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ROcknrollracing said:
Rawdog said I am trying to sound macho when it isn't at all.
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I never said that, don't misquote me.

A question arose overnight, does diet matter? Or is that fake too? I mean it's not "bar speed" or "if you really care" so do you dismiss this too?
 
1rawdog said:
I never said that, don't misquote me.

A question arose overnight, does diet matter? Or is that fake too? I mean it's not "bar speed" or "if you really care" so do you dismiss this too?
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Yes diet matters in how you program and that is a question asked in these types of programming models. It doesn't matter what your mental state is or even if you are actually mentally challenged. The only thing that matters is did you lift the weight at a given bar speed or not in an objective manner. If you sandbag warm up sets or if you feel flat then you tell it that and it adjust your prescription for the day. You could purposefully tell it that a given set was harder than you felt but in the end it just adjusts the program. You can do the exact same thing with a trainer. If you want a light workout then walla it spits one out.

I dont think there is any real debate you have except for human interaction.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
What does sleeping too little or the perfect amount have to do with emotion? What does leaving a set of head phones at the house have to do with emotion?

So because you deem a guy looking confident that awards him a point? What happens if the guy is feigning injury to induce an attack and the judges do not know the difference? What you are saying is a great thing to say but it isn't reality. Because An olympic track sprinter looks confident before the race has nothing to do with whether or not he ran a blazing fast world record sprint or not.
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Those all impact a session or event. It's the entire premise behind using RPE training. It's the RPE for that day. That's why it's used for athletes that don;t just lift weights and are impacted by other things.

Do you really want me to go into your log and post when you have said you trained poorly because of poor food, sleep or other reasons. Come on man, you are doubling down and a stupid position again instead of just admitting that it was wrong.

Last Olympics, sprint athlete favourite for a medal wasn't allowed into the venue by a certain gate. It threw her off so much she withdrew from the event/got injured.
"The suggestions from Jamaican camp appear to be that the stress of being locked out of the venue may have contributed to the sprint sensation’s injury when she eventually managed to start her warm-up."


There is an entire field of Sport Psychology for a reason.

Yes. That is part of the scoring criteria. If all else is equal the guy who looks ready to keep going should win that round. That's what the sport says should happen.
 
maximus__ said:
Those all impact a session or event. It's the entire premise behind using RPE training. It's the RPE for that day. That's why it's used for athletes that don;t just lift weights and are impacted by other things.

Do you really want me to go into your log and post when you have said you trained poorly because of poor food, sleep or other reasons. Come on man, you are doubling down and a stupid position again instead of just admitting that it was wrong.

Last Olympics, sprint athlete favourite for a medal wasn't allowed into the venue by a certain gate. It threw her off so much she withdrew from the event/got injured.
"The suggestions from Jamaican camp appear to be that the stress of being locked out of the venue may have contributed to the sprint sensation’s injury when she eventually managed to start her warm-up."


There is an entire field of Sport Psychology for a reason.

Yes. That is part of the scoring criteria. If all else is equal the guy who looks ready to keep going should win that round. That's what the sport says should happen.
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Nobody is doubling down on anything. Just as you believe it is skill that wins fights feel free to go on believing that. I dont care what you do in my log. Pop in and insult me if you'd like. Im going to train regardless of what you do.

AI is fully capable of taking into account poor food, sleep, wellness, heart rate etc. Has nothing to do with RPE. RPE is just a tool to assign load.

I am not sure what this olympic example has to do with anything? That in fact supports what I am telling you. It didnt matter how she felt during the race. Your feelings do not matter.

Yes there is experts sports psychologists selling you books from Jerry Lynch to Al Huang etc. It is completely fake. Sports and training are 100% physical. All of it. None of it is mental. Yoga Berra said that the game was 90% half mental and people went on to make a career off of selling books based on that quote when the quote actually meant nothing at all.

Do you realize how idiotic that statement is? All things are never equal in sport. It doesn't matter how you look. The only thing that matter is did you do what you were supposed to do. LOL

Maybe you can write a best selling book about how training is completely mental.

Maybe you tell me how much of training is mental? Can you put a percent on it for me?

