All Time GOAT poll

[Post 2 Decision]

There should be a ban on Debbie Downers who come on threads they don't like to complain of monthly cramping.

It's always the same shit with these threads, and it's always the same people sucking the cocks of their favourite GOAT

Just a pointless discussion, no use arguing over it

There is a stickied thread anyway

 

[Dbreiden83080]

That statement helps GSP if anything.

GSP has 3 WW title wins post ACL tear. And in those fights, GSP didn't look nearly as physically capable than previous.

And then he won the MW belt after a second ACL tear on his other leg, against a fighter who beat Silva less than 2 years earlier.

Silva had no comparable injuries during his title reign that he needed to come back from. Since coming back from his leg injury, he is 1-6-1.

If you look at how GSP shot in for his double leg, for example at UFC 100 compared to the Condit fight. Massive difference in speed..

 

[ShreddinMMA]

If you look at how GSP shot in for his double leg, for example at UFC 100 compared to the Condit fight. Massive difference in speed..

The fact Nick Diaz was able to stop any of GSP's takedowns further illustrates this point.

GSP had a clear decline in his performances post ACL injuries, and he still kept winning.

 

[Iron Nick]

• Anderson Silva has had at least as many, if not twice as much losses as GSP, when comparing their primes (or versions of them were they are still close to it). He also struggled against competent wrestlers, which to me is important, because wrestlers are one of the most common fighter types in MMA. Him popping doesn't play as much of a role as it does for Jones though, as Silva's prime years all were pre-USADA.

• Jon Jones has popped multiple times (post-USADA), fought in a division which hasn't got the same talent pool as 170 or 145 and very rarely fought opponents that were naturally equal to him in size - when he did, he struggled heavily two out of three times (Gus I + Reyes, against who he lost in the eyes of many.)

• Georges St-Pierre had a close fight with Hendricks and (got) greased against BJ Penn.

• Fedor Emelianenko fought in a division which was (very) stacked for its standards, but still not comparable to weightclasses in the "normal" range (145-170) and fought some sub-par fighters in between.

• Demetrious Johnson should have one more loss (it was a judges mistake when the fight against McCall was judged as a MD, IIRC) and fought in a weightclass which isn't as stacked as 145-170 either, although it's far more stacked than people realize, arguably as stacked, if not more stacked than 205, for example.

• Jose Aldo had this phishy incident where he spilled the urine-test, got finished in his absolute prime (McGregor) and twice close to his prime by Max Holloway.

See? We can do this for literally anyone out of these guys.
Doesn't mean that (in the case of this thread) Georges St-Pierre isn't a very legitimate contender for being the greatest fighter of all time.

I do by the way think it's between Demetrious Johnson and Georges St-Pierre, but Emelianenko and Aldo are fine too, especially because Aldo fought by far the best opponents, skill-wise.
It shouldn't be controversial to name Anderson Silva or Jon Jones as the G.O.A.T. either, although i disagree with these choices.

 

[Iron Nick]

I am a Massive GSP Fan, but that loss to Serra never should have happened.. You get caught I understand.. But Jesus Serra did NOT belong in the cage with GSP..

Shit happens, yup - that's what happens when you underestimate your opponents, which GSP - i think - in the case of Serra admitted to.

 

[Joshuagilbert91]

Personally I have it...
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Anderson

while I don't personally factor in the PED stuff... if you did I could see GSP being #1... it depends on how you judge it. GSP left on top twice, no PEDS, and didn't have the later career losses that Anderson or Fedor had.

 

[Iron Nick]

Anderson was in his prime too.

Yeah, seems fair to conclude that and what you mentioned was part of why i brought it up.

 

[Entram]

This answer to this question is 100% based on your stance on PEDS.

 

[ImLovinIt]

Anderson reigned during a weak division. All his contenders had lost streaks after title shots. Henderson and Franklin were his notable wins. Even Belfort was before he was all juiced. His body looked soft when they fought.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

This answer to this question is 100% based on your stance on PEDS.

I agree.. Resume wise, Jones is the GOAT.. But PED's..

 

[krelianx]

He's the only two division champ, best rounded, clean, and faced insanely high level competition. No unavenged losses either.

 

[krelianx]

Because was in his prime vs. Serra.

Anderson was in his prime when he got beat by Takase and Ryo Chonan, for that matter.

