A wolf versus a dog (discuss please)

[Kick Strickland]

I have a german shepherd and if a wolf came around, my dog would fill the room with uppercuts i tell you what.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

I really don't understand why the farmers live in areas where the wolves are larger, more willing to engage, and higher in numbers. Why would you try to run a business in an area that's the absolute worst for running that business?

There were no wolves there for a very long time, most of the farms were established when there were no wolves in the area, just mt lion and bear. They were reintroduced. There used to be wolves where the corn in Iowa now grows and wolves in Pa, and Ny. I don't think anyone wants to see them extinct but no one wants them in their own back yard.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

I have a german shepherd and if a wolf came around, my dog would fill the room with uppercuts i tell you what.

Not likely, 200 pound dogs traditionally used for wolf control are falling in the Northwest.

 

[Real_Magi]

There were no wolves there for a very long time. They were reintroduced. There used to be wolves where the corn in Iowa now grows and wolves in Pa, and Ny. I don't think anyone wants to see them extinct but no one wants them in their own back yard.

Oh ok. Man that sucks. Bad for the farmers and bad for the wolves.

 

[markulous]

There were no wolves there for a very long time. They were reintroduced. There used to be wolves where the corn in Iowa now grows and wolves in Pa, and Ny. I don't think anyone wants to see them extinct but no one wants them in their own back yard.

It's also not just super easy to pack up and leave a farm. Not like you can fit all your crops/livestock into a suitcase and take a quick ride to a wolf-free zone and immediately pick up where you left off.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

It's also not just super easy to pack up and leave a farm. Not like you can fit all your crops/livestock into a suitcase and take a quick ride to a wolf-free zone and immediately pick up where you left off.

The USDA has reported that some are just going under. I think they should have done the releases in Upstate New York and all of Appalachia.

 

[Real_Magi]

It's also not just super easy to pack up and leave a farm. Not like you can fit all your crops/livestock into a suitcase and take a quick ride to a wolf-free zone and immediately pick up where you left off.

True, but it's difficult for anyone to move. You don't put crops into your suitcase, you sell them, then before it's the season to grow more, you move. Pretty simple. You also fit your livestock into cattle trucks and move them.

That would be far easier than losing your ass on dying assets constantly. From a business perspective it simply doesn't make sense to stay in an area where you're constantly losing money. Most farmers aren't businessmen though and are probably just staying up all night on the back porch with a loaded rifle. I don't think they're looking at it from a business perspective, but rather, being super stubborn and going down with the ship like a "true captain".

 

[Dizzy]

Things are different now, the methods that used to work aren't anymore. The wolves are much larger than they were in the past, possibly because of less competition. These are not the wolves your grandad dealt with.

I didn't read anything in that article that said the wolves are growing into super wolves.

 

[markulous]

The USDA has reported that some are just going under. I think they should have done the releases in Upstate New York and all of Appalachia.

Not surprising really. Even if selling the farm and finding another job was a realistic option for these guys, which it's typically not, I can't imagine that it would be a seller's market for wolf-infested farms.

 

[markulous]

True, but it's difficult for anyone to move. You don't put crops into your suitcase, you sell them, then before it's the season to grow more, you move. Pretty simple. You also fit your livestock into cattle trucks and move them.

That would be far easier than losing your ass on dying assets constantly. From a business perspective it simply doesn't make sense to stay in an area where you're constantly losing money. Most farmers aren't businessmen though and are probably just staying up all night on the back porch with a loaded rifle. I don't think they're looking at it from a business perspective, but rather, being super stubborn and going down with the ship like a "true captain".

What if they have a mortgage or a loan out on the property? Most farmers probably don't have such a huge bank account where they can pay everything off, sell everything, keep afloat, buy another piece of property, grow more crops (while staying afloat some more), then finally start selling their crops a year later and be comfortable. Their farm is their livelihood, it's just just something they can move on from and start over within a few weeks.

 

[Real_Magi]

What if they have a mortgage or a loan out on the property? Most farmers probably don't have such a huge bank account where they can pay everything off, sell everything, keep afloat, buy another piece of property, grow more crops (while staying afloat some more), then finally start selling their crops a year later and be comfortable. Their farm is their livelihood, it's just just something they can move on from and start over within a few weeks.

I understand where you're coming from, but most of these guys are sitting on thousands of acres of mountain property that has been in the family for generations. They're basically sitting on a small fortune. 15k acres in the mountains would sell for insane amounts of money.

Also, even if they bought the property in the last 5 years (very unlikely with the wolf problems) that land would still be worth a shit load. If it was bought ten years ago they'd actually make a shit load selling at this point from inflation.

