International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

[Voodoo_Child906]

If they would have accepted that. The same thing would have happened as the situation now. They would have invaded Palestine for 'security' excuses and occupy the land. The difference with now is that they didn't sign for their slavery.
Why on earth would Israel respect international agreements if they don't do it now.
That 'deal' would have been their death.
The situation now is exactly the same. But at least they didn't sign for their slavery.

But they have respected border agreements, they've given the Sinai back to Egypt and respect their borders, they also negotiated the disputes and borders with Jordan and once again respected their shared borders. All it took was a peace agreement.

 

[TheWave111]

But they have respected border agreements, they've given the Sinai back to Egypt and respect their borders, they also negotiated the disputes and borders with Jordan and once again respected their shared borders. All it took was a peace agreement.

Is that a comparison?
These are 2 souvereign countries.
They gave Sinai back because they can't afford year after years wars with neighbours. They didn't have any choice.
Palestine is not a country. It should be given rights to protect itself. Palestine should be a sovereign country.
What kind of deal are you suggesting?
Permanent full control of Israel over Palestine? What kind of 'deal' is that. What's the difference between the 'deal' and now?
Just because you call it a country on paper it doesn't mean it's a country.
It's a community within Israel fully controlled by Israel.

Don't take my comment harsh. This is my style.

 

[TheWave111]

How about Al Jazeera and the United Nations? Do you trust them, or are they too pro Israel for your tastes? lol

http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...ns-killed-44-palestinians-at-un-shelters.html

They reported on a UN report that detailed how the Israeli's killed 44 Palestinians. Of course they put the death toll front and centre, but if you scroll down just a bit you'll see that the United Nations confirmed what Israeli's have been saying: Hamas stored mortars and other weapons in at least three UN schools and fired rockets at Israel from two of them. What would possess someone to use a school as a launch site for rockets? UN facilities have long been popular launch sites for Hamas and there is a long history of the UN turning a blind eye to this.

Israel targets Hamas launch sites, which they just happen to set up in populated areas so their own people die and they can get good publicity, and Israel gives advanced notice of their attacks. Hamas hide behind Palestinian civilians and launch attacks indiscriminately on Israeli civilians.

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization (or the military wing of a terrorist organization) by several countries. They are garbage.

Israel is founded by Irgun amd it resulted in Likud.
A terrorist who bombed the king David hotel in the 40ies became president of Israel.

 

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How about Al Jazeera and the United Nations? Do you trust them, or are they too pro Israel for your tastes? lol

http://america.aljazeera.com/articl...ns-killed-44-palestinians-at-un-shelters.html

They reported on a UN report that detailed how the Israeli's killed 44 Palestinians. Of course they put the death toll front and centre, but if you scroll down just a bit you'll see that the United Nations confirmed what Israeli's have been saying: Hamas stored mortars and other weapons in at least three UN schools and fired rockets at Israel from two of them. What would possess someone to use a school as a launch site for rockets? UN facilities have long been popular launch sites for Hamas and there is a long history of the UN turning a blind eye to this.

Israel targets Hamas launch sites, which they just happen to set up in populated areas so their own people die and they can get good publicity, and Israel gives advanced notice of their attacks. Hamas hide behind Palestinian civilians and launch attacks indiscriminately on Israeli civilians.

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization (or the military wing of a terrorist organization) by several countries. They are garbage.

I read the article and you’re being disingenuous. Nowhere in the article does it say that Hamas was using Palestinians as human shields.

However, a UN building was used by Hamas as a storage unit, but since it was an empty building as the article describes, and no longer in use by the UN, you can’t claim that Hamas was using human shields, as nobody was in those buildings.

And this was what the whole argument was about. I asked you to show me ANY proof from a credible and independent source that proofs Hamas’ using their own people as human shields and you failed to do so. On the other hand I showed you multiple sources where the so called “most moral army” of the world regularly DO use Palestinians as human shields in the literal form. More than a thousand times just in the span of 5 years alone.

