International Active US Air Force member self-immolates outside Israel Embassy in Washington

[nostradumbass]

If what you posted is true, then it still wouldn't mean he had mental problems. He had taken a stand and a viewpoint which he is entitled to. So no, he did not die because he had mental problems.

The fact that he died for this principle of taking a public stand against widespread illegal killing of civilians, which he stated before he did this, remains entirely valid regardless of how his other political views were on the broader conflict.

How many young people who commit suicide would you say don't have mental problems? You can just give a ballpark percentage.

This kid was radicalized by far left internet groups and lit himself on fire to support the Hamastinians. That's what we call mental problems.

 

[Blayt7hh]

There is not a single logical fallacy in any of those and the truth is you never thought of any of this because you hadn't thought past your position after looking up what logical fallacy meant.

I’ve explained how changing your mind based on his action is an appeal to emotion. You posted stories about people reconsidering their position because they were moved by him burning himself. It’s really not difficult to understand how that fits the fallacy. I don’t think there is anything else I can do for you. You’re clearly not interested in growing intellectually here despite your pretentious attitude to the contrary.

That doesn’t even address the many examples you listed that were of what I said is the only reasonable thing it should be expected to do. So how you saw fit to type up some fit to type up some examples of that is beyond me. I guess you weren’t reading my posts and were posting in bad faith, eh?

You can go on pretending I just looked it up and somehow knew which one to go for if that assuages your bruised ego. It really doesn’t matter. Even if I did (I didn’t) just learn about it that doesn’t change the fact that you still fell for it and are still apparently too stupid to see that.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

oddly enough, that white suicide guy also really hated whitey, so he'd agree with the karen on this one.

When Trump dies I'm writing Rest in Power all over Twitter.

 

[PhitePhan]

and? two things can be true at once. You're cheering on a crazed terrorist simp fuckwit and also bombing little kids is bad.

Cheering on?

You might want to inform the Sherdog Israeli delegate that “two things can be true at once” because they are using convenient truths and avoiding inconvenient truths in order to justify the ONGOING killing of civilians in massive numbers and taking more and more land.

 

[PhitePhan]

When Trump dies I'm writing Rest in Power all over Twitter.

These folks are so divided they will never amass any sort of organic political power. What’s worse, is they diminish underlying truths and are almost the last people you want championing your cause (I feel the same about Trump and traditional conservativism). People point and laugh, and you can’t really blame them…

 

[terrapin]

I’ve explained how changing your mind based on his action is an appeal to emotion. You posted stories about people reconsidering their position because they were moved by him burning himself. It’s really not difficult to understand how that fits the fallacy. I don’t think there is anything else I can do for you. You’re clearly not interested in growing intellectually here despite your pretentious attitude to the contrary.

That doesn’t even address the many examples you listed that were of what I said is the only reasonable thing it should be expected to do. So how you saw fit to type up some fit to type up some examples of that is beyond me. I guess you weren’t reading my posts and were posting in bad faith, eh?

You can go on pretending I just looked it up and somehow knew which one to go for if that assuages your bruised ego. It really doesn’t matter. Even if I did (I didn’t) just learn about it that doesn’t change the fact that you still fell for it and are still apparently too stupid to see that.

You had just looked it up. The reason I know that is because you keep using it spuriously and you don't even know what it actually means and there hasn't been a logical fallacy.

Your Just one of these low education guys who thinks he comes in the name of reason leads with his chin and gets put in his place consistently.

You keep shifting the goal posts because your first statement was foolish and stupid. You doubled down and stuck with it and now you're stuck with your idiotic position. You don't even know what an appeal to emotion is because that's not what I'm doing either. An appeal to emotions is when you try to convince someone else of something because of emotion, that's not what I've done at all.

You are basically just desperately hoping that you're right and throwing out whatever low IQ things you can think of to prove it. But you're caught and anybody who's reading our exchanges will know that because it's about as clear as day.

You made an unbelievably impossible claim and then tried to shift the burden of proof to me with it!! You said anyone who changes their mind based on what this guy did is committing a logical fallacy.


Then you said it was my job to prove you wrong forgetting that you have the burden of proof in this case. But you did set yourself an impossible task because how are you going to prove the thought processes of 7 billion people?

lol.

