A wolf versus a dog (discuss please)

[D Train]

Not sure if already posted but this will answer you!

The dogs breed to fend off wolves operate in packs. One on one a healthy adult wold wins.

IDK about the info, but that woman is kinda doing it for me.

 

[JabToucher]

IDK about the info, but that woman is kinda doing it for me.

There's nudes of her. Old scans from british tabloids uploaded. She was an actor when younger.

 

[D Train]

There's nudes of her. Old scans from british tabloids uploaded. She was an actor when younger.

My interest is piqued.

 

[Drain Bamage]

Please help me figure something out.

I know a wolf is like a dog on steroids and they are ferocious creatures. I am certain a wolf would beat most dogs in a fight, but I want to know why.

Size - Now I know wolves are bigger than the average dog, but there are some dogs that are just large! I saw a great Dane the other day whose back reached above my waste (I'm about average US male height).

Wolves appear to be tall and lanky, does that give them an advantage over stockier strong dogs like Bull Mastiffs and pits?

Feral - Could it be that wolves are wild, feral creatures while dogs have been bred for generations by humans to be softer?

Bite Stregth A wolf's bit strength is superior to the average dog... With an average of 400 lbs of pressure to a ridiculous 1200 lbs of pressure... Far more than the strongest dogs (Mastiffs - 552 lbs)

What advantage does a wolf have if the two were to fight?

How would the fight go?

Would the wolf even have an advantage?

I love these animal combat scenarios.

 

[D Train]

It also depends on the wolf.

An 80 lb Midwest US beta or a 150 lb alpha from Alaska.

I bet a pit would take the 80 lber and look like a badass doing it. And the 150 lb alpha would probably make a pit lunch.

I feel like a Dogo would have a good shot.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

People bred dogs to protect flocks of sheep from wolves by themselves such as the Great Pyrenees.

They also put huge ass spikes around their necks.

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

I've seen stuffed larger timber wolves and them things are enormous. The paws on the thing were bigger than Donald Trumps hands.

 

[D Train]

I've seen stuffed larger timber wolves and them things are enormous. The paws on the thing were bigger than Donald Trumps hands.

That’s not saying much, really.

 

[Judoka1532]

Since dogs came from wolves, A wolf is not a dog on steroids. A dog is just a degraded wolf. See what I did there. Anyways, I don't think any dogs stand much of a chance against a wolf. Size does play an important role, but there are asterisks that should go beside it. For instance, see below.

Most great danes would stand little chance with a bully breed dog such as a pit, american bulldog, mastiff, etc. They are too lanky. Too much body but not near the percentage of muscle.

 

[D Train]

Since dogs came from wolves, A wolf is not a dog on steroids. A dog is just a degraded wolf. See what I did there. Anyways, I don't think any dogs stand much of a chance against a wolf. Size does play an important role, but there are asterisks that should go beside it. For instance, see below.

Most great danes would stand little chance with a bully breed dog such as a pit, american bulldog, mastiff, etc. They are too lanky. Too much body but not near the percentage of muscle.

However, dogs can be bread and trained to fight. Wolves are designed specifically for survival in the wild. I might liken the scenario to putting Jon Jones against Les Stroud. In the wild, Les survives in situations where Jon would die. No question. It’s just what he does. But in a fight, well that’s what Jon is trained to do. Not a perfect example, I know.

 

[Cole train]

i used to go hunting for wolves with a knife as a teen (nothing serious just wanted to fight a wolf)

 

[I am your real dad]

Wolf's would win by numbers.

One on one you may be surprised.
I have dogs that fight bears, I don't think 1 wolf would be much of a problem.
If wolf's were better hunters and fighters than hounds the white man would have never selectively bred them to be hounds.

 

[StewDogg11]

Wolf's would win by numbers.

One on one you may be surprised.
I have dogs that fight bears, I don't think 1 wolf would be much of a problem.
If wolf's were better hunters and fighters than hounds the white man would have never selectively bred them to be hounds.