I just don’t get this stupid “human shield” argument from Israel apologists anyway. Even if it would have been true (which it is not), where is the logic in bombarding an entire school filled with children and teachers just to take out a couple of Hamas fighters? It makes no sense. Also, if Hamas truly was using them as a human shield, and you decide to blow the innocent “human shields” in to pieces, what does this make you? An even bigger monster than Hamas if you ask me.

As I said earlier, blowing up an entire building to kill a couple of bad guys as you claim, is the same as blowing up the entire bank filled with hostages just to take out 2 of the bank robbers. Its insane. And defending this is even more abhorrent. I don’t understand how Israel and their apologists can get away with these dirt poor arguments and no journalist presses them on this BS whenever they come on TV. History will look back at those segments as cartoonishly evil imo.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Is that a comparison?
These are 2 souvereign countries.
They gave Sinai back because they can't afford year after years wars with neighbours. They didn't have any choice.
Palestine is not a country. It should be given rights to protect itself. Palestine should be a sovereign country.
What kind of deal are you suggesting?
Permanent full control of Israel over Palestine? What kind of 'deal' is that. What's the difference between the 'deal' and now?
Just because you call it a country on paper it doesn't mean it's a country.
It's a community within Israel fully controlled by Israel.

Don't take my comment harsh. This is my style.

Of course Israel had a choice and they gave land back to Egypt and Jordan and recognized the borders according to the peace deal. Palestine would be a country with recognized borders as well with those peace agreement but they were not accepted.

 

[TheWave111]

Of course Israel had a choice and they gave land back to Egypt and Jordan and recognized the borders according to the peace deal. Palestine would be a country with recognized borders as well with those peace agreement but they were not accepted.

Israel didn't have a choice. They can't fight battles on 3 fronts for years and years.
Palestine wouldn't have borders. They would have been trapped. Read my post back.
They wouldn't be a country. That's the whole point.
Instead of repeating the same thing why don't you start to read my post and respond why there was never offered a country or borders.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Israel didn't have a choice. They can't fight battles on 3 fronts for years and years.
Palestine wouldn't have borders. They would have been trapped. Read my post back.
They wouldn't be a country. That's the whole point.
Instead of repeating the same thing why don't you start to read my post and respond why there was never offered a country or borders.

Of course they had a choice, they've beaten back every Arab army they've faced and with nuclear weapons they could have continued to do so. The Israelis chose peace with the Egyptians and the Jordanians and each party have respected each others borders ever since. And yes the Palestinians were offered their own country in those 2 offers.

 

[FIGHTING TALK]

Instead of all the fighting, why don’t Palestine put all their effort into tapping for oil and gas? Then they could have a beautiful state full of incredible skyscrapers and make Gaza look like Dubai or Abu Dhabi.. then if Israel continue to attack, we know for sure it’s them at fault and they are clearly haters.. just an idea.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Of course Israel had a choice and they gave land back to Egypt and Jordan and recognized the borders according to the peace deal. Palestine would be a country with recognized borders as well with those peace agreement but they were not accepted.

Staregically cant believe they gave up Sinai. Stupid. Also they gave it up but got stuck with all the Gazans. SADAT was smart to negotiate that Israel get stuck with all the Gazans and get nothing despite Egypt having lost and attacked them before

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Staregically cant believe they gave up Sinai. Stupid. Also they gave it up but got stuck with all the Gazans. SADAT was smart to negotiate that Israel get stuck with all the Gazans and get nothing despite Egypt having lost and attacked them before

I really don't think the Israelis intended to keep the Sinai after the six day war, it seemed like it was more of a bargaining chip for them. Even though there were strategic advantages it was unlivable arid desert, did not hold any cultural significance and more than doubled the land that the IDF had to defend. By giving it back Israel's then strongest enemy was no longer a military threat, it wasn't a warm peace but the treaty and the recognition as a state was what Israel was really after.