 

[spamking]

I'm sure any family member or close friend of a suicide victim is watching the praise being thrown this guy's way and reliving their trauma all over again. Congrats assholes.

My cousin did this exact thing in front of his estranged wife and sons back in 1997. He died 2 or 3 days later. He was able to tell my mom how much he regretted doing it before he died.

 

[DarthChen731]

My cousin did this exact thing in front of his estranged wife and sons back in 1997. He died 2 or 3 days later. He was able to tell my mom how much he regretted doing it before he died.

Terribly sad for his family and the families of anyone effected by suicide. But those praising him won't care, they just want to prop him up as a convenient hero for their cause.

Speaking as a person who has been in this position, I bet anyone who saw him in the days beforehand now wish they could grab a hold of him and say "Please, please, please take care of yourself. If you need help we're here to help you get it."

 

[DarthChen731]

If you hate America so much, you can feel free to leave.

He did

 

[terrapin]

From a logical standpoint, his actions should not affect how you think about the situation. Even with what you said, that you would think differently about it and more deeply now, frankly you shouldn’t. That’s just emotional manipulation and a literal logical fallacy.

All he did was draw attention to a situation. He made no actual argument for his case.

here is your fist quote to me on the subject. YOU have the burden of proving your position but have refused to. instead just restating the false claim that there is a logical fallacy involved.

YOU have to actually make a case here for why ANYONE who rethinks their position based on what this guy did is committing a logical fallacy. YOU have to show why they could not possibly be motivated to weigh the facts more carefully, absorb more facts than they had, re think the facts the already have, weigh compassion and love in the reasoning behind their position etc.

YOU have quite a task set out for yourself here. or you could just admit that you overstated things a bit and move on.

 

[Blayt7hh]

here is your fist quote to me on the subject. YOU have the burden of proving your position but have refused to. instead just restating the false claim that there is a logical fallacy involved.

YOU have to actually make a case here for why ANYONE who rethinks their position based on what this guy did is committing a logical fallacy. YOU have to show why they could not possibly be motivated to weigh the facts more carefully, absorb more facts than they had, re think the facts the already have, weigh compassion and love in the reasoning behind their position etc.

YOU have quite a task set out for yourself here. or you could just admit that you overstated things a bit and move on.

That’s not where I called a burden of proof fallacy… you should really stop this is not going well for you. I called it a burden of proof fallacy when you said I need to prove that 7 billion people can’t come up with a reason to rethink their position that doesn’t commit the fallacy based on his action.

So no, I did not commit it. You failed to understand it and should have find some googling before opening your mouth. And now you’re doing it again

They could be motivated by compassion or love. I’ve never said they couldn’t. But if that is the reason they changed their mind, they’ve committed the logical fallacy. Its cut and dry

You have repeatedly committed the same fallacies when I already gave you the answers to the test. Once again, do not come in here and pretend you are a thoughtful person that uses logic and philosophy anymore.

 

[terrapin]

People with moral compasses don't run the world. So his death is utterly irrelevant.

Or do you really think Biden and Netanyahu are going to radically change their strategy for dealing with Hamas because one retard decides to turn himself into a Roman Candle?

why such an arbitrarily high bar though man? in order for this man to have done good he only needs to influence one person to change their position or be moved spiritually to a deeper way of approaching the situation. if even one Israeli soldier is changed by it it could save a life... same for even one Palestinian soldier. it is his choice to do it and you dont get to set up arbitrarily high expectations for his actions justification.

people keep saying NO good will come of this and then set the bar at ending the war as if that is the ONLY good that justifies....

 

[terrapin]

That’s not where I called a burden of proof fallacy… you should really stop this is not going well for you. I called it a burden of proof fallacy when you said I need to prove that 7 billion people can’t come up with a reason to rethink their position that doesn’t commit the fallacy based on his action.

So no, I did not commit it. You failed to understand it and should have find some googling before opening your mouth. And now you’re doing it again

They could be motivated by compassion or love. I’ve never said they couldn’t. But if that is the reason they changed their mind for those reasons, they’ve committed the logical fallacy. Its cut and dry

You have repeatedly committed the same fallacies when I already gave you the answers to the test. Once again, do not come in here and pretend you are a thoughtful person that uses logic and philosophy anymore.

but it is YOUR claim so yes YOU have to provide proof of it. you claimed that anyone who changes their position based on what this guy did is committing a logical fallacy. that is hilariously stupid man. defend that position. you cant.



you are failing to think through this deeply. ive already given several examples of how a person could be changed by what this man did and not be committing a logical fallacy. you just dont want to deal with how ill thought out your position is.

