Aldo vs Holloway better striker

Max has that Polynesian chin. I’m from Hawaii and seen Samoans and Hawaiians eat punches like Doritos. When all is even, that chin is the tie breaker
 
The thing is max attacks you everywhere. He doesn’t just head hunt he doesn’t just target the body or the legs. He goes for it all. And he does it with combos. So if you ar egos opponent he attacks all areas in bunches and it doesn’t stop because of his elite cardio. On top of it his fight iq is easily top 5 in mma and understands how to read the opponents, adjust and then adjust again if the opponent adjusts. He has done this to everyone outside of volk who has just as well for a fight iq. Jose from a technical kickboxing standpoint is probably prettier as far as striking goes and a little more technical, but when you start throwing in the combos, cardio, and fight iq it makes max striking a mother fucker to defend against. So I would say max overall.
 
YungSithLxrd said:
I feel they are very close in ability but the difference makers in their fights IMO weren't their skills, but their physical attributes.
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This. The fight is competitive and very close in the early rounds. Max has better conditioning/cardio and he turns it up once Aldo starts slowing down.
 
PunchyMcSplodo said:
Hahahaha, I said especially, not exclusively. That's the Volk part--Aldo looked really lost against him.
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He did indeed. It was a weird fight. I think that was really the start of the "new" Aldo, but it just didn't work out right in that fight, not to say Aldo wins if they rematched or something. But it was a strange bout.
 
Aldo was already on the downside when he fought Holloway, if Aldo was in his prime before he had foot and leg injuries, when he was mixing in leg kicks with his combos, I think he would have likely won. I'm not saying he would definitely win and definitely not saying it would have been an easy fight for either guy but I would bet on Prime Aldo against Prime Holloway at even money. I think prime Aldo would most likely win a competitive fight probably with Holloway coming on strong at the end but Aldo winning the decision.
 
Substance Abuse said:
Let us not forget that Aldo rocked Max twice in the first round of their first fight and had him hurt. Max drowned him with pressure, pace and cardio. He basically did the same thing in the second fight.

Aldo at his peak is a better striker, thing is, there's a lot more to fighting than that and you can't teach Max's chin. That guy let Aldo punch himself out in striking exchanges. Having that level of belief in your ability to absorb punishment is otherworldly I'm going to assume. Aldo went out on his shield throwing both times though, especially in the second fight.
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I like Aldo too man, but I think you're underselling our boy here as a tough guy. His footwork is better than Aldo's, and Aldo punching himself tired is part of striking. Having the cardio to fight your fight is part of the equation. Aldo doesn't need to throw bombs all the time, part of the fundamentals of boxing, Aldo is making a conscious decision to do that. If his decision making isn't up to par, he isn't the superior striker.
 
PunchyMcSplodo said:
This is hard to say, because they have very different styles, and styles are partly dictated by a fighter's physical attributes (power, durability, speed, cardio, reach, etc.). A long and lanky person with no power and high cardio shouldn't strike the same as a short and stocky tank with a lot of power but a small gas tank, for example.

They each have their pros and cons (Aldo is definitely better defensively, has better leg kicks, and is more powerful; while Max is superior at fighting from any stance, volume, feinting, and combinations).

Even then, some of those "cons" are conscious decisions. Max, for example, is making a decision to rely on his iron chin so he can throw more shots instead of being more evasive, since his entire game is attrition based.

Ultimately, I'll say this:

1. Head to head, Max's style of striking beat Aldo's--twice

2. Against other elite FWs, especially the best of the new school, Max's striking was more effective (Volk, Frankie Edgar).
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This is probably the best post.

They are different type of strikers with different strengths. But Max has beaten and finished Aldo twice, and he did better against common opponents.

Now Aldo may be the more versatile striker, but that doesn't make him the better striker.
 
If both were in their prime and in boxing, Aldo would probably make it further. Prime Aldo was was so far ahead of the competition it allowed him to stay on top for almost 10 years. Aldo was also a small FW.
 
Well he beat the dog shit out of Aldo twice. So I'm gonna say Max.
 
Hart Break Kick 97 said:
People said the opposite his entire FW career up until the Conor KO loss ect

All I heard on these forums was how big Aldo is at FW and how he should move up to LW ect

Now everyone is doing the opposite
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He did move down to 135 with no problem, so obviously anyone who said he was big for 145 was wrong.

People mostly wanted him to move up to 155 because he had cleared out 145 not because he was too big for 145.
 
podsox said:
Max’s chin is unreal
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Lol that’s not why he finished aldo twice. Styles make fights, max strengths were superior to aldo’s weaknesses. Max boxing, cardio, combos and fight iq won him the fight both times. Luke Thomas had a great review of both fights and basically said what I just did.
 
Max beat Aldo twice in a fight mostly on the feet. You can do all the mental gymnastics around that fact all you want, but Max proved he's the better striker.
 
campbecc said:
He did move down to 135 with no problem, so obviously anyone who said he was big for 145 was wrong.

People mostly wanted him to move up to 155 because he had cleared out 145 not because he was too big for 145.
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That's mostly true. Point is ppl wanted him at 155 and posters were saying hes a big FW during his reign.

Either way I'm stuff russled Dana wouldn't let him move up to fight Edgar/Benson/Pettis and the fact the Pettis fight didn't happen again due to Pettis getting injured.

I'm thrilled Aldo is thriving at 135 though. Still would love to see him fight Cruz next if Cruz wins on Saturday. That or another title fight with Yan once Sterling pulls out again
 
Hart Break Kick 97 said:
People said the opposite his entire FW career up until the Conor KO loss ect

All I heard on these forums was how big Aldo is at FW and how he should move up to LW ect

Now everyone is doing the opposite
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They wanted him to move up to have more competition. All the massive weight cutting is ridiculous. I dont understand why everyone wants to cut down as far as possible. As you get older it would make more sense to fill out your frame and not have to kill yourself cutting weight. Boxers almost always go up weight classes as they get older. MMA guys do the opposite and it makes no sense.
 
Hart Break Kick 97 said:
That's mostly true. Point is ppl wanted him at 155 and posters were saying hes a big FW during his reign.

Either way I'm stuff russled Dana wouldn't let him move up to fight Edgar/Benson/Pettis and the fact the Pettis fight didn't happen again due to Pettis getting injured.

I'm thrilled Aldo is thriving at 135 though. Still would love to see him fight Cruz next if Cruz wins on Saturday. That or another title fight with Yan once Sterling pulls out again
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There are always people who say any dominant champion is only good because they are too big.
 
one guy was born a Polynesian, the other guy was not.

as politically incorrect as it sounds that's what it is. Max won because he's tough. i'm sure Max will even attribute some of that to his heritage. obviously not all Polynesian fighters are great but nearly all of them are known for their insane resiliency and chins.
 
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