There has never been a single time in a sport that a judge said in the middle of a fight "hey this guys looks great he looks like he's really wanting to be in there and this other guy looks like he is ready to go home so we will award the confident looking guy two points and deduct two point from the guy ready to go to sleep".

You dont have to feel good or be confident to deadlift your prescribed weights. You dont even have to want to be there training.

Most people that train are going to want to do it and are happy to be doing it. If that is the case that's great but the he could have just sat in the bed if he wanted. I dont even have to have a good attitude about it. The only thing that matters is if I did the session for the day. Who got a training benefit? The guy with a great attitude and decided to stay in bed and eat ice cream or the guy that is a pessimist and did the session anyways?

Actions are real while emotions are completely fake.

Did I put my head down and barrel through the defense to score a TD or Did I run the other way because I didnt feel like being tackled?

Maybe you can sell me on a best selling book and add your name to the sport psychology experts over the years. Either way I am right here.
 
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AnnMaria de Mars (Ronda Rousey's mother, Judo world champ 1984) wrote a story about mental training on her blog. She says she went to nationals and talked to one of her competitors there, who told her she had had less time to train for the event, so she had done more mental training. AnnMaria said "So let me get this straight: instead of training, you were thinking about training?" Her opponent answered "You know, it does sound kind of stupid if you put it that way..."
 
period said:
AnnMaria de Mars (Ronda Rousey's mother, Judo world champ 1984) wrote a story about mental training on her blog. She says she went to nationals and talked to one of her competitors there, who told her she had had less time to train for the event, so she had done more mental training. AnnMaria said "So let me get this straight: instead of training, you were thinking about training?" Her opponent answered "You know, it does sound kind of stupid if you put it that way..."
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Reminds of my old golf coach who said that visualizing a good round is better practice than actual practice at the range. He was completely full of crap.
 
It may come down to how cerebral you are in your discipline or sport. If you are having an off day mentally, it could absolutely carry over into your performance. But it's not simply that you're not primed, psyched, or even that you're not feeling good, the psychological aspects or how you 'feel' could be symptomatic of other broader issues like CNS fatigue as an example or perhaps lack of proper sleep hygiene(or even lack of discipline such as a night of binge drinking).

Some athletes are incredibly cerebral and they probably spend a lot of brain power observing and analyzing various variables mid game (football, basketball, soccer, golf etc). Dennis Rodman was incredibly cerebral thinking how the ball would bounce and where to go for the rebound. Draymond Green now is incredibly cerebral on defense and knowing where everyone needs to be positioned to react properly.

I had a friend who played at a semi pro level in golf. He shot a couple strokes under par at Harding (considered a tough course). For him the mental aspects were huge and usually made or broke his performance on any given day. I think ultimately he decided against pursuing a career in golf which I think was a mistake. He was fairly strong (455ish deadlift at 190lb) and could accurately drive the ball 300+ yards. I thought he was incredibly gifted for the sport and there were opportunities to play a long career(semi pro tours, masters, etc) but he could never get the mental aspects under control. I was always frustrated by people like this because I only dreamed of having that type of talent in any sport with a high earning potential.

I also think that mentally training or preparing in your mind (going over everything step by step) while it may seem amusing is actually incredibly beneficial. You may be going over all the cues for the lift, thinking about how you may feel as you do it, etc. The field of sport psychology has a lot of hacks and scammers in it but there's also a benefit to it if you find a competent person. It is no different than countless coaches and trainers who have no idea how to train athletes versus some amazing coaches who do and who produce champions.

I think you all made some excellent points throughout. Sometimes we tend to be overly critical or talk past each other.

To me diet and sleep are incredibly important long term. In a caloric deficit or lacking proper nutrients for an extended period absolutely affects my results in the gym. Likewise if I don't get proper sleep or I'm stressed out my motivation goes down as does my ability to recover. I suspect this is probably true for the vast majority of humans walking the earth(especially those who are natural). This is also part of the reason why I personally prefer to lift by feel rather than programs so I can adjust and go for PRs when I feel great and just try to get a workout in when I feel like crap. But this is not a slight against those that prefer programs.
 
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Nobody is doubling down on anything. Just as you believe it is skill that wins fights feel free to go on believing that. I dont care what you do in my log. Pop in and insult me if you'd like. Im going to train regardless of what you do.

