A wolf versus a dog (discuss please)

[madizm2]

Horned-up Falkor>>>>

 

[lawmills2006]

Russian Shepherd dogs wins over all

 

[Bagatur]

dogs are wolves with all those wild animals instincts bread out. sure there are dog breeds that have some of left for the purpose of hunting or fighting, but it is nothing compared to wolves' natural traits.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Huh

There are dog breeds that would probably annihilate most, if not all wolves.

Some dog breeds are wolves selectively bred to kick ass. Irish wolfhounds, for example, were bred to hunt wolves and they are fucking enormous.

A caucasian ovcharka would destroy a wolf, I'm guessing.

I've seen dogo Argentinos hold their own against mountain lions.

It doesn't quite work like that. Dogs are not used to hunt things individually. How would a Rhodesian ridge back fare against a l lion? They were bred for hunting lions after all.

It's hard to overstate the amount of " drive" or tenacity that a wild animal brings to the table also. Having to chase down and kill every single meal that you eat tends seperate the wheat from the chaff quickly. Hell , a ra**** will give most dogs twice its size more than it can handle. I don't see your Irish wolfhound " destroying" a healthy wolf anywhere close to its size.

 

[mikezismike]

Wolfs are fierce by nature maybe a large dog breed has a chance

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Livestock guard dogs appear to be losing the battle against wolves in the Northwest. These are traditional breeds that were used successfully in the past. It seems wolves are either getting tougher or the breeds are getting worse.

 

[Phlog]

People here are assuming all sorts of shit about wolf mentality.

There are dogs that have been bred to fight to the death for nothing.

It's 90% psychology and dogs got dat bro.

Prime motivated, sea level wolf probably has an edge however.

 

[Phlog]

Livestock guard dogs appear to be losing the battle against wolves in the Northwest. These are traditional breeds that were used successfully in the past. It seems wolves are either getting tougher or the breeds are getting worse.

Might be new blood needed.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

WASHINGTON, March 12 2014 - USDA researchers are testing larger breeds of “livestock protection dogs” to help farmers and ranchers in Western states cope with the rising number of wolves and other large predators.

USDA's Wildlife Services (WS) program and its research arm, the National Wildlife Research Center (NWRC), are conducting the effort after finding that the recovering wolf and grizzly bear populations are posing greater threats to current breeds of livestock protection dogs such as the Great Pyrenees, Komondor and Akbash. USDA's announcement noted that these breeds are now losing many of the fights and “are no match for these larger predators.”

http://www.agri-pulse.com/Got-wolves-USDA-brings-on-the-big-dogs-03122014.asp

Young said she's heard from producers that their best dogs are being killed by wolves, when they had already been effective against black bears, cougars and other large predators for years. “Wolves can cause so much damage to a particular producer that that producer can really just lose their business,” she said.

 

[Te Huna Matata]

There's something to be said for learned experience too.

Wolves spend all their lives hunting, and killing, and they learn how to do it quickly, and efficiently. And the pack structure means they fight internally a lot as well - so they are pretty experienced with fighting canine like animals.

Dogs don't spend their lives hunting and killing and would be relatively inexperienced in fighting another canines.

The only advantage a dog might have is it's health and that it's well fed. Wild wolves probably come with existing injuries and wounds, and are most likely suffer from malnutrition.

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There is certainly something to be said for combat experience.

There was an article I read above Lions vs. Tigers. The evidence shows (whenever there has been a fight) is that Lions will generally beat Tigers.

The reason is that tigers don't fight other tigers very often, and when faced with a lion, will go for the throat. Except male lions have huge great Manes protecting them - so the tigers' attack is softened.

Lions, when they fight each other, will often attack the thighs - looking to sever an artery

So the Tiger will ineffectually attack the lions throat, but quickly bleed to death from wounds.

I've done a fair amount of research when the topic came up in another thread and the overwhelming majority of opinions and evidence shows tigers destroy lions. A full grown tiger can get up to 850lbs. A fully grown lion only tops off at around 500lbs. Tigers have a much more powerful bite, are quicker, stronger, and substantially smarter. Most instances I've read of lions killing tigers was on sneak attacks where they latched on to a tiger's neck.

This is all you need to know:

At the Coney Island animal show in 1909, a male tiger killed a male lion. During the performance, a performing lion attacked a chained tiger by leaping through the air, landing on the tiger's back. Though hampered by the heavy neck chain fastened to the iron bars of the arena, the tiger was more than a match for the lion and mangled the lion to death.[35]

A kodiak bear destroys both though.