I would imagine that the amount of them that are just out right incapable of moving is less than 1%. I can't imagine anyone buying a farm in an area that is probably the worst place to farm in the entire US right now. If they did, that was an incredibly stupid business venture on their part. The good thing for people that would sell though is that they don't have to sell it as farm land. Tons of people (obviously not farmers) would kill to live in an area so rich with wildlife.

I really think most of them are just too damned stubborn. Family land, been in their family for generations, family business, and they just don't want to give it up.

I just have to say too, businesses fold every day. I'm sure the owners of those businesses wish it was as simple as just moving.

 

[Crazyced]

True, but it's difficult for anyone to move. You don't put crops into your suitcase, you sell them, then before it's the season to grow more, you move. Pretty simple. You also fit your livestock into cattle trucks and move them.

That would be far easier than losing your ass on dying assets constantly. From a business perspective it simply doesn't make sense to stay in an area where you're constantly losing money. Most farmers aren't businessmen though and are probably just staying up all night on the back porch with a loaded rifle. I don't think they're looking at it from a business perspective, but rather, being super stubborn and going down with the ship like a "true captain".

I guess you are not a farmer. It just doesn't work that way. It's not that easy. Plus other then the wolves, they might be living in prime farming location, which is harder and harder to find and quite expensive. You're talking about possible millions in cost just to move.

Plus how much do you think someone would be willing to pay for that 'wolf infested' property? Pulling out the guns and dropping everything that comes out of the woods is by all means the best solution as far as they are concerned.

 

[markulous]

I understand where you're coming from, but most of these guys are sitting on thousands of acres of mountain property that has been in the family for generations. They're basically sitting on a small fortune. 15k acres in the mountains would sell for insane amounts of money.

Also, even if they bought the property in the last 5 years (very unlikely with the wolf problems) that land would still be worth a shit load. If it was bought ten years ago they'd actually make a shit load selling at this point from inflation.

I would imagine that the amount of them that are just out right incapable of moving is less than 1%. I can't imagine anyone buying a farm in an area that is probably the worst place to farm in the entire US right now. If they did, that was an incredibly stupid business venture on their part. The good thing for people that would sell though is that they don't have to sell it as farm land. Tons of people (obviously not farmers) would kill to live in an area so rich with wildlife.

I really think most of them are just too damned stubborn. Family land, been in their family for generations, family business, and they just don't want to give it up.

I just have to say too, businesses fold every day. I'm sure the owners of those businesses wish it was as simple as just moving.

I'm sure stubbornness comes into play, but I think a lot too is just the time and money of moving is too costly.

I guess you are not a farmer. It just doesn't work that way. It's not that easy. Plus other then the wolves, they might be living in prime farming location, which is harder and harder to find and quite expensive. You're talking about possible millions in cost just to move.

Plus how much do you think someone would be willing to pay for that 'wolf infested' property? Pulling out the guns and dropping everything that comes out of the woods is by all means the best solution as far as they are concerned.

Exactly. Millions to move, thousands to plan your new crops, then you have to wait a long time to harvest.

 

[bad seed]

I understand where you're coming from, but most of these guys are sitting on thousands of acres of mountain property that has been in the family for generations. They're basically sitting on a small fortune. 15k acres in the mountains would sell for insane amounts of money.

Also, even if they bought the property in the last 5 years (very unlikely with the wolf problems) that land would still be worth a shit load. If it was bought ten years ago they'd actually make a shit load selling at this point from inflation.

You would need to be an influential ty**** to get zoning rights to develop on farmland. Not to mention the lack of infrastructure and overcoming EPA regulations. Unless youre Microsoft or Amazon building a campus, who would buy that land so far out?

Only a farmer. So it goes back to square one here.

Besides, you gonna let some mangy mutts run you out of town? Stand your ground and show em what you got.

 

[Jack Handy jr]

Do mutts count?

if so I'd like to enter
1 qtr gamebred pit,
1 qtr Irish wolf hund,
1 qtr Russian Grey Wolf,
1 qtr dober pinscher,
1 qtr Chihahua(for attitude)

this dog would be the ultimate chimera of canine ferocity,size, and strength. And though he would still lose to a game pit. I'd be confident in placing him against a rampaging chimpanzee, 12 strong men, and that Yoked ass kangaroo from the Handsome gorilla thread.

come at me. also don't judge my math. public school over here.

 

[Zer]

Do mutts count?

if so I'd like to enter
1 qtr gamebred pit,
1 qtr Irish wolf hund,
1 qtr Russian Grey Wolf,
1 qtr dober pinscher,
1 qtr Chihahua(for attitude)

I'd put money on any Chihahua that actually gets to pop a nut in that hellish dog orgy bro

 

[Kick Strickland]

I had something really fucking creepy happen the other day involving what I think was a coyote.

