All Time GOAT poll
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Clearly it’s Fedor.
Gsp is ufc goat.
Gsp is ufc goat.
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Anderson Silva 8.8%...
Not even close to being the GOAT.
Must be a conspiracy
Not even close to being the GOAT.
Must be a conspiracy
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Do you think the main reason most people who consider GSP the UFC GOAT is that Anderson and Jones roided?
It seems like GSP is considered the UFC GOAT, not because of his own merits, but because what others did outside the cage.
GSP's title reign was from 2007 to 2013, and yet he was overshadowed almost every year by Anderson Silva and later by Jon Jones. GSP was only clearly the best UFC fighter in 2009. That's only 1 year out of 6 years.
Kinda reminds me of DC being the LHW champion. Everybody knew he wasn't the best fighter, but since Jones failed his drug test, he got the LHW belt. The way I see it, people went like: "OK, Anderson and Jones were clearly the best, but they got busted. Lets see who's further down the list".
"Oh it's GSP".
Such reasoning seems a bit weird since GSP only had 1 fight under USADA, in which he didn't exactly look like a world beater. History has proven that roiders can test clean for at least 1 fight. Both Anderson and Jones have tested clean under USADA before, so 1 fight hardly proves anything.
Furthermore, being fair and honest seems like a weird argument to favor GSP, since he has a history of greasing with vaseline, which, just like steroids, could have been a factor to win fights. And despite being very vocal about fighters getting drug tested, he was acting very shady when WADA was about test him for his fight vs. Hendricks; asking all kinds of weird questions, like whether they would test him for HGH and other banned substances. Something which even the NSAC director found odd.
Roids or not, I can't think of another sport where a GOAT wasn't clearly the most dominant of his era, and was instead overshadowed by others. In fact, GOAT's often overshadow proven steroid users, which makes them even greater.
Is GSP the consolation UFC GOAT?
It seems like GSP is considered the UFC GOAT, not because of his own merits, but because what others did outside the cage.
GSP's title reign was from 2007 to 2013, and yet he was overshadowed almost every year by Anderson Silva and later by Jon Jones. GSP was only clearly the best UFC fighter in 2009. That's only 1 year out of 6 years.
Kinda reminds me of DC being the LHW champion. Everybody knew he wasn't the best fighter, but since Jones failed his drug test, he got the LHW belt. The way I see it, people went like: "OK, Anderson and Jones were clearly the best, but they got busted. Lets see who's further down the list".
"Oh it's GSP".
Such reasoning seems a bit weird since GSP only had 1 fight under USADA, in which he didn't exactly look like a world beater. History has proven that roiders can test clean for at least 1 fight. Both Anderson and Jones have tested clean under USADA before, so 1 fight hardly proves anything.
Furthermore, being fair and honest seems like a weird argument to favor GSP, since he has a history of greasing with vaseline, which, just like steroids, could have been a factor to win fights. And despite being very vocal about fighters getting drug tested, he was acting very shady when WADA was about test him for his fight vs. Hendricks; asking all kinds of weird questions, like whether they would test him for HGH and other banned substances. Something which even the NSAC director found odd.
Roids or not, I can't think of another sport where a GOAT wasn't clearly the most dominant of his era, and was instead overshadowed by others. In fact, GOAT's often overshadow proven steroid users, which makes them even greater.
Is GSP the consolation UFC GOAT?
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Best UFC fighter per year during GSP's title reign IMHO:
2006: Anderson destroys Franklin and wins the MW belt. GSP barely beats BJ and then beats Hughes to win the WW belt. Close one. But Anderson didn't arguably lose a fight and looked more dominant.
Winner: Anderson
2007: GSP got tapped by Serra. Anderson beat Rich Franklin for the 2nd time.
Winner: Anderson
2008: Anderson beats Henderson, moves up to LHW and wins. GSP finishes Serra (who was unranked before fighting GSP) and decisions Fitch. Anderson's wins were clearly better.
Winner: Anderson.
2009: Anderson has a boring decision over Leites, but later brutalizes a top 5 LHW. GSP TKO's former LW in BJ Penn (last finish of his title reign) and decisions Alves. Anderson moved up and had the most impressive win.
Winner: Anderson.
2010: Anderson decisions Maia and barely beats Sonnen. GSP decisions Hardy and Koscheck. GSP's wins were more dominant.
Winner: GSP
2011: GSP decisions Jake Shields. Anderson KO's Vitor and Okami. Jon Jones destroys Bader, Shogun, Rampage and Machida. There is no doubt who was the best.
Winner: Jon Jones
2012: GSP decisions Condit. Anderson finishes Sonnen and Bonnar at LHW. Jones beats Rashad and Vitor. It's a close one between Anderson and Jones, but Rashad was the highest quality win.
Winner: Jon Jones.
2013: GSP decisions Nick Diaz and arguably loses a decision to Hendricks. Anderson gets KO'd by Weidman. Jones finishes Sonnen and barely beats Gustafsson. It's close between Jon and GSP, but I think Jon's win over Gustafsson was clearer than GSP's win over Hendricks.
Winner: Jon Jones.
