Media Alex Pereira Fires At Islam/Grappling Critics: "Not My Fault Some Guys Take Longer" - "Gotta Accept I'm DIFFERENT"

[markg171]

You keep bringing up Jan, but I don't think you remember that fight very well if you're claiming lay n pray. Jan took almost 2 mins to get a TD cause Alex was defending well, and when he did, he actually had back control on Alex and was working for a choke in the entire grappling sequence. Alex was just defending the choke during the grappling, he wasn't lay n prayed. Alex showed good sub defense in the grappling and wasn't letting Jan advance.

To use this example isn't very good. There are many good grapplers that get caught in that position. I mean Edwards had Usman in a deeper position working for a choke, doesn't mean Usman is a shit grappler. While Alex is not close to Usman in grappling, the point stands that it's not really something that you should jump on a guy for.

Going back to LHW, guys like Davis and Bader are nightmares for Alex, even a Corey Anderson is a tough fight, they're heavy grappling focused fighters. Jones and DC would beat him if they decide to grapple. But guys like Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Hendo, Gus, all pretty even fight vs Alex.

That was also only in round 1. Pereira won because he (largely) forced a standup fight through rounds 2-3.

It was also only a 3 round fight where Jan completely gassed trying to do this to Pereira while Pereira wasn't even breathing hard. Had that been a championship fight, like Pereira gets these days, he'd have likely won by KO in round 4 or 5.

 

[JKS]

That was also only in round 1. Pereira won because he (largely) forced a standup fight through rounds 2-3.

It was also only a 3 round fight where Jan completely gassed trying to do this to Pereira while Pereira wasn't even breathing hard. Had that been a championship fight, like Pereira gets these days, he'd have likely won by KO in round 4 or 5.

I saw the fight a different way. I am rather indifferent to the decision is it was very close. But I think if the fight went beyond round 3, Jan would have won the fight. I think he would have got the TD and held Alex down and mixed it up with the boxing, the TD at the end of round 3 came very easy and Jan was landing some good shots in that round.

 

[Bradillac]

Sorry buddy but 41 year old journey man Jan isnt better than prime Machida, prime Shogun, prime Glover, prime Rumble, prime Rashad , prime Rampage, prime Wand, prime Randy , prime Hendo, prime LHW Anderson etc..

Id pick all of these guys to beat Poatan more times than not.

I'd also give a very good chance to guys like prime Bader, Phil Davis, Corey Anderson, Tito, Young Overeem, Lil Nog to give Poatan all he could handle.

Poatan fanboys are so out of control that they think he'd beat anyone ever besides Jones and DC even though he arguably lost to 41 year old journey man Jan and looked lost on the ground against purple belt Izzy. Insane.

Alex is following the trajectory of everyone else who gets a couple KOs against favorable match ups and suddenly "nobody but prime Jones and DC could ever beat him."

Classic, delusional fanboy cycle which will be corrected soon and a new cope cycle will begin.

Delusional hater. Also, Jan has to be one of the most underrated fighter on the roster. He'd likely beat most of the guys on your list, especially if he was roided up like them.

 

[ThePimblettEra]

Alex is one of the most compelling champions in recent memory.
He'll fight anyone (he actually will, not just saying it like 95% of these clowns).
He's active & he's always willing to please the just bleed gods in one way or another.

Given that, there's a certain irony that he's getting criticised by panic wrestlers, lol.

 

[Bradillac]

In your worldly fetish. Alex doesn’t have the mat time to stop him. The skill difference is that great. Islam is being humble here.

Talk about delusional fans lol.

 

[-Sideways-]

A humble and honest response from a true champion and a warrior.

 

[ChangeIsComing]

What you are is a noob and delusional fanboy.

Gus has no ground game? Gus took down both prime Jones and prime DC and would have been the best wrestler Poatan ever fought. Gus out classed Jan on the ground too who LnP Poatan with ease.

Rashad went 5 rounds with peak juiced up Jones and beat Rampage, Liddell, Forrest and Phil Davis. Prime Rashad was better than 41 year old Journey man Jan. Can't believe this has to be explained.

Machida too small? Lol Machida would ragdoll Alex to the ground with ease and run a train on Alex sorry ass ground game which was getting exposed by Izzy of all people.

Prime Glover would do the same. So would Randy. So would Hendo.

You're a noob and a delusional fanboy. Sit quietly while the adults talk.

You are 100% an idiot and I do not have time to argue with your uneducated opinion. Enjoy your imaginary high horse while you ride it through this post.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

I think he's been working on his ground game with Glover for some time, so it may be underrated.

But in his case, all he really needs is a decent sprawl and pop up game against the fence, and I don't think there's too many guys with the level of grappling like Islam or Khabib to keep him down.