LOL so the guy who was defending the mailman who pepper sprayed a Poodle also owns bear fighting dogs.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

There are dog breeds that would probably annihilate most, if not all wolves.

Some dog breeds are wolves selectively bred to kick ass. Irish wolfhounds, for example, were bred to hunt wolves and they are fucking enormous.

A caucasian ovcharka would destroy a wolf, I'm guessing.

I've seen dogo Argentinos hold their own against mountain lions.

You've seen dogos hold their own...lol. ..where? I live in a place where we have lots of mountain lions and I've only seen one like once from a far distance and you seen dogs fight them....

 

[Judoka1532]

However, dogs can be bread and trained to fight. Wolves are designed specifically for survival in the wild. I might liken the scenario to putting Jon Jones against Les Stroud. In the wild, Les survives in situations where Jon would die. No question. It’s just what he does. But in a fight, well that’s what Jon is trained to do. Not a perfect example, I know.

Idk if anything I think the natural instinct to kill might trump what can be trained. I'm not 100% sure but I have that feeling.

 

[JabToucher]

i used to go hunting for wolves with a knife as a teen (nothing serious just wanted to fight a wolf)

Did you start with Foxes, then coyotes to gain confidence?

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

As taken from Teddy Roosevelts, hunting the grisly and other sketches:

"The wolf is one of the animals which can only be hunted successfully
with dogs. Most dogs however do not take at all kindly to the pursuit.
A wolf is a terrible fighter. He will decimate a pack of hounds by
rabid snaps with his giant jaws while suffering little damage himself;
nor are the ordinary big dogs, supposed to be fighting dogs, able to
tackle him without special training. I have known one wolf to kill a
bulldog which had rushed at it with a single snap, while another which
had entered the yard of a Montana ranch house slew in quick succession
both of the large mastiffs by which it was assailed. The immense
agility and ferocity of the wild beast, the terrible snap of his long-
toothed jaws, and the admirable training in which he always is, give
him a great advantage over fat, small-toothed, smooth-skinned dogs,
even though they are nominally supposed to belong to the fighting
classes. In the way that bench competitions are arranged nowadays this
is but natural, as there is no temptation to produce a worthy class of
fighting dog when the rewards are given upon technical points wholly
unconnected with the dog's usefulness. A prize-winning mastiff or
bulldog may be almost useless for the only purposes for which his kind
is ever useful at all. A mastiff, if properly trained and of
sufficient size, might possibly be able to meet a young or undersized
Texas wolf; but I have never seen a dog of this variety which I would
esteem a match single-handed for one of the huge timber wolves of
western Montana. Even if the dog was the heavier of the two, his teeth
and claws would be very much smaller and weaker and his hide less
tough. Indeed I have known of but one dog which single-handed
encountered and slew a wolf; this was the large vicious mongrel whose
feats are recorded in my /Hunting Trips of a Ranchman/."

I don't do much hunting anymore myself, but any hunters will tell you that wolves are just different beasts, especially timber wolves. They are quick, ferocious if need be, strong and agile. They also have the killers edge....it's what they do to survive.

Only a gamebred dog or large powerful dog would stand a chance against a full grown , large wolf, but even then, it's chances would probably be slim to none.

Wolves have larger paws, and jaws that are meant to crush bones with. Their bite force is much greater then the bite force of the strongest dog, and most telling of all, they are survivalist and natural hunters which means they are more durable and savage then any dog you will find in your back yard.

Really think about it.

 

[cooks1]

Well, Wolves have been operating under unmolested Darwinian Law (Only the strong survive) since their inception. For that reason, your 'average' wolf will destroy your 'average' dog. They are a lot stronger and smarter too. There are places where wolves just jedi mind trick stray dogs into coming back to their pack to be eaten.

