Aldo vs Holloway better striker

[legcramp]

Aldo looks more technical and more athletic. Max is just the better fighter.

 

[GoodBadHBK]

There are always people who say any dominant champion is only good because they are too big.

 

[Chael_Sonnen]

Let us not forget that Aldo rocked Max twice in the first round of their first fight and had him hurt. Max drowned him with pressure, pace and cardio. He basically did the same thing in the second fight.

Aldo at his peak is a better striker, thing is, there's a lot more to fighting than that and you can't teach Max's chin. That guy let Aldo punch himself out in striking exchanges. Having that level of belief in your ability to absorb punishment is otherworldly I'm going to assume. Aldo went out on his shield throwing both times though, especially in the second fight.

Yeah, I think the test of the better striker is who would do better given equal attributes. If you gave them both a decent chin and decent cardio, I think Aldo wins. But as it currently is, Max has godlike cardio and probably the best chin I have ever seen.

 

[StonedLemur]

Well it was a stand up battle. One guy lost. Twice.

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[StonedLemur]

Aldo is the better striker but Aldo has trouble with long rangy strikers so it's a bad match for him. Same reason he lost to Conor.

He lost to Conor because he came out ultra aggressive, and overextended.

 

[DudeBroMMA]

Technique and ability = Aldo
Speed = Aldo
Power = Not sure.... want to say Aldo
Chin = Max
Conditioning = Max
Reach = Max

Max has one of the best chins and the best conditioning in MMA. He is also very very skilled but having that cardio and conditioning to go with his technique is why Max is one of the best in the world.

 

[TheSwedishGOAT]

Max easily. Aldo is good but he's too short and his kicking game is not what it once was.

 

[Cat Biscuits]

Max being the taller fighter was a huge advantage.

Max having better cardio allowed him to land more volume strikes, despite him not being able to hit as hard.

 

[LincolnHawk1]

Max being the taller fighter was a huge advantage.

Max having better cardio allowed him to land more volume strikes, despite him not being able to hit as hard.

I’m not sure why people always talk about max power, but Luke Thomas as well as some mma coaches I have heard interviewed who talk about max say he isn’t throwing punches at full power and rarely ever does. He throws punches to land and sets up his punches by throwing punches if that makes sense. He boxes. Which is the way most lighter boxers box. His strategy isn’t to bomb guys it’s to hit them as many times as he can and literally beat them up. Look at all his opponents when their done fighting. They look like they got the shit beat out of them and that’s exactly what happens.

 

[campbecc]

Max easily. Aldo is good but he's too short and his kicking game is not what it once was.

If the question is now then obviously Holloway would win, but since the thread starter mentioned if it was age not skill that caused the losses for Aldo. I think he meant in Aldo's prime vs Holloways prime. Thus when Aldo still had great kicks.

 

[Fioretti]

Let us not forget that Aldo rocked Max twice in the first round of their first fight and had him hurt. Max drowned him with pressure, pace and cardio. He basically did the same thing in the second fight.

Aldo at his peak is a better striker, thing is, there's a lot more to fighting than that and you can't teach Max's chin. That guy let Aldo punch himself out in striking exchanges. Having that level of belief in your ability to absorb punishment is otherworldly I'm going to assume. Aldo went out on his shield throwing both times though, especially in the second fight.

Agreed almost 100%

 

[Deleted member 504083]

Max finished him twice in a stand up battle.

Weidman finished Anderson Silva twice in a stand up battle as well

 

[BlessYourHeart]

Try looking at like this, Aldo was Champ ar 23 yrs old and fought every top FW till the age of 29 when he lost the belly. Holloway didn't win belt till 26 and only held it for 3 yrs. So they've basically lost belt at the same age. Aldo is 35 now, Max 30. I guess it's gonna come down to how Max finishes is career from this point.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

Yeah, I think the test of the better striker is who would do better given equal attributes. If you gave them both a decent chin and decent cardio, I think Aldo wins

Yeah, but that doesn't make too much sense, because striking styles are built around having different attributes and weaknesses.

If you gave Aldo and Max equal bodies with all of each other's strengths and none of the weaknesses, neither of them would fight the same anymore.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

He did move down to 135 with no problem, so obviously anyone who said he was big for 145 was wrong.

That's true, but he did that by shedding a not insignificant amount of muscle and fat.

As his body was at the time, he was big-ish for the division in terms of mass, not frame (he was cutting 20 - 25 pounds, according to interviews). Once the average frame sizes of all divisions started increasing, he decided to trade off more mass.

 

[campbecc]

That's true, but he did that by shedding a not insignificant amount of muscle and fat.

As his body was at the time, he was big-ish for the division in terms of mass, not frame (he was cutting 20 - 25 pounds, according to interviews). Once the average frame sizes of all divisions started increasing, he decided to trade off more mass.

When he didn't cut weight properly he had trouble making weight; but that was because he had too high body fat for a fighter.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

When he didn't cut weight properly he had trouble making weight; but that was because he had too high body fat for a fighter.

That's part of it, but he shed muscle, too. He's not just cutting water weight better--his walk around and cage weights were significantly reduced.

 

[LincolnHawk1]

Try looking at like this, Aldo was Champ ar 23 yrs old and fought every top FW till the age of 29 when he lost the belly. Holloway didn't win belt till 26 and only held it for 3 yrs. So they've basically lost belt at the same age. Aldo is 35 now, Max 30. I guess it's gonna come down to how Max finishes is career from this point.

terrible take. The talent at FW has never been as deep as it is now. When Aldo was holding the belt the majority of his career, a majority of the guys he fought in championship fights would barely make the top 10 now. And I am both an Aldo and Max fan. It’s just the truth.

 

[campbecc]

That's part of it, but he shed muscle, too. He's not just cutting water weight better--his walk around and cage weights were significantly reduced.

Obviously he had to shed muscle to make 135 but that doesn't mean he was big for 145 before, he only had a bad cut when he wasn't disciplined.

 

[pick999]

Conor