Aldo vs Holloway better striker

[Cpt Migraine]

yeah you are right he was huge for 145, that's why he is able to make 135 with no problem.

Times change.. consensus was aldo was a huge fw and repeatedly had problems cutting.. the frame and cutting methods changed over time and suddenly he wasn't that big..

Both him and barao had notoriously hard cuts.. also please post a pic of that "chubby" aldo..
This is him vs the 155 champ.. not that strange he was considered a big fw..

 

[Local Plata]

The world has fallen back in love with Jose Aldo and now we're doing a bit of revisionism about where he's at in his career because he beat Pedro Munhoz and Rob Font.

Prior to those wins, Aldo hadn't been a decent favourite for a fight since he beat Chad Mendes in 2014.

I'm enjoying the love-in, but it's bogus.

Jose Aldo is a very technical striker and a world class MMA fighter, but he's not suddenly back in the same league as Holloway, Yan, or Volkanovski.

At THIS point, questions about Aldo vs Holloway are pretty ridiculous. Holloway is a better striker, more durable fighter, and better athlete.

It's not his fault he had to destroy a whose who list of incredible strong grapplers in his career at the top. It's actually more impressive that he fought every contender in his division regardless of the 'bad matchup' or what have you and was dominant for so long. It's not like cub, faber, hominick, florian, frankie, korean zombie, etc etc were all slouches in the striking department either. I don't think Holloway is anywhere near the level of Yan or Volk, either...not sure why you are throwing those two in there, nobody said aldo is a better technical striker than them lol. Max is tall as fuck and more durable than Aldo, but I wouldnt say hes in a completely different league in the striking department than him lmao.

 

[Local Plata]

Times change.. consensus was aldo was a huge fw and repeatedly had problems cutting.. the frame and cutting methods changed over time and suddenly he wasn't that big..

Both him and barao had notoriously hard cuts.. also please post a pic of that "chubby" aldo.. View attachment 895813
This is him vs the 155 champ.. not that strange he was considered a big fw..

Lmao, Frankie is a small FW. I hope you're trolling.

 

[MCS]

Aldo at his best was better technically, more complete, better defense, more power. But Max at 145 is very effective, so this is comparing two elites. He lost to Volk in a mostly stand-up fight the first time, while Aldo's prime ended with the Conor KO. A younger version of Max also lost to Conor, but that wasn't peak Max. But Conor at his best was better standing than Volk. Aldo had a 10-year run, way longer than Max had, and he did it almost solely standing. So I'd go with him.

 

[pankrat]

People pretend to ignore that Max stepped in the cage at 176lbs for that fight. That's heavier than many LWs.

Now that Aldo has shedded muscle and hired a nutritionist to afford the same caliber of weightcuts Max does, Aldo and Max step into the cage 15+lbs apart.

Max is clearly the larger man. And that makes a difference. Ask Max himself when he fought Poirier, who didnt outweighted him as much as Max outweighted Aldo.

 

[pankrat]

Times change.. consensus was aldo was a huge fw and repeatedly had problems cutting.. the frame and cutting methods changed over time and suddenly he wasn't that big..

Both him and barao had notoriously hard cuts.. also please post a pic of that "chubby" aldo.. View attachment 895813
This is him vs the 155 champ.. not that strange he was considered a big fw..

Dude, Max is clearly the larger man than Aldo. Period.

Bringing Frankie, probably the most notiorious case in modern MMA for not cutting weight, doesnt change these facts:

People pretend to ignore that Max stepped in the cage at 176lbs for that fight. That's heavier than many LWs.

Now that Aldo has shedded muscle and hired a nutritionist to afford the same caliber of weightcuts Max does, Aldo and Max step into the cage 15+lbs apart.

Max is clearly the larger man. And that makes a difference. Ask Max himself when he fought Poirier, who didnt outweighted him as much as Max outweighted Aldo.

 

[ralek4grammy]

Aldo with today's boxing and yesterday's vicious kicks would be the best, methinks .

 

[pankrat]

This is probably the best post.

They are different type of strikers with different strengths. But Max has beaten and finished Aldo twice, and he did better against common opponents.

Now Aldo may be the more versatile striker, but that doesn't make him the better striker.

You are comparing H2H two guys who are about 10-15lbs apart.

Size/weight makes a difference. Just because Aldo started later to take care of his nutrition as Max does doesnt change the fact that he is naturally a clearly smaller man.

Max was less outweighted by Poirier than Aldo was by Max and you could clearly see the difference that Max's striking wasnt so effective when fighting a bigger/heavier man.

 

[JonJonesNeedle]

You are comparing H2H two guys who are about 10-15lbs apart.

Size/weight makes a difference. Just because Aldo started later to take care of his nutrition as Max does doesnt change the fact that he is naturally a clearly smaller man.

Max was less outweighted by Poirier than Aldo was by Max and you could clearly see the difference that Max's striking wasnt so effective when fighting a bigger/heavier man.