That said, while wolves are smarter than dogs, they are not smarter than Man. And man has been selectively breeding dogs for a while now as well. Dogs have been bred to fight wolves. Irish Wolfhounds were bred specifically to protect against and hunt down wolves. Caucasian Ovcharkas and Mastiffs can be enormous. Males can get over 200 lbs. They were bred to fight wolves, jackals and bears.

Does that mean your 'average' Irish Wolfhound or Ovchorka today could kill your 'average' wolf. No. Breeding to make them more docile and better companions has softened them up considerably.

But if you went out to the right places that still use dogs to protect flocks, you could absolutely find a bloodline of Wolfhound or Ovchorka that could handle a wolf.

But if I were going to go out and find a pure blood dog to fight a wolf, I would look for a Kangal. They are a little smaller than Ovcharka but they are just as strong and a lot faster. They are faster even than wolves. The right purebred Kangal is a badass of a dog and would have no trouble killing a wolf. In fact a single Kangal can fend of an attack from 2 or 3 wolves, maybe more. One of the other benefits of Kangals is that they work together incredibly well. A group of 3 ot 4 purebred Kangals can do serious damage to an entire pack of wolves.

I don't want to embed anything cause consequences. But you can go on youtube and see Kangals killing wolves, and a single Kangal fight off multiple wolves.

 

[90 50]

As taken from Teddy Roosevelts, hunting the grisly and other sketches:

"The wolf is one of the animals which can only be hunted successfully
with dogs. Most dogs however do not take at all kindly to the pursuit.
A wolf is a terrible fighter. He will decimate a pack of hounds by
rabid snaps with his giant jaws while suffering little damage himself;
nor are the ordinary big dogs, supposed to be fighting dogs, able to
tackle him without special training. I have known one wolf to kill a
bulldog which had rushed at it with a single snap, while another which
had entered the yard of a Montana ranch house slew in quick succession
both of the large mastiffs by which it was assailed. The immense
agility and ferocity of the wild beast, the terrible snap of his long-
toothed jaws, and the admirable training in which he always is, give
him a great advantage over fat, small-toothed, smooth-skinned dogs,
even though they are nominally supposed to belong to the fighting
classes. In the way that bench competitions are arranged nowadays this
is but natural, as there is no temptation to produce a worthy class of
fighting dog when the rewards are given upon technical points wholly
unconnected with the dog's usefulness. A prize-winning mastiff or
bulldog may be almost useless for the only purposes for which his kind
is ever useful at all. A mastiff, if properly trained and of
sufficient size, might possibly be able to meet a young or undersized
Texas wolf; but I have never seen a dog of this variety which I would
esteem a match single-handed for one of the huge timber wolves of
western Montana. Even if the dog was the heavier of the two, his teeth
and claws would be very much smaller and weaker and his hide less
tough. Indeed I have known of but one dog which single-handed
encountered and slew a wolf; this was the large vicious mongrel whose
feats are recorded in my /Hunting Trips of a Ranchman/."

I don't do much hunting anymore myself, but any hunters will tell you that wolves are just different beasts, especially timber wolves. They are quick, ferocious if need be, strong and agile. They also have the killers edge....it's what they do to survive.

Only a gamebred dog or large powerful dog would stand a chance against a full grown , large wolf, but even then, it's chances would probably be slim to none.

Wolves have larger paws, and jaws that are meant to crush bones with. Their bite force is much greater then the bite force of the strongest dog, and most telling of all, they are survivalist and natural hunters which means they are more durable and savage then any dog you will find in your back yard.

Really think about it.

I used to have a timber wolf, I found it alone as a starving puppy in the woods. No doubt a hunter killed its mother.

I raised it, along side my pit.

They played a lot, and there is zero doubt which one would have one in a real fight.

My wolf. I need to find my old pics and scan them. It was my favorite “pet” ever, my bobcat is a close second

 

[Tuf_guy]

One of my old co-workers used to have a wolf. She told me a story once about how some people brought two pits to the woods or wherever she was. They started running towards her wolf aggressively and she got scared. She said the wolf picked each of them up by the neck and laid them down and restrained them both.