2006: Anderson destroys Franklin and wins the MW belt. GSP barely beats BJ and then beats Hughes to win the WW belt. Close one. But Anderson didn't arguably lose a fight and looked more dominant.
Winner: Anderson
2007: GSP got tapped by Serra. Anderson beat Rich Franklin for the 2nd time.
Winner: Anderson
2008: Anderson beats Henderson, moves up to LHW and wins. GSP finishes Serra (who was unranked before fighting GSP) and decisions Fitch. Anderson's wins were clearly better.
Winner: Anderson.
2009: Anderson has a boring decision over Leites, but later brutalizes a top 5 LHW. GSP TKO's former LW in BJ Penn (last finish of his title reign) and decisions Alves. Anderson moved up and had the most impressive win.
Winner: Anderson.
2010: Anderson decisions Maia and barely beats Sonnen. GSP decisions Hardy and Koscheck. GSP's wins were more dominant.
Winner: GSP
2011: GSP decisions Jake Shields. Anderson KO's Vitor and Okami. Jon Jones destroys Bader, Shogun, Rampage and Machida. There is no doubt who was the best.
Winner: Jon Jones
2012: GSP decisions Condit. Anderson finishes Sonnen and Bonnar at LHW. Jones beats Rashad and Vitor. It's a close one between Anderson and Jones, but Rashad was the highest quality win.
Winner: Jon Jones.
2013: GSP decisions Nick Diaz and arguably loses a decision to Hendricks. Anderson gets KO'd by Weidman. Jones finishes Sonnen and barely beats Gustafsson. It's close between Jon and GSP, but I think Jon's win over Gustafsson was clearer than GSP's win over Hendricks.
Winner: Jon Jones.
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Cormier is the consolation GOAT, IMO
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Gsp was a boring point fighter who had support because of Canada and because he was a nice guy. Anderson has an amazing highlight reel and even Jon Jones who isn't a hard hitter still finished guys
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Dan Hardy is one of the weakest title challengers ever.
Maia might be the best BJJ fighter in the history of MMA and AS's win over Chael is the mma equivalent of Doug Flutie's hail Mary against Miami or the Music City miracle.
2010 is still Andersen.
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I'd say so
No unbiased fan would ever consider GSP the goat by his in-cage accomplishments. Anderson and Jones far outshine him in skills and dominance.
That's why drug tests are brought up in every single goat discussion, because GSP hasn't done enough in the octagon to be awarded the goat distinction, so his biased fans turn to outside, mostly irrelevant factors
No unbiased fan would ever consider GSP the goat by his in-cage accomplishments. Anderson and Jones far outshine him in skills and dominance.
That's why drug tests are brought up in every single goat discussion, because GSP hasn't done enough in the octagon to be awarded the goat distinction, so his biased fans turn to outside, mostly irrelevant factors
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that’s why he’s called grease safe pierre. Wouldn’t have handled penn that way without it
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You can make a comparison between 3 and GSP would still be below Jones and Silva. I think there's little doubt that GSP was the least impressive of the 3.
I know GSP won the last GOAT poll. I'm just asking whether Jones and Anderson popping was a factor.
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2006: Anderson beats Ace to capture MW Championship. GSP beats Penn and Hughes to capture Championsip.
Winner: GSP.
2007: Anderson beats Marquardt and Franklin. GSP loses to Serra and beats Hughes and Kos.
Winner: Anderson
2008: Anderson beats Hendo. GSP beats Fitch and Serra.
winner: GSP.
2009: Anderson beats Thales and Forrest. GSP beats BJ and Alves.
Winner: depends if you rank Forrest higher than BJ. I don't as BJ was ranked number 1. GSP.
2010: Anderson beats Damian and Shael. GSP beats Hardy and Kos.
Winner: Anderson
2011: Anderson beats Vitor and Yushin. GSP beats Shields.
Winner: Anderson
2012: Anderson beats Shael and Bonnar. GSP beats Condit.
Winner: Anderson
2013: Anderson loses twice to the Chris Weiner. GSP beats DIaz and Hendricks.
Winner: GSP
2017: Anderson beats Brunson. GSP beats Bisping to capture MW belt.
Winner: GSP.
Side note: Anderson popping is a factor for an individual to consider. Something else to consider is that he has been racking up a ton of losses outside of what we've said.
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I don't see how Serra and Fitch can be better than finishing Hendo.
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And how do you support this argument other than NOT being a GSP fan? The Cash Register certainly disagrees as GSP was, and still would be today a bigger star than both. And Silva's legacy has taken a hit because of hanging so damn long more than steroids. That is one thing GSP has over other GOAT candidates. We did NOT see GSP hang around for years on end, taking 1 bad beating after another..
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Hendo was ranked top 5 (somewhere around 3 to 5).
Besides being Champion, Serra wasn't a big deal. Fitch was as solid at number 2 as GSP was at number 1.
I think beating number 2 and a random is better than beating someone ranked about at number 4.
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Maybe against Jon but not Anderson. Both Bones and Silva are roiders but Jon faced the absolute highest competition, I had GSP behind Jon before the PED's.
With Anderson his level of competition had always been a joke in comparison, so I never considered him as the GOAT at any point.
With Anderson his level of competition had always been a joke in comparison, so I never considered him as the GOAT at any point.
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