Max may be heavier, but I guarantee you that Aldo is more athletic in more physical abilities. Weight isn't everything. Aldo is much faster than Max, and speed kills.
I guarantee that if you tested their physical abilities (strength, speed, agility, power, reflexes, cardio etc) that Aldo would win in more categories.

Max weighing more makes sense since he's like 3 inches taller than Aldo. But in regards to height/weight ratio I bet they are about the same. I hear that every extra inch of height is like an extra ~5 pounds.

 

[linvillegorge]

Technically speaking? Aldo.
Realistically speaking. Holloway since he beat him down twice on the feet with zero threat of takedown.

 

[pankrat]

Max may be heavier, but I guarantee you that Aldo is more athletic in more physical abilities. Weight isn't everything. Aldo is much faster than Max, and speed kills.
I guarantee that if you tested their physical abilities (strength, speed, agility, power, reflexes, cardio etc) that Aldo would win in more categories.

Max weighing more makes sense since he's like 3 inches taller than Aldo. But in regards to height/weight ratio I bet they are about the same. I hear that every extra inch of height is like an extra ~5 pounds.

Hey dude, divisions in combat sports are based on weight, not in estimated speed or strenght or overall athleticism, so please, stop with that BS argument.

Aldo is a smaller man than Max. Period. In boxing, these two would easily be competing two weight classses apart.

If you dont want to acknowledge this factor, not even with the example of Max vs Poirier, I can't help you, but I think is clear enough that you dont want to look at it objectively.

 

[pankrat]

Technically speaking? Aldo.
Realistically speaking. Holloway since he beat him down twice on the feet with zero threat of takedown.

Realistically speaking, Max weights 10-15lbs heavier than Aldo and weightclasses exist in combat sports for a reason. In boxing, these two would very easily be competing two weightclasses apart.

 

[JonJonesNeedle]

Hey dude, divisions in combat sports are based on weight, not in estimated speed or strenght or overall athleticism, so please, stop with that BS argument.

Aldo is a smaller man than Max. Period. In boxing, these two would easily be competing two weight classses apart.

If you dont want to acknowledge this factor, not even with the example of Max vs Poirier, I can't help you, but I think is clear enough that you dont want to look at it objectively.

Dude, they both made FW for both fights. You're acting like Max came in at LW weight....Both were FW's when they fought each other. Maybe Max did weigh more on FN, but that also means he had a bigger and probably harder weight cut.

 

[pankrat]

Dude, they both made FW for both fights. You're acting like Max came in at LW weight....Both were FW's when they fought each other. Maybe Max did weigh more on FN, but that also means he had a bigger and probably harder weight cut.

Hey mate, you either get it or not.

Demitrious Johnson can also eat ice creams as Aldo used to do - as reported by his camp, he didnt care about nutrition at all - and bulk up and compete at FW.

You also judge Mighy Mouse based on him being dominated by the way bigger man in Cruz? "They fough each other at BW sooooo", which is exactly the simpleton argument you are using here.

And yes, Max DID came in at LW weigth, 10lbs over Aldo. 10lbs is exactly the diffence between wieghtclasses in MMA.

So yeah, let's judge Max based upon his performances facing guys 10lbs heavier than him, which is the unfair approach you are having with Aldo.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

There's a simple way to answer this question: when both fighters were fresh who was winning? Which fighter needed his opponent to gas out before he started having success?

 

[pankrat]

There's a simple way to answer this question: when both fighters were fresh who was winning? Which fighter needed his clearly undersized opponent to gas out before he started having success?

Fixed

 

[Cpt Migraine]

Lmao, Frankie is a small FW. I hope you're trolling.

Dude, Max is clearly the larger man than Aldo. Period.

Bringing Frankie, probably the most notiorious case in modern MMA for not cutting weight, doesnt change these facts:

God damn it.. i'm not saying aldo is a big fw by todays standards and where did i say he isn't smaller than max?

I'm saying consensus WAS aldo was a big fw with notoriusly hard cuts, something that gets mentioned a lot in his earlier fights.. also the swole aldo was probably as heavy as most modern fws.. he wasn't the smaller man until he met conor..

I used frankie as an example of why people AT THE TIME would think aldo was a big fw..

 

[Morning Star]

Aldo was getting the better of Max in both fights IIRC correctly. It wasn't until he started to slow down that Max took over. Max being bigger and more durable doesn't mean he's the better striker.

 

[Wonderfight]

Aldo for sure. If MMA fights were solely decided on skills, some other people would be champions. Max is just a guy that can take huge punishment and still come back strong as when the first bell rang. He is absolutely horrid matchup for Aldo. Only way Aldo wins that is if fight lasts 2 rounds.

 

[mikesparrow]

Aldo has broken his foot twice and had an injury to his foot or leg going into the first fight between them.

I was thinking something must have happened to him..