Law alien enemies act grants LEO permission to enter a home without a warrant.

[DoctorTaco]

Exclusive: DOJ memo offers blueprint to Tren de Aragua deportation plan

Trump administration officials directed police to circumvent courts and pursue gang members into their homes without a warrant, a new document shows.

www.usatoday.com

Legal experts examined the document that reveals the following:

• It provides directives to front-line officers apprehending suspected Tren de Aragua members, suggesting officers obtain a warrant of apprehension and removal “as much as practicable.” Those administrative warrants are signed by immigration officers, not judges like criminal warrants.
• Due to a “dynamic nature of law enforcement procedures” officers are free to "apprehend aliens" based on their “reasonable belief” they meet the definitions, the memo states.
• It purports to grant authority for police to enter a suspected "Alien Enemy’s residence" if “circumstances render it impracticable” to first obtain a warrant.

Should we start a constitutional rights bingo card and stamp them out as we lose them?

ICE agents operating in plain clothes and masks are allowed to enter someone’s home without a warrant and take them away to a third world gulag without any due process what so ever.

Neat.

 

[tastaylvr]

So much for guns being used against a tyrannical government lol

Americans love to bark

 

[Deorum]

Yes, Doc Taco. It's really bad. And here we go!

Alien Enemies Act of 1798. It's humorous to see people proudly associate the law with John Adams for extra emphasis as if it wasn't a huge stain on his regrettable one term presidency. The dude served as George Washington's VP for eight years and still didn't seem to know what the hell he was doing by the time it was his turn, nor did he have the mental composure to handle the duties. A premier founding father, rofl. It is what it is. Adams was terribly mediocre at best, and a borderline can as POTUS.

The invocation of the Alien Enemies Act has always ended in disgrace. It was a mess when Wilson did it and a disaster for FDR, both occurred during World Wars. It's bemusing to see people proudly draw it back to John Adams. All the respect in the world to Adams as a principal founder who held a lifelong opposition to slavery but he was not a good POTUS, and the Alien & Sedition Acts of 1798 were one of the biggest stains of his crisis filled single-term.

Imagine John Adams with a front row seat as VP observing Washington hold the entire new American experiment together through stoic leadership with an extraordinary level of composure and compromise while setting numerous precedents and standards for the office -- establishing the executive cabinet system, overseeing the creation of the federal judiciary and US Navy, signing the first federal copyright law recognizing the value of intellectual property, personally quelling a major tax revolt, issuing the neutrality proclamation and negotiatiating the Jay Treaty. He must've thought it was going to be a breeze.

Border Security, for sure. The work there has been nothing short of historic, full credit. Immigration has jumped the gun with the invocation of the Alien Enemies Act (which never ends well) and due process violations. It's a big red flag, hit the brakes thing that I can not condone in good conscience.

It we don't honor and uphold the Constitution, then we no longer have a country as we know it. Unacceptable. I am a notorious border security hawk and very much in favor of deportations (actually two separate albeit interconnected issues), but invoking the infamous Alien Enemies Act was absurd and I will not condone due process violations.

 

[Fury]

So much for guns being used against a tyrannical government lol

Americans love to bark

A very real chance they may be used against agents storming people's homes

 

[Deorum]

Should we start a constitutional rights bingo card and stamp them out as we lose them?

ICE agents operating in plain clothes and masks are allowed to enter someone’s home without a warrant and take them away to a third world gulag without any due process what so ever.

Sotomayor, in a recent SCOTUS opinion.

 

[Whippy McGee]

This is the Left interpreting a memo for maximum outrage and getting it 100% wrong. This is what is actually says....

"Trump administration officials directed law enforcement nationwide to pursue suspected gang members into their homes..."

If you are in chase or hot pursuit of a suspected criminal you can follow them into their home without a warrant. That's the law and not a violation of the 4th Amendment according the to SCOTUS. You can do that to a citizen that committed crimes fleeing into their homes too. So what's the issue exactly?

The two scumbags, Nick Penzenstadler and Will Carless that wrote this anti-American propaganda piece should be fired for sucking at their jobs. USA Today ought to clarify and apologize.

 

[terrapin]

the only thing that has me feeling any peace about all this is that trump is an absolute shit show and barely competent.

regardless we are in very dark times indeed. anybody supporting this regime is absolutely putting their own safety in danger in the long run. if it can be used against "them" it can be used against "you".