 

[Spiritual Sight]

Of course they had a choice, they've beaten back every Arab army they've faced and with nuclear weapons they could have continued to do so. The Israelis chose peace with the Egyptians and the Jordanians and each party have respected each others borders ever since. And yes the Palestinians were offered their own country in those 2 offers.

Israel cannot use nuclear weapons in battles with any of their neighbors. You're not arguing to make any sense. You're just forcing your will against another person.

 

[giusti825]

Of course they had a choice, they've beaten back every Arab army they've faced and with nuclear weapons they could have continued to do so. The Israelis chose peace with the Egyptians and the Jordanians and each party have respected each others borders ever since. And yes the Palestinians were offered their own country in those 2 offers.

No way....When the israelis airstrike syria, they choose flight paths that fly from over jordan so the syrians wont shoot down their planes....

 

[giusti825]

Instead of all the fighting, why don’t Palestine put all their effort into tapping for oil and gas? Then they could have a beautiful state full of incredible skyscrapers and make Gaza look like Dubai or Abu Dhabi.. then if Israel continue to attack, we know for sure it’s them at fault and they are clearly haters.. just an idea.

They can't get building supplies without the israelis giving the ok. They only get as much fuel, water and electricity as the israelis allow.....if there was oil in the gaza strip or the west bank, the israelis would send them some democracy quick, fast and in a hurry......

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Israel is founded by Irgun amd it resulted in Likud.
A terrorist who bombed the king David hotel in the 40ies became president of Israel.

It does make the high moral ground against terrorism all the more hypocritical, terrorism against the local muslim population and against the British was a very significant factor in the founding of Israel.

The idea that Israel was a peaceful project started as a response to the holocaust that was then invaded by its antisemitic neighbors is just a fantasy but one a large part of the US population seem to believe.

Acknowledging that doesn't mean you think modern Israel should be wiped off the map, it gives far better perspective on the situation though.

 

[TheWave111]

Of course they had a choice, they've beaten back every Arab army they've faced and with nuclear weapons they could have continued to do so. The Israelis chose peace with the Egyptians and the Jordanians and each party have respected each others borders ever since. And yes the Palestinians were offered their own country in those 2 offers.

They didn't do anything.
They were backed up by the US.
this fairy tale that a small country did it on their own is just a fairy tale.
Israel is a state of the US.
Israel was promised to the zionists by the British before the British had even control over Palestine.

They could have used weapons. But that would mean the end. Because countries will retaliate forever. They has no choice.

 

[FIGHTING TALK]

They can't get building supplies without the israelis giving the ok. They only get as much fuel, water and electricity as the israelis allow.....if there was oil in the gaza strip or the west bank, the israelis would send them some democracy quick, fast and in a hurry......

So what you are saying is, there’s still hope yet?

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

They didn't do anything.
They were backed up by the US.
this fairy tale that a small country did it on their own is just a fairy tale.
Israel is a state of the US.
Israel was promised to the zionists by the British before the British had even control over Palestine.

They could have used weapons. But that would mean the end. Because countries will retaliate forever. They has no choice.

If you seriously think they didn't do anything then you've made the same grave mistake of underestimating them that the Arabs made in 1948! They've fought multiple Arab countries on multiple fronts in 3 separate wars and they are still standing and stronger than ever. Israel has peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan and the window is closing for the Palestinians as the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco have also formalized diplomatic relations with Israel. They are being abandoned and need to make peace and accept any offer that is put on the table.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

No way....When the israelis airstrike syria, they choose flight paths that fly from over jordan so the syrians wont shoot down their planes....

I didn't realize this, has King Abdullah allowed this? I can't find a link, would you have one so I can read up on it?

 

[MicroBrew]

So what you are saying is, there’s still hope yet?

Israel controls what and who goes in and out of Gaza. There's a good reason why many folks call Gaza an open air prison. With the restrictions placed on Gaza and its inhabitants, developing the economy with large projects would be impossible unless Israel says it is ok.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Israel cannot use nuclear weapons in battles with any of their neighbors. You're not arguing to make any sense. You're just forcing your will against another person.

Rightly or wrongly they have the deterrent there.