He’s won the fights he’s been taken down in. As for being tested. I imagine he gets tested a lot in the gym. He has a really good coach/sensei, in Glover. Just because we haven’t seen much TDD, or ground game in his most recent fights. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a decent one. He did in fact just get his BB from Glover.

Time moves on, and people CAN actually get better without outsiders even knowing about it.

He supposedly sucks in that regard. But has never lost in the UFC because of it?

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

You are 100% an idiot and I do not have time to argue with your uneducated opinion. Enjoy your imaginary high horse while you ride it through this post.

 

[CobraCobretti]

Would Ankalaev save a card on short notice? Let alone outside of UAE?

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

You keep bringing up Jan, but I don't think you remember that fight very well if you're claiming lay n pray. Jan took almost 2 mins to get a TD cause Alex was defending well, and when he did, he actually had back control on Alex and was working for a choke in the entire grappling sequence. Alex was just defending the choke during the grappling, he wasn't lay n prayed. Alex showed good sub defense in the grappling and wasn't letting Jan advance.

To use this example isn't very good. There are many good grapplers that get caught in that position. I mean Edwards had Usman in a deeper position working for a choke, doesn't mean Usman is a shit grappler. While Alex is not close to Usman in grappling, the point stands that it's not really something that you should jump on a guy for.

Going back to LHW, guys like Davis and Bader are nightmares for Alex, even a Corey Anderson is a tough fight, they're heavy grappling focused fighters. Jones and DC would beat him if they decide to grapple. But guys like Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Hendo, Gus, all pretty even fight vs Alex.

tbh this isn't even about Jan.

The point is if you read this thread it's pretty much the Poatan fanboy general consensus that the only two guys who can beat Poatan were Jones and DC. Everyone else gets knocked out. It doesn't matter that 41 year old journey man Jan didn't get knocked out. Everyone else gets knocked out

Prime Gus, prime Machida, prime Shogun, prime Rashad, prime Rumble, prime Rampage, prime Wand, prime didn't.., prime Hendo, prime Anderson etc

All of them supposedly get knocked out by the great Poatan but somehow 41 year old Journey man Jan had something they didnt.

Shit is disgusting to read as a fan who has been watching mma for nearly 30 years. Can't wait to see these shameless fanboys to get brought back down to reality.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Delusional hater. Also, Jan has to be one of the most underrated fighter on the roster. He'd likely beat most of the guys on your list, especially if he was roided up like them.

Lol Jan was on the prelims back in the Jones, DC, Gus era.

He got smoked by Gus 2x. Got smashed by 43 year old Glover. Got smashed by Davis and Anderson too but, but "41 year old Jan is underrated and would "likely" beat all the all time greats I listed in their primes"

Nah son nobody is buying that.

Jan is a journey man who coincidentally became champion when Jones, DC, Gus, Rumble, Davis and Anderson disappeared from the division and never defended his belt once.

But yea somehow he's "better" than prime Gus, Machida, Shogun, Rashad, Rampage, Hendo, Randy, Wand and Anderson..


Crazy talk

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

He’s won the fights he’s been taken down in. As for being tested. I imagine he gets tested a lot in the gym. He has a really good coach/sensei, in Glover. Just because we haven’t seen much TDD, or ground game in his most recent fights. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a decent one. He did in fact just get his BB from Glover.

Time moves on, and people CAN actually get better without outsiders even knowing about it.

He supposedly sucks in that regard. But has never lost in the UFC because of it?

Poatan has been fighting nothing but strikers. The guys he fought who had some kind of ground skills all made him look vulnerable. Luckily for Poatan these guys were Jan and Izzy.

If this was an elite LHW from 10-15 years ago Poatan would be in trouble because in that era all the elite LHWs could wrestle and had crushing top games. What's worse for Alex is that all these guys could knock ninjas out too.

Alex hasnt fought anyone like this yet. Guys who can hurt you everywhere and are good at keeping you guessing by mixing up takedowns with striking.

And yet the Poatan fanboys are saying he can solve such problems even though we haven't seen such a thing yet. Hype and recency bias fanboy euphoria.

 

[JKS]

tbh this isn't even about Jan.

The point is if you read this thread it's pretty much the Poatan fanboy general consensus that the only two guys who can beat Poatan were Jones and DC. Everyone else gets knocked out. It doesn't matter that 41 year old journey man Jan didn't get knocked out. Everyone else gets knocked out

Prime Gus, prime Machida, prime Shogun, prime Rashad, prime Rumble, prime Rampage, prime Wand, prime didn't.., prime Hendo, prime Anderson etc

All of them supposedly get knocked out by the great Poatan but somehow 41 year old Journey man Jan had something they didnt.

Shit is disgusting to read as a fan who has been watching mma for nearly 30 years. Can't wait to see these shameless fanboys to get brought back down to reality.

Well, first thing first. You gotta stop calling Jan a journeyman. Jan is a former LHW champ and a top level fighter. Not elite, but still a top guy.