I live in rural Alabama and it's common to see all kinds of animals, even big cats once in a blue moon, coming through here. And coyotes are all over the place. Well the other day it was dusk, kinda hard to see, and me and my german shepherd were out in the backyard right next to a field about football field size. My dog starts barking and I'm assuming it's deer or something. But I look and see what appears to be a large dog standing out in the field, about 50 yards away from us. It's large, but skinny and ferral looking, with a very long tail, which made me wonder if it was a big cat (NOT something I want to see!).

Anyway, my dog is barking and runs toward this thing. Now my German Shepherd is pretty big, and sounds vicious when she barks, so most animals run in terror when she starts at them. But this thing, it just stood there, staring right at my dog. My dog is barking and closing in, and this thing is still and calm. Not like a startled deer freezing up, but like a "I don't give a fuck" kind of calmness. So my dog gets about 10 yards away and stops, which I've never seen her do. This animal, whatever it was, just calmly walks a few feet into the tree line and I lose sight of it. All the hairs on the back of my neck were standing up by this point. The way it walked and moved, combined with that long tail, were making me think big cat. But I've heard that coyotes will make sounds like they are wounded, to try to draw in other animals to them, where the rest of the pack will pounce on them. I'm assuming, if this thing was a coyote, it was standing still to try to draw my dog closer, where the rest of the pack was likely waiting just behind the tree line. It was pretty weird and I am still not sure what to make out of that. But damn it was creepy lol.

 

[markulous]

I had something really fucking creepy happen the other day involving what I think was a coyote.

I live in rural Alabama and it's common to see all kinds of animals, even big cats once in a blue moon, coming through here. And coyotes are all over the place. Well the other day it was dusk, kinda hard to see, and me and my german shepherd were out in the backyard right next to a field about football field size. My dog starts barking and I'm assuming it's deer or something. But I look and see what appears to be a large dog standing out in the field, about 50 yards away from us. It's large, but skinny and ferral looking, with a very long tail, which made me wonder if it was a big cat (NOT something I want to see!).

Anyway, my dog is barking and runs toward this thing. Now my German Shepherd is pretty big, and sounds vicious when she barks, so most animals run in terror when she starts at them. But this thing, it just stood there, staring right at my dog. My dog is barking and closing in, and this thing is still and calm. Not like a startled deer freezing up, but like a "I don't give a fuck" kind of calmness. So my dog gets about 10 yards away and stops, which I've never seen her do. This animal, whatever it was, just calmly walks a few feet into the tree line and I lose sight of it. All the hairs on the back of my neck were standing up by this point. The way it walked and moved, combined with that long tail, were making me think big cat. But I've heard that coyotes will make sounds like they are wounded, to try to draw in other animals to them, where the rest of the pack will pounce on them. I'm assuming, if this thing was a coyote, it was standing still to try to draw my dog closer, where the rest of the pack was likely waiting just behind the tree line. It was pretty weird and I am still not sure what to make out of that. But damn it was creepy lol.

Doesn't sound like a coyote. They aren't that big. I lived around those things quite a bit and they are typically pretty scared of domestic dogs and they have the build of a medium sized dog.

 

[420SherCat]

^creepy. Good thing it dodnt attack you two. You sure it wasnt a chupacabra? I know they are rampant in tx. But in alabama?

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

I had something really fucking creepy happen the other day involving what I think was a coyote.

I live in rural Alabama and it's common to see all kinds of animals, even big cats once in a blue moon, coming through here. And coyotes are all over the place. Well the other day it was dusk, kinda hard to see, and me and my german shepherd were out in the backyard right next to a field about football field size. My dog starts barking and I'm assuming it's deer or something. But I look and see what appears to be a large dog standing out in the field, about 50 yards away from us. It's large, but skinny and ferral looking, with a very long tail, which made me wonder if it was a big cat (NOT something I want to see!).

Anyway, my dog is barking and runs toward this thing. Now my German Shepherd is pretty big, and sounds vicious when she barks, so most animals run in terror when she starts at them. But this thing, it just stood there, staring right at my dog. My dog is barking and closing in, and this thing is still and calm. Not like a startled deer freezing up, but like a "I don't give a fuck" kind of calmness. So my dog gets about 10 yards away and stops, which I've never seen her do. This animal, whatever it was, just calmly walks a few feet into the tree line and I lose sight of it. All the hairs on the back of my neck were standing up by this point. The way it walked and moved, combined with that long tail, were making me think big cat. But I've heard that coyotes will make sounds like they are wounded, to try to draw in other animals to them, where the rest of the pack will pounce on them. I'm assuming, if this thing was a coyote, it was standing still to try to draw my dog closer, where the rest of the pack was likely waiting just behind the tree line. It was pretty weird and I am still not sure what to make out of that. But damn it was creepy lol.

They actually do as you described. The most common in your area are "latrans frustor" (19 subspecies). I think you have some "cannis rufus" (red wolves) in your area now. The red wolf is not very large but larger than coyote they are 45-75 pounds.