one else associated with the movement would be obliged to accept it as representative.

Now, someone who considers himself on the right and rejects both the alt right and the mainstream right is a different story.

 

[ucunc156]

Teap Partiers have kinda seemed to die off quickly. I consider guys like Ted Cruz and his supporters to be tea partiers.

Alt right is a totally different story to me. Half of it is internet trolling that got repeated so much that some people believe that shit now.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Nationalism = White Nationalism

Alt-right = 4chan

No Racism = Systematic Racism


Liberals keep trying to make everything about racism and bigots to serve the cause of social justice. You here more about racism from them than actual racists

Yeah this kind of thing used to be funny but it's becoming more alarming than anything at this point. I mean what do you do with a group of people who insist that another group hates them and then uses that hate to demand some form of justice that can never been given? It leads those on the left to feel emboldened and justified to "fight back" and then you see things like this:

This is what happens when you spend decades characterizing people in a way that completely strips them of their humanity. This is what happens when you spend decades telling people they are oppressed and the country is against them.

The left in this country is vile and the single greatest threat to individual liberty in this country and ultimately the world.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Teap Partiers have kinda seemed to die off quickly. I consider guys like Ted Cruz and his supporters to be tea partiers.

Alt right is a totally different story to me. Half of it is internet trolling that got repeated so much that some people believe that shit now.

Really, it's Fox News vs. Breitbart. There are other angles you can look from (like deficit hysteria vs. minority crime hysteria), but that sums it up.

This is what happens when you spend decades characterizing people in a way that completely strips them of their humanity. This is what happens when you spend decades telling people they are oppressed and the country is against them.

That perfectly sums up the right today.

 

[Greoric]

No reason. I forgot i was talking to someone who claims that the only time capitalism impacts people negatively is when the markets aren't free enough.

I wasn't talking about capitalism. I was talking about communism, and yes, that's the only time where employees have been widely exploited. Why? Because there was only one employer.

In any event reading your posts I realize it escapes you how wages are set in the marketplace to begin with.