 

[DarthChen731]

That’s not where I called a burden of proof fallacy… you should really stop this is not going well for you. I called it a burden of proof fallacy when you said I need to prove that 7 billion people can’t come up with a reason to rethink their position that doesn’t commit the fallacy based on his action.

So no, I did not commit it. You failed to understand it and should have find some googling before opening your mouth. And now you’re doing it again

They could be motivated by compassion or love. I’ve never said they couldn’t. But if that is the reason they changed their mind, they’ve committed the logical fallacy. Its cut and dry

You have repeatedly committed the same fallacies when I already gave you the answers to the test. Once again, do not come in here and pretend you are a thoughtful person that uses logic and philosophy anymore.

Might as well stop trying with this turtlefucker, he's gonna be spinning in circles until he burns out and it doesn't help us any to continue getting frustrated with his arrogant stupidity.

 

[terrapin]

Might as well stop trying with this turtlefucker, he's gonna be spinning in circles until he burns out and it doesn't help us any to continue getting frustrated with his arrogant stupidity.

have you got even one relevant argument that you are capable of?

 

[Blayt7hh]

you claimed that anyone who changes their position based on what this guy did is committing a logical fallacy. that is hilariously stupid man. defend that position. you cant.

No I didn't. That doesn't even make sense. his action can not be a logical fallacy. The fallacy is accepting his action as an argument which youve done

you are failing to think through this deeply. ive already given several examples of how a person could be changed by what this man did and not be committing a logical fallacy. you just dont want to deal with how ill thought out your position is.

No you didn't and I addressed that.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Might as well stop trying with this turtlefucker, he's gonna be spinning in circles until he burns out and it doesn't help us any to continue getting frustrated with his arrogant stupidity.

Yeah you are right

 

[spamking]

Terribly sad for his family and the families of anyone effected by suicide. But those praising him won't care, they just want to prop him up as a convenient hero for their cause.

Speaking as a person who has been in this position, I bet anyone who saw him in the days beforehand now wish they could grab a hold of him and say "Please, please, please take care of yourself. If you need help we're here to help you get it."

In my case, I had seen him like a week before and he seemed to be fine. Seemed like he was happy. He had a rough childhood and was able to turn things around and it was good until the marriage problems brought old trauma back into his mind.

I can't fathom why anyone would feel like it makes one lick of sense to praise the actions of this particular Airmen. The arrogance of it all just screams like they're completely out of touch with reality.

 

[DarthChen731]

In my case, I had seen him like a week before and he seemed to be fine. Seemed like he was happy. He had a rough childhood and was able to turn things around and it was good until the marriage problems brought old trauma back into his mind.

I can't fathom why anyone would feel like it makes one lick of sense to praise the actions of this particular Airmen. The arrogance of it all just screams like they're completely out of touch with reality.

So sad, man. Sorry to hear that.

Saw my buddy the night before, we talked about the World Cups in Russia and Qatar, we all made plans to see the new Avengers the next day. Once the dust had settled we realized he had this planned for at least 5-6 months. I sobbed through the entire funeral and all I could think was repeating in my head "I'm sorry."

People want to point to the fact that Bushnell seemed calm and rational as a way to disprove any kind of mental or emotional issues... that's because his mind was made up. So was Charles Rightmyers, and that's why we didn't suspect a thing.

 

[KnightTemplar]

why such an arbitrarily high bar though man? in order for this man to have done good he only needs to influence one person to change their position or be moved spiritually to a deeper way of approaching the situation. if even one Israeli soldier is changed by it it could save a life... same for even one Palestinian soldier. it is his choice to do it and you dont get to set up arbitrarily high expectations for his actions justification.

people keep saying NO good will come of this and then set the bar at ending the war as if that is the ONLY good that justifies....

Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy world. The average IDF soldier will piss themselves laughing at this. For that matter, so will the average Palestinian.

Your life is the single most important and valuable thing you own. If you are going to sacrifice it, then it better be for some measurable Greater Good.

Now, having said that, it was his life and he was free to end it. And I'm free to laugh at him for being a delusional moron.