AI is fully capable of taking into account poor food, sleep, wellness, heart rate etc. Has nothing to do with RPE. RPE is just a tool to assign load.

I am not sure what this olympic example has to do with anything? That in fact supports what I am telling you. It didnt matter how she felt during the race. Your feelings do not matter.

Yes there is experts sports psychologists selling you books from Jerry Lynch to Al Huang etc. It is completely fake. Sports and training are 100% physical. All of it. None of it is mental. Yoga Berra said that the game was 90% half mental and people went on to make a career off of selling books based on that quote when the quote actually meant nothing at all.

Do you realize how idiotic that statement is? All things are never equal in sport. It doesn't matter how you look. The only thing that matter is did you do what you were supposed to do. LOL

Maybe you can write a best selling book about how training is completely mental.

Maybe you tell me how much of training is mental? Can you put a percent on it for me?

There has never been a single time in a sport that a judge said in the middle of a fight "hey this guys looks great he looks like he's really wanting to be in there and this other guy looks like he is ready to go home so we will award the confident looking guy two points and deduct two point from the guy ready to go to sleep".

You dont have to feel good or be confident to deadlift your prescribed weights. You dont even have to want to be there training.

Most people that train are going to want to do it and are happy to be doing it. If that is the case that's great but the he could have just sat in the bed if he wanted. I dont even have to have a good attitude about it. The only thing that matters is if I did the session for the day. Who got a training benefit? The guy with a great attitude and decided to stay in bed and eat ice cream or the guy that is a pessimist and did the session anyways?

Actions are real while emotions are completely fake.

Did I put my head down and barrel through the defense to score a TD or Did I run the other way because I didnt feel like being tackled?

Maybe you can sell me on a best selling book and add your name to the sport psychology experts over the years. Either way I am right here.
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Your own log has you dropping exercises and doing shorter sessions due to poor eating, sleep and outside stressors.
You dropped exercises because you didn't feel up to it. Physiologically you may have been fine, but you made a choice based off outside factors to do less those days. I have the opposite issue. If it's written for me to do something that day, I will do it. That's sometimes not the right thing.

The Olympic example is an athlete who was a favourite to medal. She had her routine thrown off slightly and wasn't allowed to go through a gate. After she wasted time arguing, they made her walk about 1km to another gate. She still got the same warmup time as usual, but had been thrown off by some adversity. She ended up getting in her own head and pulled from the race after getting injured in the warm up. Her team mate went through the same thing and performed fine.

All fighting sports are scored based on who looks better out there. If you can't get a finish it's all about making your opponent look like they are reacting to you or fatigued more. Boxing, MMA, Muay thai (especially) or even grappling. Every scoring criteria is about you being the one dominating your opponent and making it look like you are in control.

Why are we talking about someone sitting on the couch vs someone training? That's not what anyone is saying.
Did you do the prescribed session, but skip a few exercises because you were a bit tired or did you just get the job done and hit everything you were meant to hit with the actual required effort for the day?
 
DEVILsSON said:
I had a friend who played at a semi pro level in golf. He shot a couple strokes under par at Harding (considered a tough course). For him the mental aspects were huge and usually made or broke his performance on any given day. I think ultimately he decided against pursuing a career in golf which I think was a mistake. He was fairly strong (455ish deadlift at 190lb) and could accurately drive the ball 300+ yards. I thought he was incredibly gifted for the sport and there were opportunities to play a long career(semi pro tours, masters, etc) but he could never get the mental aspects under control. I was always frustrated by people like this because I only dreamed of having that type of talent in any sport with a high earning potential.
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The star pupil of my Freestyle coach took bronze at the 2024 Paris Olympics. My coach and me were on the train to Paris when the news hit. My coach was outraged at first, because he felt the guy had cruised to that medal and could have done better. He left him an angry message on the voicebox saying "More work, then gold!" And to me, he was like "Talent always lazy!" :D
 
maximus__ said:
Your own log has you dropping exercises and doing shorter sessions due to poor eating, sleep and outside stressors.
You dropped exercises because you didn't feel up to it. Physiologically you may have been fine, but you made a choice based off outside factors to do less those days. I have the opposite issue. If it's written for me to do something that day, I will do it. That's sometimes not the right thing.