If your criterion for being "in your prime" is age then Silva was in his prime then. GSP changed a great deal in the way he fought after the Serra loss, so if you're going by skill, then no, GSP did not lose in his prime against Serra.

 

[po_thead]

See the goat thread

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Yet here you are. Welp if you're gonna be here might as well not be a Downer. Crack a joke or add to the discussion. Just coming in to be a Downer though.... Boo get this man outta here

Get these GOAT threads every day, they're all the same. I did add to the discussion, I recommended keeping these GOAT talks to the stickied thread.

 

[Deleted member 499399]

GSP is the GOAT because the peds make a differnce.
Jones Silva and GSP all ruled their division and consitantly beat all the top contenders.
I would say without peds Jones is top because he only "lost" to Hammil. GSP next because he avenged his only losses.
Silva next due to some losses but still one of the greatest.
Finishes or excitment mean nothing. There are lots of guys more exciting than Jones and Silva if we wanted to discuss most exciting fighter.

 

[Pascal Bergeron]

• Anderson Silva has had at least as many, if not twice as much losses as GSP, when comparing their primes (or versions of them were they are still close to it). He also struggled against competent wrestlers, which to me is important, because wrestlers are one of the most common fighter types in MMA. Him popping doesn't play as much of a role as it does for Jones though, as Silva's prime years all were pre-USADA.

• Jon Jones has popped multiple times (post-USADA), fought in a division which hasn't got the same talent pool as 170 or 145 and very rarely fought opponents that were naturally equal to him in size - when he did, he struggled heavily two out of three times (Gus I + Reyes, against who he lost in the eyes of many.)

• Georges St-Pierre had a close fight with Hendricks and (got) greased against BJ Penn.

• Fedor Emelianenko fought in a division which was (very) stacked for its standards, but still not comparable to weightclasses in the "normal" range (145-170) and fought some sub-par fighters in between.

• Demetrious Johnson should have one more loss (it was a judges mistake when the fight against McCall was judged as a MD, IIRC) and fought in a weightclass which isn't as stacked as 145-170 either, although it's far more stacked than people realize, arguably as stacked, if not more stacked than 205, for example.

• Jose Aldo had this phishy incident where he spilled the urine-test, got finished in his absolute prime (McGregor) and twice close to his prime by Max Holloway.

See? We can do this for literally anyone out of these guys.
Doesn't mean that (in the case of this thread) Georges St-Pierre isn't a very legitimate contender for being the greatest fighter of all time.

I do by the way think it's between Demetrious Johnson and Georges St-Pierre, but Emelianenko and Aldo are fine too, especially because Aldo fought by far the best opponents, skill-wise.
It shouldn't be controversial to name Anderson Silva or Jon Jones as the G.O.A.T. either, although i disagree with these choices.

DJ fight against mcCall was announced a majority decision for DJ but it was a mistake and since it was for the tournament the rules were a 4th round if it was a draw but they already left when they realized the mistake if the judge who gave 10-10 in the first round would have gave that round for mccall the fight would have been a split draw instead of a majority draw so no matter if that judge wanted to score the round for mccall or not the result would still be a draw in the other hand if he wanted to score the first round for DJ then he would have won the fight by majority draw like announced

 

[Post 2 Decision]

That has nothing to do with your opinion on the actual topic but nice mental gymnastics

It is my opinion: These threads are dumb.

 

[Iron Nick]

DJ fight against mcCall was announced a majority decision for DJ but it was a mistake and since it was for the tournament the rules were a 4th round if it was a draw but they already left when they realized the mistake if the judge who gave 10-10 in the first round would have gave that round for mccall the fight would have been a split draw instead of a majority draw so no matter if that judge wanted to score the round for mccall or not the result would still be a draw in the other hand if he wanted to score the first round for DJ then he would have won the fight by majority draw like announced

 

[DFresh1]

I don't care about past prime losses to be fair. Anyone can retire at 32 due to the fear of losing.

Or leave their division, because...?

 

[DFresh1]

Anderson Silva holds nearly all of UFC’s most prestigious records. Silva is the UFC GOAT and it’s not close.

Also, MMA was built on PEDs. Everyone is on steroids including your favorite fighter.

So you just gave up on that now? Silva cheated, but its OK? Sad - GSP greased (as did Silva) but your biased ass would only ever recall GSP. You opinion is worth less than shit.