With that said, yes, Alex is a bit overated on this forum. I think he would certainly get beat by DC and Jones, as well as Davis and Bader.

But vs the rest of the opponents there?? Lot of those are toss up fights. The only ones I say Alex beats with confidence are Hendo, Wand, and Machida.

 

[fighters_respect]

Unfortunately for Poatan. Unlike Jon Jones who had Gustaffson and Cormier to prove himself. Poatan has Pizza Roll Hill and Crazy Brawler Jiri plus Possum Pillowfist Adebumya
Keep your mouth quiet and never speak about Dagestan wrestling.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Well, first thing first. You gotta stop calling Jan a journeyman. Jan is a former LHW champ and a top level fighter. Not elite, but still a top guy.

With that said, yes, Alex is a bit overated on this forum. I think he would certainly get beat by DC and Jones, as well as Davis and Bader.

But vs the rest of the opponents there?? Lot of those are toss up fights. The only ones I say Alex beats with confidence are Hendo, Wand, and Machida.

I think Hendo who had no problem brawling with peak Rampage and took down Rampage multiple times could do the same to Poatan + Hendo could sneak in a KO against him too.

Wand was an absolute animal when he was at his peak. He went toe to toe with Mark Hunt and survived so to think he couldn't survive against Poatan is crazy talk esp when 41 year old Jan survived. Prime Wand was worlds better than Jan of today.

You can say Jan isnt a journey man but there's a reason for why he became champion once Jones, DC,Gus, Glover, Rumble, Machida, Rashad and Shogun disappeared. Back in those days Jan was on the prelims for a reason and losing to Gus multiple times for a reason. If the talent level at LHW remained as high as it was in those days Jan would still be seen as journey man.

Jan became a champion once these guys disappeared and didn't defend the belt once and lost it to 43 year old Glover who also failed to defend the belt. I don't think Jan improved so much, I think the division declined so much.

I'd pick prime Machida to beat Poatan more times than not. Prime Machida was way better than 41 year old Jan. He had some of the slickest takedowns in the division and ragdolled Tito like a sack of potatoes. He'd sling Poatan to the mat and TKO him on the ground pretty easily IMO.




This isn't even a knock on Poatan. I like the guy but the fanboyism is out of control. Not from you but from others in this thread.

 

[Dobymick]

I mean the translation kinda works but that was not exactly what he said. His coach/translator put a lot of words into his mouth

 

[markg171]

Yes.

And Alex would mop the floor at a Thiago Santos and Dominic Reyes too, the guys who almost beat Jones.

Alex would knock all three of them out.

Absolutely PRIME Jones would beat Alex, but not the man who faced Santos and Reyes.

Alex would fuck that Jon Jones up, and fuck him up badly.

People have a very hard time understanding that just because somebody theoretically could do something doesn't mean they will.

Jones was a kickboxer for years until his recent return to grappling against Gane. You need to factor in that he'd be kickboxing, not grappling, during this period.

In which case, yeah Pereira wins THAT fight. A grappling Jones no, but the kickboxing lazy one? Yes.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

his weakness is grappling, but i don't think grappling is the end all vs Pereira. like any other striker with his strategy, his weakness is in the mixing up of the grappling and striking. that's what nobody has been able to employ because he's never faced a real grappler before or any fighter who has a good mixture of striking/grappling. he's mostly faced other specialists who are strikers. Ankalaev is the only one theoretically who could do this because he's the only one who can threaten with grappling and striking equally. the problem? he's a dumbfuck.

 

[markg171]

I think Hendo who had no problem brawling with peak Rampage and took down Rampage multiple times could do the same to Poatan + Hendo could sneak in a KO against him too.

Wand was an absolute animal when he was at his peak. He went toe to toe with Mark Hunt and survived so to think he couldn't survive against Poatan is crazy talk esp when 41 year old Jan survived. Prime Wand was worlds better than Jan of today.

You can say Jan isnt a journey man but there's a reason for why he became champion once Jones, DC,Gus, Glover, Rumble, Machida, Rashad and Shogun disappeared. Back in those days Jan was on the prelims for a reason and losing to Gus multiple times for a reason. If the talent level at LHW remained as high as it was in those days Jan would still be seen as journey man.

Jan became a champion once these guys disappeared and didn't defend the belt once and lost it to 43 year old Glover who also failed to defend the belt. I don't think Jan improved so much, I think the division declined so much.

I'd pick prime Machida to beat Poatan more times than not. Prime Machida was way better than 41 year old Jan. He had some of the slickest takedowns in the division and ragdolled Tito like a sack of potatoes. He'd sling Poatan to the mat and TKO him on the ground pretty easily IMO.




This isn't even a knock on Poatan. I like the guy but the fanboyism is out of control. Not from you but from others in this thread.

Still think Machida beats Pereira?