The Olympic example is an athlete who was a favourite to medal. She had her routine thrown off slightly and wasn't allowed to go through a gate. After she wasted time arguing, they made her walk about 1km to another gate. She still got the same warmup time as usual, but had been thrown off by some adversity. She ended up getting in her own head and pulled from the race after getting injured in the warm up. Her team mate went through the same thing and performed fine.

All fighting sports are scored based on who looks better out there. If you can't get a finish it's all about making your opponent look like they are reacting to you or fatigued more. Boxing, MMA, Muay thai (especially) or even grappling. Every scoring criteria is about you being the one dominating your opponent and making it look like you are in control.

Why are we talking about someone sitting on the couch vs someone training? That's not what anyone is saying.
Did you do the prescribed session, but skip a few exercises because you were a bit tired or did you just get the job done and hit everything you were meant to hit with the actual required effort for the day?
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LMAO? What in the world are you talking about? Fighting sports are not about looking like you are in control they are supposed to be scored on who is actually in control and dealing damage. Fighting is not a bodybuilding competition.

I dropped exercises because I was using a westside conjugate routine without using AI but rather my own mind in the middle of a baseball season and a full time job. Westside conjugate is suboptimal because it doesn't use any algorithms or calculations to apply load and exercise or even take into account anything else.

The olympic girl having to walk is physical. She physically had to walk 1k before her normal warm up and that is what threw her off. Routine isn't mental it is physically doing your routine once learned.
 
DEVILsSON said:
It may come down to how cerebral you are in your discipline or sport. If you are having an off day mentally, it could absolutely carry over into your performance. But it's not simply that you're not primed, psyched, or even that you're not feeling good, the psychological aspects or how you 'feel' could be symptomatic of other broader issues like CNS fatigue as an example or perhaps lack of proper sleep hygiene(or even lack of discipline such as a night of binge drinking).

Some athletes are incredibly cerebral and they probably spend a lot of brain power observing and analyzing various variables mid game (football, basketball, soccer, golf etc). Dennis Rodman was incredibly cerebral thinking how the ball would bounce and where to go for the rebound. Draymond Green now is incredibly cerebral on defense and knowing where everyone needs to be positioned to react properly.

I had a friend who played at a semi pro level in golf. He shot a couple strokes under par at Harding (considered a tough course). For him the mental aspects were huge and usually made or broke his performance on any given day. I think ultimately he decided against pursuing a career in golf which I think was a mistake. He was fairly strong (455ish deadlift at 190lb) and could accurately drive the ball 300+ yards. I thought he was incredibly gifted for the sport and there were opportunities to play a long career(semi pro tours, masters, etc) but he could never get the mental aspects under control. I was always frustrated by people like this because I only dreamed of having that type of talent in any sport with a high earning potential.

I also think that mentally training or preparing in your mind (going over everything step by step) while it may seem amusing is actually incredibly beneficial. You may be going over all the cues for the lift, thinking about how you may feel as you do it, etc. The field of sport psychology has a lot of hacks and scammers in it but there's also a benefit to it if you find a competent person. It is no different than countless coaches and trainers who have no idea how to train athletes versus some amazing coaches who do and who produce champions.

I think you all made some excellent points throughout. Sometimes we tend to be overly critical or talk past each other.

To me diet and sleep are incredibly important long term. In a caloric deficit or lacking proper nutrients for an extended period absolutely affects my results in the gym. Likewise if I don't get proper sleep or I'm stressed out my motivation goes down as does my ability to recover. I suspect this is probably true for the vast majority of humans walking the earth(especially those who are natural). This is also part of the reason why I personally prefer to lift by feel rather than programs so I can adjust and go for PRs when I feel great and just try to get a workout in when I feel like crap. But this is not a slight against those that prefer programs.
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CNS fatigue or binge drinking is a physical phenomena.
Being able to read the spin of the ball for a rebound is physical and being able to position your teammates on defense after playing against opponents or using videos is physical.
To the last part an AI can answer all of those questions and adjust programming accordingly.
What we have been doing for the last 500+ years on a whole is mostly guessing on what adjustments to make. It works it just doesn't work as well as an AI or somebody that created the AI and already knows the answers to the problems you present them on the fly.