 

[bad seed]

I've done a fair amount of research when the topic came up in another thread and the overwhelming majority of opinions and evidence shows tigers destroy lions. A full grown tiger can get up to 850lbs. A fully grown lion only tops off at around 500lbs. Tigers have a much more powerful bite, are quicker, stronger, and substantially smarter. Most instances I've read of lions killing tigers was on sneak attacks where they latched on to a tiger's neck.

Troof.

Dunno where the other guy got his bs but everything I've read shows tigers wreck lions. Even female tigers kill male lions.
P4P goes to leopards tho. Most explosive cat.

I'd bet on polar bears over a Kodiak tho. Spend much more time killing large prey while a fatass brown bear sits around fishing and eating berries.

 

[Heelhook71]

Wolves need to stay healthy to survive, so they wouldn't be as willing to fight and would most probably run instead of fighting an big aggressive dog. I couldn't see a dog beating a wolf 1vs1 except maybe a Caucasian shepherd dog. They seem more like bears than dogs.

 

[cooks1]

They'd beat any dog 1 on 1.

Nope. A 1-1 wolf victory is completely dependent on whether he is fighting an in shape 'working breed' dog or not.

In a 1-1 battle, a wolf would merc any dog of any type bred through pet lines. And the vast majority of dogs you see were either bred specifically to be pets or are mutt offspring of dogs bred to be pets.

'Working line' dogs are in every sense completely different animals than dogs bred to be pets.

Someone already mentioned the Pyrenees. A large, fit working line Pyrenees would match up quite nicely with a wolf. And a good working line Ovcharka or Turkish Khangal would most likely kill a wolf- or even 2 wolves.

Most of these breeds to not make very good pets. Because they are very hostile to anything they perceive as a threat. Which is pretty much anything or anyone.

 

[Smw]

Plenty of breeds wreck wolves on the daily. Ovcharkas, Bully Kuttas, Tibetan Mastiffs, and most of the larger sheepdogs can all fend off wolves.

I'm not so sure that they "wreck wolves daily".

It's possible that the dog acts as a deterrent, adding one more hazard to overcome for the wolf.

Same way my dog defends against thieves.

 

[markulous]

Most animals don't fight to the death. They posture up and try to intimidate one another and usually one backs off. Even though a wolf can take down a couple sheep dogs, it probably would run off. The dogs would be more confident and more aggressive in their own territory and the wolf would just look for easier prey.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

They'd beat any dog 1 on 1.

Come on, it would get the best of a game pit for a few minutes and then the tables would turn and the wolf would high tale it and run

 

[CatchOmega]

I have a hard time imagining the skill level being equal very often. Wolves are elite predators who live in a kill-or-be-killed world, and must fend for themselves. Dogs are just pets, albeit oftentimes intelligent and hardworking. In most cases, it would be like a decent street fighter taking on a Navy SEAL, of comparable weight.

Sorry, when I said skill level being "equal", I ment it in a pretty basic sense. Is it an elite level German attack dog vs a sickly malnourished wolf? Or is it an old, domesticated, arthritis ridden rottweiler vs an alpha wolf in peak condition?

There are some pretty amazing purpose trained dogs that would likely survive against a younger, inexperienced and smaller wolf.. but comparing it wolf in peak condition it wouldn't stand a chance imo.

In the end I agree with what you're saying.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

dogs are wolves with all those wild animals instincts bread out. sure there are dog breeds that have some of left for the purpose of hunting or fighting, but it is nothing compared to wolves' natural traits.

certain breeds of dogs have other attributes bred into them over years of selective breeding (gameness and drive) wich will win out in the end. The wolf will tuck tale

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

All dogs have a common ancestor to wolves. Most breeds that exist today have been artificially selected for certain traits so if you get the right breed, it's going to destroy a wolf.

 

[Real_Magi]

Even though I do think certain breeds have a good chance of beating a wolf, one thing that people are forgetting when talking purely about size is the fact that wolves bite much, much harder than the hardest biting dog breeds in the world.

I would be interested in knowing whether or not dogs have lost resilience in their skin as well from all of the human controlled breeding.

I really don't think something like a pitbull with the lack of fur and a measly 260 psi bite would stand a chance honestly.