A wolf versus a dog (discuss please)

Cool classic thread by @Alphaboy

I saw a wolf the other day and was shocked by its size. Had to have been 100lbs. So I began researching record wolves in Alaska and found out that those beasts can weigh up to 175lbs(belly full). In these packs the average male weighs 100lbs. They’re efficient moose killers(mostly calfs). A domestic dog that possesses the strength to kill a wolf won’t be quick enough to get a hold of it. The wolf’s competitor is a bear and even they would rather walk away without incident.
 
Iroh said:
Wolves can get pretty big too.

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Yes, the guy on the right is a friend of mine here in MN. He is 6'1 and about 230 pounds and the wolf is bigger than him. We have huge wolves here in northern MN. I belive when they weighed that wolf he was 275lbs. No rot, wolfhound , or pit is going to kill that wolf.

A more typical wolf here is in the 100-150lb area though. I think there was a legendary three legged wolf near Little Falls that was close to 200lbs and they caught him and he's mounted now at the Zoo in Little Falls. So there are huge wolves, particularly Minnesota and north in Alaska and Canada. Southern wolves and wolves in Europe tend to be under 100lbs, sometimes even closer to middle sized dog size.
 
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Merlotte's said:
Cool classic thread by @Alphaboy

I saw a wolf the other day and was shocked by its size. Had to have been 100lbs. So I began researching record wolves in Alaska and found out that those beasts can weigh up to 175lbs(belly full). In these packs the average male weighs 100lbs. They’re efficient moose killers(mostly calfs). A domestic dog that possesses the strength to kill a wolf won’t be quick enough to get a hold of it. The wolf’s competitor is a bear and even they would rather walk away without incident.
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Thanks, I forgot all about this. Lol
 
I used to think a gamebred battlehardened pit would be able to beat a wolf of it's own size (not a big one) but then I saw that video of pit getting beat by wolf that didn't look any bigger, so idk anymore. Only dog that might have a chance against the big ones is a kangal, they are supposedly used to kill wolves in turkey but I've never seen any proof. The main advantages I see for a wolf are in it's intelligence, they are smarter than even the smartest dog breeds due to their independence from humans and having to look after themselves. Also their bite force, though I question how accurate these bite force measures really are. How can you accurately gauge the bite force for animals without know how hard they are exerting themselves?
 
A wolf is a dog (canine).

A game pit would destroy a wolf, no contest.
 
Real_Magi said:
To be fair, dogs bred for guarding livestock don't go out and "wreck wolves on the daily", their presence is enough to dissuade predators, such as wolves. Predator animals don't usually fight with other predators because an injury could mean their death. It's the same reason lions don't mess with honey badgers and grizzlies don't mess with mountain lions. It takes a very desperate predator to attack another predator.
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this is the correct answer
 
Sharkhunter said:
this is the correct answer
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You sure? Male Wolves fight daily for fun, dominance, and control of territory. To say that an Alpha Wolf would tuck tail in his territory, a territory he has to constantly fight to keep, especially to an invading dog sounds kinda foolish.

Wild animals will always have an upper hand to thier domestic counterparts. Mainly because thier counterparts have been domesticated, think about it.
 
SirRealKiller said:
Yes, the guy on the right is a friend of mine here in MN. He is 6'1 and about 230 pounds and the wolf is bigger than him. We have huge wolves here in northern MN. I belive when they weighed that wolf he was 275lbs. No rot, wolfhound , or pit is going to kill that wolf.
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They can get pretty big, but not THAT big
Heaviest ever recorded i think was slighty over 100kg (around 230lbs i guess)and was already a freak weight

Btw agree, max weight monsters like that or bit lower (or "just" 60kg) wild male wolf fuck up any dog, any breed, don't care about youtube commercials.

djacobox372 said:
A wolf is a dog (canine).

A game pit would destroy a wolf, no contest.
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but multiple dog breeds already can fuck up a pit, and wolf>dog

Alphaboy said:
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It'd destroy this no contest?
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kinda sure that's a shoop
But if i remember well that vid, that wolf still looked ridicolous big next to her

Considering how lean they are (specially next to large heavy dogs), a 50kg wolf is a big creature
Kinda like how a pro fighter weight 70kg and average 70kg guy watch weight and think to be same size, then it's not lol
 
SirRealKiller said:
Yes, the guy on the right is a friend of mine here in MN. He is 6'1 and about 230 pounds and the wolf is bigger than him. We have huge wolves here in northern MN. I belive when they weighed that wolf he was 275lbs. No rot, wolfhound , or pit is going to kill that wolf.

A more typical wolf here is in the 100-150lb area though. I think there was a legendary three legged wolf near Little Falls that was close to 200lbs and they caught him and he's mounted now at the Zoo in Little Falls. So there are huge wolves, particularly Minnesota and north in Alaska and Canada. Southern wolves and wolves in Europe tend to be under 100lbs, sometimes even closer to middle sized dog size.
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<mma4>

Didn't expect a response from someone who's peraonally familiar with the hunter in the pic.
 
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Flemmy Stardust said:
There are dog breeds that would probably annihilate most, if not all wolves.

Some dog breeds are wolves selectively bred to kick ass. Irish wolfhounds, for example, were bred to hunt wolves and they are fucking enormous.

A caucasian ovcharka would destroy a wolf, I'm guessing.

I've seen dogo Argentinos hold their own against mountain lions.
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Irish wolfhounds went extinct not long after wolves were exterminated from Ireland in the late 1700s. The current dog breed called the Irish wolfhound is a recreation of what the dog supposedly looked like, but not genetically related to the breed. It's a hybrid of the Scottish Deerhound, the Great Dane and the Borzoi. So in all actuality, the modern breed was NOT bred to hunt wolves, and a large wolf has a MUCH stronger bite force and aggression.

The large Caucasian and Anatolian dogs actually are bred to deal with wolves and hunt bears and are far more aggressive than Irish wolfhounds.
 
The biggest most ferocious type of wolf is a Direwolf they can be as big as a small horse and have psychic powers. They can also bite through metal if necessary.
 
Wolves are more intelligent, have much larger jaws, much stronger bite force and also generally much larger.

Not even a contest. Will tear apart a "game bred" pitbull (which aren't even that large.)

As to the dogs protecting livestock. They are trained to scare off wolves - not fight them to the death.

In what scenario are we talking about fighting here? Lock them in a small enclosure? Or in the wild?
 
My money is on the wolf. They are massive. I had no idea they were this big compared to a person



I also believe they have an advantage being wild and having to hunt/kill for food.

Look at the freaking size of that wolf
 
MWB1982 said:
My money is on the wolf. They are massive. I had no idea they were this big compared to a person



I also believe they have an advantage being wild and having to hunt/kill for food.

Look at the freaking size of that wolf
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There's a large variation in size. Basically the further north and the colder climate a wolf is located in relative to the Equator, the bigger the wolf will be. That wolf appears to be a northern Rocky Mountain wolf, which is one of the largest subspecies, and it's a particularly large specimen. The average gray wolf will be considerably smaller. But yes, generally speaking, a wolf is larger, stronger, more intelligent, more cunning, more vicious and more aggressive than a dog and has a stronger bite force.
 
Depends on the breed but wolves are bigger, have stronger bites, a have more honed hunting skills.
But some dogs that are bred to fight and be aggressive have a chance. The Caucasian’s are basically wolves already. As are Wolfhounds. And bred to kill.
Either way both lose to a Honey Badger, because they just don’t give a shit.
 
A timber wolf is also bred to fight; surviving and hunting in the wild. That's being raised to fight
 
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