Yea that is frustrating to know somebody that had the talent to make it but didnt care enough to do it. When I play golf it ends up turning into to speed golf real quick even if I am shooting well. Perhaps if I make it to 60 ill take it more seriously.

A guy that I know would have been likely a star in the MLB with his natural talent that played with me in high school. His excuse was it felt too much like a job. There was this minor league player I played a couple of games with when I was dabbling in independent league baseball that could have done the same thing but his excuse was he wanted to go be a farmer.
 
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period said:
The star pupil of my Freestyle coach took bronze at the 2024 Paris Olympics. My coach and me were on the train to Paris when the news hit. My coach was outraged at first, because he felt the guy had cruised to that medal and could have done better. He left him an angry message on the voicebox saying "More work, then gold!" And to me, he was like "Talent always lazy!" :D
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Winning and performing well are two different things.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
Winning and performing well are two different things.
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Well, Dauren did win that match only by one point... after having lost 4:9 against Yazdanicharati in the semis. I can't find direct match between him and Ramazanov, but he had definitely won tournaments where Ramazanov was competing. Still, Ramazanov was in the better shape at those games, outscoring Yazdani mercilessly; according to my coach, he's a conditioning animal and famous for always doing extra resistance band work after everyone else has left the gym ;)
However, my coach still seemed very happy in the end when he took a selfie with Dauren and the medal :D
 
ROcknrollracing said:
LMAO? What in the world are you talking about? Fighting sports are not about looking like you are in control they are supposed to be scored on who is actually in control and dealing damage. Fighting is not a bodybuilding competition.

I dropped exercises because I was using a westside conjugate routine without using AI but rather my own mind in the middle of a baseball season and a full time job. Westside conjugate is suboptimal because it doesn't use any algorithms or calculations to apply load and exercise or even take into account anything else.

The olympic girl having to walk is physical. She physically had to walk 1k before her normal warm up and that is what threw her off. Routine isn't mental it is physically doing your routine once learned.
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It's written into the scoring criteria. You can't always cause visible damage to the other fighter. Fighting sports do get scored on appearance and confidence if it's not ammy or point based. Muay thai for example I could land a 3 punch boxing combo to the head, but my opponent lands a body kick that makes me defend and step back, they have one that exchange even if I fully block it. I landed shots that were more likely to finish the fight, but the scoring rewards the fighter who makes me react to the other in a negative way by moving and defending.

Your AI is written to do the same thing if your input negative responses. It's not actual doing anything. It's just spitting out a formula that says drop if bad, maintain/progress if good. It's no different to the progression written into something like 5/3/1 allowing you to push the last set. It's just a computer program, not actual AI.

She had a mental routine she followed.She went down to the track early and separated from the rest of the team to start. That routine was thrown off. She is an Olympic Sprinter, a 1km walk physically is nothing to her. She will run more than that before even really getting warm. It was all of the arguing, not being allowed to enter like the day before and then subsequently having to try and get back into the right head space for her race. She physically had nothing to worry about. The 1km walk probably would have helped her warm up.
 
maximus__ said:
It's written into the scoring criteria. You can't always cause visible damage to the other fighter. Fighting sports do get scored on appearance and confidence if it's not ammy or point based. Muay thai for example I could land a 3 punch boxing combo to the head, but my opponent lands a body kick that makes me defend and step back, they have one that exchange even if I fully block it. I landed shots that were more likely to finish the fight, but the scoring rewards the fighter who makes me react to the other in a negative way by moving and defending.

Your AI is written to do the same thing if your input negative responses. It's not actual doing anything. It's just spitting out a formula that says drop if bad, maintain/progress if good. It's no different to the progression written into something like 5/3/1 allowing you to push the last set. It's just a computer program, not actual AI.

She had a mental routine she followed.She went down to the track early and separated from the rest of the team to start. That routine was thrown off. She is an Olympic Sprinter, a 1km walk physically is nothing to her. She will run more than that before even really getting warm. It was all of the arguing, not being allowed to enter like the day before and then subsequently having to try and get back into the right head space for her race. She physically had nothing to worry about. The 1km walk probably would have helped her warm up.
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You need to backtrack and read everything you just typed slowly. I’m not going to respond to drivel.
5/3/1 and Westside are basically ancient programs today.
 
