All Time GOAT poll

[lethalshadow]

if fedor fought like gsp, he'd be undefeated. gsp fights smart , his goal is to win, even if it's a snooze fest. he never really took any risks to create an exciting fite after he got out layed by serra.

 

[pankrat]

if fedor fought like gsp, he'd be undefeated. gsp fights smart , his goal is to win, even if it's a snooze fest. he never really took any risks to create an exciting fite after he got out layed by serra.

Not just to create excitement, but to finish his opponent.
Finishing is a big deal in martial arts and Georges was uncapable of it whether if it was because of lack of confidence in his chin, will to take damage, or lack of skill.

And thats the reason why he was widely, universally considered the inferior p4p fighter than Silva even during his absolute champiosnhip prime:

- Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

 

[pankrat]

2010 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-28930

2011 GSP p4p #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-31030

GOAT rankings :

GSP #1
https://www.tapology.com/rankings/top-ten-all-time-greatest-mma-and-ufc-fighters

GSP #1
https://mmasucka.com/2020/06/02/goat-of-mma/

GSP #1
https://www.fightmatrix.com/all-time-mma-rankings/all-time-absolute/

GSP #1 tied with Khabib
https://www.givemesport.com/1672105-mcgregor-khabib-jones-stpierre-nunes-ufc-goat-contenders-ranked

GSP #1 tied with Jones
https://www.sportbible.com/ufc/news-ufc-and-mma-fighters-ranked-from-goat-to-not-a-fighter-20201121

Latest GOAT poll conducted among fighters (survey among 170 mma fighters) : GSP #1
https://theathletic.com/1856943/2020/06/05/fighters-vote-mma-goat-pound-for-pound-best/

Sherdog's all time goat poll : GSP #1
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/all-time-goat-poll.3916359/page-232#post-167971276

lol ranks made by votes of nerds of your kind in the internet, like tapology and sherdog forum?



We all know GSP has the nerdiest fanbase who tries to revision history on the internet so is that your point? Try to find a bit of dignity.

We all know what pundits (not nerd rats in internet forums like you and others in this thread, but pundits) widely acknowledged during GSP/Silva's prime.

Not just to create excitement, but to finish his opponent.
Finishing is a big deal in martial arts and Georges was uncapable of it whether if it was because of lack of confidence in his chin, will to take damage, or lack of skill.

And thats the reason why he was widely, universally considered the inferior p4p fighter than Silva even during his absolute champiosnhip prime:

- Official sherdog p4p rankings during GSP championship years:

2012 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-45047

2011 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-36383

2010 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-23166

2009 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/Sherdogcoms-PoundforPound-Top-10-17145

2008 - Silva #1
https://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/GSP-Moves-Up-P4P-List-But-Not-to-Top-12459

Stick to the videogames and the anime shit.

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[ThunderStruck]

lol ranks made by votes of nerds of your kind in the internet, like tapology and sherdog forum?



We all know GSP has the nerdiest fanbase who tries to revision history on the internet so is that your point? Try to find a bit of dignity.

We all know what pundits (not nerd rats in internet forums like you and others in this thread, but pundits) widely acknowledged during GSP/Silva's prime.




Stick to the videogames and the anime shit.

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You're mad that GSP is a greater GOAT than Silva.

 

[pankrat]

You're mad that GSP is a greater GOAT than Silva.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Still waiting on your source that says otherwise.

 

[franquito]

Is there anything he could do at HW to convince you otherwise?


It seems to me that almost every argument against his place as #1 rests on the positive steroid tests. I am not making this thread to argue that is invalid. I am not even arguing that Jones is the GOAT. I am simply asking those who rank someone else higher, if he has a path to reach that #1 rank in your mind.


A win over Stipe is easily dismissed due to age and cumulative damage

Gane got out-wrestled by Francis

Outpointing Francis, Lewis, Tai, could be downplayed due to relative slowness and lack of diverse striking

A win over Blaydes or Aspinall would be impressive, but they are ranked lower in the top 10


If he comes back and tests clean, what HW wins would cement his status as the greatest, in your eyes?

 

[markantony20]

If he just fights at heavyweight I’ll be impressed.

 

[ferrisjso]

I feel if he cleans out HW they are going to go the "one positive test invalidates a whole career" route like the cowards they are.

 

[VinceArch]

Jon isn't GOAT though.

 

[loisestrad]

Jon isn't GOAT though.

No, he's one of 3-4 in consideration.

 

[BFoe]

No, there’s nothing he could do. His entire career is an asterisk because of his numerous PED issues. Has nothing to do with what weight class he fights in.

 

[DjolexMTL]

I feel if he cleans out HW they are going to go the "one positive test invalidates a whole career" route like the cowards they are.

I think Jones is a tremendous fighter, but unfortunately he doesnt only have "one positive test"

 

[HaulParris]

Is there anything he could do at HW to convince you otherwise?


It seems to me that almost every argument against his place as #1 rests on the positive steroid tests. I am not making this thread to argue that is invalid. I am not even arguing that Jones is the GOAT. I am simply asking those who rank someone else higher, if he has a path to reach that #1 rank in your mind.


A win over Stipe is easily dismissed due to age and cumulative damage

Gane got out-wrestled by Francis

Outpointing Francis, Lewis, Tai, could be downplayed due to relative slowness and lack of diverse striking

A win over Blaydes or Aspinall would be impressive, but they are ranked lower in the top 10


If he comes back and tests clean, what HW wins would cement his status as the greatest, in your eyes?

Good question. I think that if he does get the HW belt and beats Stipe's record of 3 title defenses, it will be enough to sway some people who were undecided. For me, his multiple failed PED tests and his violent and reckless criminal behavior outside the cage, have turned me from being a fan of his, to someone who doesn't care to watch him compete.

 

[BFoe]

I feel if he cleans out HW they are going to go the "one positive test invalidates a whole career" route like the cowards they are.

What do you mean, one positive test? Dude has had a shitload of positive tests.
https://www.mmanews.com/2021/12/the-hidden-asterisks-behind-jon-joness-drug-test-history-2/

 

[Sweater of AV]

He would have to beat Francis and one other top HW without needing USADA to wipe his ass.

Also, I really couldn't care less about Stipe-Jones at this point. Stipe will need a wheelchair to get to the cage.

 

[Goatenstein]

If he signed a contract to fight anyone at HW I'd be impressed.

 

[13Seconds]

It seems to me that almost every argument against his place as #1 rests on the positive steroid tests.

You see guys like TJ and Anderson getting slammed for one positive test. Jones failed 5000 tests.

 

[mahavishnunj]

I feel if he cleans out HW they are going to go the "one positive test invalidates a whole career" route like the cowards they are.

It wasn't just one though, he has clearly juiced the entire time. Also, GOAT discussions are dumb as fuck.

 

[Arrrrgh]

LOL at the bullshit rhetoric implied by "deny."

As in there isn't really an argument, TS think Jon is undisputably the GOAT and is flabbergasted by the denial of haters.

Fedor is GOAT.
GSP is smaller GOAT.
Silva is GOAT's GOAT
Jon's GOAT at doing coke and getting arrested.

These are just facts,
in this subjective debate.

GOAT thread #9,309,287.

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And here is a picture of GOAT surrounded by GOAT POOP, because thread needed it: