A wolf versus a dog (discuss please)

[HOLA]

The Irish wolfhound.

Prized by the Romans, used in war, given as gifts to royalty.

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It was an entirely different dog the Romans used. Even going back as little as 100 years, many dog breeds look quite different.

Modern Irish Wolfhounds have a lot of outcrossing(mixing of other breeds) in them. And they have a tremendous amount of health problems. They live like 6 years. They're really not robust.

 

[Real_Magi]

either one of these guys would eat any dog

Those north west wolves are getting fucking massive.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Those north west wolves are getting fucking massive.

I think it would be fun if they were all teleported to the North East, the panic would be funny.

 

[Real_Magi]

I think it would be fun if they were all teleported to the North East, the panic would be funny.

I can only imagine. The one on the right is almost as tall as the dude holding him up, while the wolf is sitting on his ass...

 

[Alphaboy]

Hyena vs wolf?

Wolves appear more agile (not that I'm an expert). Hyenas have one of the most powerful bite forces though. I don't know that this matters, b/c once you're bitten you're bitten.

But I want to give hyenas the edge b/c they have to ward off big cats in the savannah.

 

[Alphaboy]

Dog wins by cuteness. Puppy power

Haha

 

[Alphaboy]

There's something to be said for learned experience too.

Wolves spend all their lives hunting, and killing, and they learn how to do it quickly, and efficiently. And the pack structure means they fight internally a lot as well - so they are pretty experienced with fighting canine like animals.

Dogs don't spend their lives hunting and killing and would be relatively inexperienced in fighting another canines.

The only advantage a dog might have is it's health and that it's well fed. Wild wolves probably come with existing injuries and wounds, and are most likely suffer from malnutrition.

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There is certainly something to be said for combat experience.

There was an article I read above Lions vs. Tigers. The evidence shows (whenever there has been a fight) is that Lions will generally beat Tigers.

The reason is that tigers don't fight other tigers very often, and when faced with a lion, will go for the throat. Except male lions have huge great Manes protecting them - so the tigers' attack is softened.

Lions, when they fight each other, will often attack the thighs - looking to sever an artery

So the Tiger will ineffectually attack the lions throat, but quickly bleed to death from wounds.

Dogs still know how to kill... It is instinctual.

 

[Alphaboy]

A few breeds, like a Dogo or game bred Pit could take a wolf. Even though wolves are strong with a large bite force, dog fights are about gameness and tenacity. Even wolves and bears will tuck tale and run if they feel like they're taking too much damage. It's instinctual for them. Dogs bred for combat or hunting that have true "gameness" will never give up, even with major lacerations, broken bones, or an eyeball ripped out. Dog fights are fights of attrition and the most tenacious dog wins. If you watch wolves fight with each other, one will almost always give up and submit before things get too bloody.

There are numerous documented fights between Pits and wolves out west in the 1800's, with the Pits winning, much like the movie above. There are a couple of books written by dog fighters that discuss this, I'm trying to recall the names of the books.

That's a good point

 

[Alphaboy]

Prime motivated, sea level wolf probably has an edge however.

Ha!!!

 

[Bacco]

Please help me figure something out.

I know a wolf is like a dog on steroids and they are ferocious creatures. I am certain a wolf would beat most dogs in a fight, but I want to know why.

Size - Now I know wolves are bigger than the average dog, but there are some dogs that are just large! I saw a great Dane the other day whose back reached above my waste (I'm about average US male height).

Wolves appear to be tall and lanky, does that give them an advantage over stockier strong dogs like Bull Mastiffs and pits?

Feral - Could it be that wolves are wild, feral creatures while dogs have been bred for generations by humans to be softer?

Bite Stregth A wolf's bit strength is superior to the average dog... With an average of 400 lbs of pressure to a ridiculous 1200 lbs of pressure... Far more than the strongest dogs (Mastiffs - 552 lbs)

What advantage does a wolf have if the two were to fight?

How would the fight go?

Would the wolf even have an advantage?

I love these animal combat scenarios.

There are few confused things in this post

Size- Wolf size can change greatly based on area... russian or alaskan monsters and smaller ones we have here in central Italy or north africa are really different

Biggest wolves are like 60/70kg, with extreme rare case of 80/90 (86 was the record iirc, with rumor of heavier ones in east europe)
Big dogs can get bigger and heavier than that, even if the heaviest ones don't have wolf muscle/bodyfat ratio and tend to be usually fatter/softer

Dogs HeavyWeight champ is probably the caucasian shepard dog, very big dog with good shape

Feral(?)- the fact wolf is feral mean probably the opposite, since they got survival instict (even just as avoid useless damage) instead act kamikaze retard as dogs.
A wolf is likely less aggressive in direct face off, specially if alone.
But yeah, if forced or willing to fight wolf's wildness play a role, they're used to fight each other and as hunters they are used to kill

Bite- Wolf got bigger sharper teeth, mouth shape that apply more strenght, huge head, strong as fuck neck and they actually know where/how to bite



End of story

Wolf don't want play street fighter for youtubers because they have stuff to do like stay healty enough to hunt and survive.
They will prefer avoid fight, but if they have to they will likely fuck up the dog (and eat it)

Best wolves can kill any dog and a lot of other tougher things
Very best dogs can kill an average wolf
Average dog need big size advantage over average wolf, or he is likely fucked up.

 

[Alphaboy]

I've done a fair amount of research when the topic came up in another thread and the overwhelming majority of opinions and evidence shows tigers destroy lions. A full grown tiger can get up to 850lbs. A fully grown lion only tops off at around 500lbs. Tigers have a much more powerful bite, are quicker, stronger, and substantially smarter. Most instances I've read of lions killing tigers was on sneak attacks where they latched on to a tiger's neck.

This is all you need to know:



A kodiak bear destroys both though.

Okay, this is off the original topic but I wanted to chime in... Discovery used to have an animal face-off and use to create fantasy match ups like this. They'd use science, and engineering to determine the outcome of the matches.

They gave the edge to the lion... In the simulation, the Tiger could not penetrate the mane and wound up killed.

Do what you will with that info though.

 

[Alphaboy]

Nope. A 1-1 wolf victory is completely dependent on whether he is fighting an in shape 'working breed' dog or not.

In a 1-1 battle, a wolf would merc any dog of any type bred through pet lines. And the vast majority of dogs you see were either bred specifically to be pets or are mutt offspring of dogs bred to be pets.

'Working line' dogs are in every sense completely different animals than dogs bred to be pets.

Someone already mentioned the Pyrenees. A large, fit working line Pyrenees would match up quite nicely with a wolf. And a good working line Ovcharka or Turkish Khangal would most likely kill a wolf- or even 2 wolves.

Most of these breeds to not make very good pets. Because they are very hostile to anything they perceive as a threat. Which is pretty much anything or anyone.

Whoa! There goes my dreams...

Can you tell me what breeds those are?

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

That's a good point

Not sure if he has a good point. I would like to see his data, one thing I have read is there is no documented cases in North America of a domestic dog ever killing a wolf. There is documented cases in Europe of dogs killing wolves but supposedly none in North America. I will like to see the data. What I have seem could be wrong.

 

[Alphaboy]

Even though I do think certain breeds have a good chance of beating a wolf, one thing that people are forgetting when talking purely about size is the fact that wolves bite much, much harder than the hardest biting dog breeds in the world.

I would be interested in knowing whether or not dogs have lost resilience in their skin as well from all of the human controlled breeding.

I really don't think something like a pitbull with the lack of fur and a measly 260 psi bite would stand a chance honestly.

I agree, but what difference does that make though?

It isn't like humans where the hardest puncher wins. The harder puncher would knock out the other (granted they both have equal vulnerability).

But a bite is a bite... If it is fatal it is fatal regardless of strength, if it isn't fatal, it isn't fatal... Both will hurt.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Whoa! There goes my dreams...

Can you tell me what breeds those are?

They are all from the Molosser family of dogs. What you are seeing is a Caucasian mountain dog, a Tibetian Mastiff, and a Kangal. I would not trust these dogs to stand up to the recent larger wolves that are showing up in the North West. There is a chewed up Kangal earlier in this thread. The great wolf killing dogs showed a 50% size advantage but that size advantage is gone with what has been seen recently. Size is at parity now.

 

[Alphaboy]

I guess you are not a farmer. It just doesn't work that way. It's not that easy. Plus other then the wolves, they might be living in prime farming location, which is harder and harder to find and quite expensive. You're talking about possible millions in cost just to move.

Plus how much do you think someone would be willing to pay for that 'wolf infested' property? Pulling out the guns and dropping everything that comes out of the woods is by all means the best solution as far as they are concerned.

Forgive my ignorance on this farming subject but... why can't they just use fences??

 

[Alphaboy]

Do mutts count?

if so I'd like to enter
1 qtr gamebred pit,
1 qtr Irish wolf hund,
1 qtr Russian Grey Wolf,
1 qtr dober pinscher,
1 qtr Chihahua(for attitude)

this dog would be the ultimate chimera of canine ferocity,size, and strength. And though he would still lose to a game pit. I'd be confident in placing him against a rampaging chimpanzee, 12 strong men, and that Yoked ass kangaroo from the Handsome gorilla thread.

come at me. also don't judge my math. public school over here.

The legendary dogs from Pok

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Forgive my ignorance on this farming subject but... why can't they just use fences??

Wire strand is cost effective but will not keep the wolves out. They would need to use high game fences and inclosing something as small as 1200 acres would be super cost prohibitive.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Wire strand is cost effective but will not keep the wolves out. They would need to use high game fences and inclosing something as small as 1200 acres would be super cost prohibitive.

600 acres in a square mile....id hardly call 1200 " small" , not that I disagree with your point or anything.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

600 acres in a square mile....id hardly call 1200 " small" , not that I disagree with your point or anything.

640 acres is a sq mile. Some land can support a head of cattle per acre but others require 100 acres a head. The best land tends to go for crops. Ranches out west can be huge for a reason. Decent ranches used to be 10,000 acres or larger in the past. I know of some 7,000 acre ranches that strain to support 350 head.

This one supports 800 head of cattle 36,020 acres. They are producing way less than a head per 100 acres but they are raising their own hay so they don't have to buy that.

http://phillips-realty.com/product/teigen-land-livestock-co-inc-teigen-montana/