This just in MMA fights are basically an acting lesson. The damage you deal doesn't actually matter it is to be scored by subjective criteria on whether or not there was actually damage dealt or the fighter just acting in a way that would deems damage was applied.

An olympic sprinter who by virtue of being in the olympics has a routine they follow but completely going off the routine she normally does had basically no effect on her performance. It was a completely mental handicap for the day since there was not actually anything out of the ordinary in her routine.

Keep reaching fellas.
 
And for everybody else there is no such thing as negative response in a robot. It is simply inputs you put into the machine to get the correct answer.

It is a bit like Bobby Fischer beating robot chess players in the 70s. The AI is so advanced today a human player would stand no chance.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
And for everybody else there is no such thing as negative response in a robot. It is simply inputs you put into the machine to get the correct answer.

It is a bit like Bobby Fischer beating robot chess players in the 70s. The AI is so advanced today a human player would stand no chance.
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AI does a lot better at chess than it does at sports performance. Chess is easy, you can access a whole lot of data no problem. However, unlike experienced coaches, AI has no access to much "best practice" data when it comes to training, especially in sports as obscure as wrestling. AI can't call five coaches who have all produced international competitors and on first-name basis with a number of national head coaches. Try asking it how the Russian national team trains and see what it tells you. I bet it gets half the things wrong (unless it picks up my forum posts somehow, read my book or learned how to watch video) and interpolates the rest - but of course, it's hard for most people to verify or falsify that because they lack inside sources.
 
period said:
AI does a lot better at chess than it does at sports performance. Chess is easy, you can access a whole lot of data no problem. However, unlike experienced coaches, AI has no access to much "best practice" data when it comes to training, especially in sports as obscure as wrestling. AI can't call five coaches who have all produced international competitors and on first-name basis with a number of national head coaches. Try asking it how the Russian national team trains and see what it tells you. I bet it gets half the things wrong (unless it picks up my forum posts somehow, read my book or learned how to watch video) and interpolates the rest - but of course, it's hard for most people to verify or falsify that because they lack inside sources.
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Once the coaches put their knowledge into a system it won’t even make a difference. That is all these systems are is an expert coaches knowledge implanted into a system. That’s why I said way earlier you won’t even need a coach at some point in the future because the coach will tell you exact same thing a robot can.

Check out Joel Jamison’s omegawave and programs like Sheiko gold or either of JTS programs. The technology is already there to make it happen.
 
ROcknrollracing said:
CNS fatigue or binge drinking is a physical phenomena.
Being able to read the spin of the ball for a rebound is physical and being able to position your teammates on defense after playing again opponents or using videos is physical.
To the last part an AI can answer all of those questions and adjust programming accordingly.
What we have been doing for the last 500+ years on a whole is mostly guessing on what adjustments to make. It works it just doesn't work as well as an AI or somebody that created the AI and already knows the answers to the problems you present them on the fly.

Yea that is frustrating to know somebody that had the talent to make it but didnt care enough to do it. When I play golf it ends up turning into to speed golf real quick even if I am shooting well. Perhaps if I make it to 60 ill take it more seriously.
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I think you make some good points but keep in mind that LLMs are not perfect and they often have preprogrammed biases(race, politics, etc). Grok was a good example of this.

Some of the programs can be easily manipulated as many AI LLMs have demonstrated. I have encountered this with ChatGPT before as well as DeepSeek. Sometimes it won't give you a certain answer initially but eventually it will if you prompt it.

I have also had it reverse its position as well. I've also seen experts demonstrate how LLMs/AI sometimes regurgitate wrong information/data . It becomes an issue of assuring everything the AI has access to is high quality data.

Such 'hallucinations' some significant amount of time is concerning. I have even been a victim of such hallucinations when I repeated some of that information. It helps to have subject matter experts with knowledge and feel for the information to quickly catch such mistakes.


My issue with what you're saying here and above is the seemingly absolute way in how you're framing it. I think there's also a fine line between physical and mental/psychological aspects and it's not always easy to know which is which.

I think AI will absolutely keep improving and can be a great tool but I don't think it will be end all be all as it seems like you're embracing it.

In any case I appreciate your perspective because most of us don't have access to some of the tech you do as part of your sport training.
 
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