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All Time GOAT poll

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Tachy, Feb 23, 2019.

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Who is the current GOAT

  1. GSP

    35.2%
  2. Fedor

    26.2%
  3. Silva

    8.8%
  4. Jones

    21.8%
  5. Johnson

    1.5%
  6. Other

    5.4%
  7. Aldo

    1.1%
  1. mmathurbator Green Belt

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    those first two with frankie were not one sided. the second one was somewhat one sided but most people thought that BJ won the first one. frankie won via appearing to be more active to the judges and getting takedowns, which bj just got right back up from after receiving zero damage.
     
  2. SuperNerd Season Mode.

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  3. mmathurbator Green Belt

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    exactly this. khabib hid from challenges, and bj faced everyone who he could. records are going to look different on paper when you get fat just so you can fight MWs and HWs as a natural FW. Guy has more of a claim than Khabib does to being lw GOAT. That zero in khabibs record represents being conservative. He always pulled out of fights when he was the tiniest bit injured, where other guys had to fight or wanted to fight. Call it smart if you want, but he's not the LW goat.
     
  4. JKS 77+&--#rT....

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    BJ was a very good fighter in his day and was in the goat talks around 2008 when he was on his title run, but after Edgar took his belt, then Bendo, then Khabib, BJ isn't even top 3 LW goat. BJ goat status is more pushed by his willingness to fight bigger opponents, heart and just being a real fighter. Of course his title run and WW title win is part of that, but there are many that have accomplished multiple title wins. He's in the 10-20 range perhaps in goat rankings.
     
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  5. mmathurbator Green Belt

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    Penn is LW goat until someone else gets more defenses and accomplishments. Khabib has a 0 because he barely fought anyone. Thats not an accomplishment in fighting, its a lack of them. They have a tie for defenses. Penn fought and beat more names in his day and top 10 guys in the world though. LW Goat easy. Not MMA GOAT but LW GOAT.
     
  6. mmathurbator Green Belt

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    REAL TALK. Emotional fanboys are gonna get emotional though.
     
  7. Cpt Migraine Never out of likes..

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    I didn't say shit!
     
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  8. Repsac Brown Belt

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    he did? is there a video?
     
  9. ThunderStruck Silver Belt

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    He was definitely in the goat decision back in the days.
     
  10. Hatorade Purple Belt

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    Penn was maybe the best p4p fighter the sport has ever seen in his prime. That's why people talk about his greatness. He's the only fighter we've ever actually see dominate GSP (who is the GOAT) for any length of time. He also did that while weighing in at a soft 168lbs. Had he had better cardio, he would have handed GSP his only decision loss in their first fight. The guy was a freak

    The problem is that he took on all comers and fought long after he should have. If BJ would have fought at LW his entire career and retired in his early 30's he would have only had a few losses, and we wouldn't be having this discussion because he would never have fought the likes of : Nick Diaz, Lyoto Machida, Matt Hughes, GSP, Rory McDonald John Fitch. He also would not have any of those embarrassing way past prime loses.
     
  11. PunchyMcSplodo Yellow Belt

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    Nah, that's Sakuraba, a LW (170 lbs without cutting) who actually won a string of fights against LHW and HW monsters like Rampage, Vitor, and Kevin Randleman.
     
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  12. Bend NvR Break Order to Chaos. Chaos to Order.

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    No he's not.

    We stop BJ at this third title defense and his resume is superior.

    Saying people like Gaethje, McGregor, Al and Poirier is better than Diego, KenFlo, Joe Daddy, and Sherk is novelty fallacy at its finest.
     
  13. Zorro Blue Belt

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    So you decided to make another one? That's a novel idea, I'm sure there we will be a lot of new and original additions to the discussion
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  14. Kryptt Dead Belt Platinum Member

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    Glad you decided upon that - had so many of us concerned that he might actually be considered.

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  15. Chomsky Honk Black Belt

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    I have him somewhere around top 8-15 of all time. Definitely under the obvious choices and guys like Big Nog, Hendo, and Frankie imo. He’s also an interesting fighter to rank because he has like 50 loses. Also, lmao at bringing up the 50-45 in the first Edgar fight. I personally scored 1,2 and 4 clearly for BJ, so I honestly do think he should have got the nod. However it was such a boring sparing match that I don’t really care too much about that fight especially when Frankie owned him in the rematch. But that 50-45 scorecard was egregious.
     
  16. Red Dragoniop LITT ROMNEY

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    he was top in his day.. but id say he sure ruined his legacy
     
  17. COBRA03 Black Belt

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    BJ Penn GOAT??? <Lmaoo> Not even close. Maybe one of the toughest fighters ever, but not great.
     
  18. Thepaintbucket Gold Belt

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    Some fighters just don't know when to hang it up. If losing at the end of your career disqualifies you then a lot of past goats wouldn't qualify. Personally I'd rather compare two fighters skillsets and who they fought in their primes / peak of their career over just a blind winning record.

    Penn was a great fighter. It doesn't matter if its 2021 or 2050. Skills are skills. Now I don't think he would have been able to beat khabib. At the same time he has qualities many fighters aren't willing to do like the willingness to take risk by moving upto fight Hughes, GSP etc.
     
  19. Killer Whale Green Belt

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    BJ is cemented in history as one of the GOATS of MMA and nothing is going to change that. Doesn’t matter how you feel about it.
     
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  20. maximus__ Brown Belt

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    Khabib fought 6 fights against top guys. BJ Penn has a who who of his era LW's, WW's and even a HW Machida fight on his resume. The dude fought at WW for much of his career and captured a belt up there as a FW. You can argue people weren't as good then if you llike, but that also discredits most of Khabibs wins.

    Khabib's record would look similar if he had stuck around for as long as BJ or BJ had gotten to 17 -0 before he started fighting at the top level.
    Equal defences and a win at WW put him in discussion. Khabib has the easiest title fight opponent, a great string of defences and an early win against RDA.
    They are pretty even if you look at their accomplishments. Diego Sanchez was on a tear at that time and well rounded, Florian was pretty good and Sherk was a beast and only lost to the best. They are alll great defences at the time.The WW belt cancels out the losses late in his career in my opinion.
     

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