 

[Kingz]

Poor gangbangers

 

[Whippy McGee]

the only thing that has me feeling any peace about all this is that trump is an absolute shit show and barely competent.

regardless we are very dark times indeed. anybody supporting this regime is absolutely putting their own safety in danger in the long run. if it can be used against "them" it can be used against "you".

Perhaps you guys should familiarize yourselves with United States v. Santana (1976), where the Supreme Court upheld this type of warrantless entry during a pursuit.

 

[Deorum]

So much for guns being used against a tyrannical government lol

Americans love to bark

The tyrannical government angle has been laughably delusional horseshit for a good century or so at least, and especially post-NFA. The modern function of the 2A is for self-defense and recreational use, full stop.

 

[terrapin]

Perhaps you guys should familiarize yourselves with United States v. Santana (1976), where the Supreme Court upheld this type of warrantless entry during a pursuit.

if you can sit here with a straight face and try to justify the trump cult then you are tfg.


its not you im trying to reach when i post.

 

[Whippy McGee]

if you can sit here with a straight face and try to justify the trump cult then you are tfg.


its not you im trying to reach when i post.

It's 100 legal for LEO's to pursue ANYONE into their home as stated specifically by the landmark decision United States v. Santana (1976).

Your TDS is overriding your acknowledgement of the actual law (which I provided) and the precedent already in place.

 

[terrapin]

It's 100 legal for LEO's to pursue ANYONE into their home as stated specifically by the landmark decision United States v. Santana (1976).

Your TDS is overriding your acknowledgement of the actual law (which I provided) and the precedent already in place.

i said the trump cult... you know the one you already turned your will over to... not just this story.

 

[Whippy McGee]

i said the trump cult... you know the one you already turned your will over to... not just this story.

You're an idiot.

TS (my Sherbro Doctor Taco) got it wrong.

It's not the Alien Enemies Act that grants permission to pursue a criminal into a house, it's United States v. Santana (1976). There is nothing wrong with the memo as far as that goes.

 

[MMA IAN]

if you can sit here with a straight face and try to justify the trump cult then you are tfg.


its not you im trying to reach when i post.

It's the same in Australia and as far as I'm aware everywhere...if police are in a foot chase with a suspect and he runs in through your front door you can expect the police to run through after him.

Have i misunderstood?

I'm the first to caution on expanded police powers that can later come back to bite us under a future administration but I don't see how this is one.

At the same time, police in America deal with some crazy shit due to all the guns and they probably do need the chain loosened a little bit, if criminals can run rings around LEO like in street takeovers that's no good for any one here in this thread.

Ideally, it never would have got this bad to require a change of approach.

 

[James Bomb]

the only thing that has me feeling any peace about all this is that trump is an absolute shit show and barely competent.

regardless we are very dark times indeed. anybody supporting this regime is absolutely putting their own safety in danger in the long run. if it can be used against "them" it can be used against "you".

The thing is they'll just do it anyways and claim that any judge that blocks them is "overstepping their power"

 

[Whippy McGee]

The thing is they'll just do it anyways and claim that any judge that blocks them is "overstepping their power"

... and if LEOs do, they should lose any qualified immunity and be charged. Everyone has a camera nowadays.

 

[terrapin]

You're an idiot.

TS (my Sherbro Doctor Taco) got it wrong.

It's not the Alien Enemies Act that grants permission to pursue a criminal into a house, it's United States v. Santana (1976). There is nothing wrong with the memo as far as that goes.

You are a cult member. It's nothing against you personally as cult members represent many different socioeconomic backgrounds.

But at some point you will see it and for your sake, I hope that you have only been vocal online and won't have too much pride to get off the train when you do.

Be careful man. You could lose yourself.

 

[italiamusica]

Who's to say that people won't think it's a burglar breaking in, and then act accordingly. This kind of stuff is massive bullshit, though, sounds like an easy way for people to abuse their power. Start kicking in everyone's door, stealing from them, raping them, no way for them to prove anything because they won't be given due process.

 

[Whippy McGee]

The thread title is a lie and should be change. I suggest:

United States v. Santana grants LEOs permission to enter a home without a warrant when in pursuit... since 1976​