International 248 people, 66 children Palestinian dead after "Apartheid state" Israel launches airstrikes in Gaza

TheWave111 said:
I'll ignore your personal attacks on me.
I've read your comment. You've shown what your criteria is. Something Israel will say yes to. That's the 'reality' according to you.
What's the maximum what Israel will say yes to? Then I can give you an answer based on the 'reality'.
Since I'm stupid and you are smart tell me what the 'the reality' is and what the maximum demands that Israel will agree on.
If you don't paint this 'reality' to me I can't give you an answer. Because I'm too stupid to know what the 'reality' is.
Your definition of 'reality' is something Israel will say yes to. What's that exactly?
Because if you don't tell me then your 'reality' is not described.
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The situation is like this: Israel cant be beaten by the palestinians, military solution for them is impossible, and every time they try it leads to more palestinian casualties.
Israel wont go back to the old un accords, if they would the situation could already be finished.

What I wanted was for you to theorize something you thought the palestinians could agree to, when you look at the situation like it is. It wont solve anything in the big picture, i was jsut curious what you could see happening. In other words I was looking for your opinion on the subject, but all you do is come at me like im controling the israeli aggression and unfairness of the whole situation.

It seems me simply stating that israel is the powerfull party in this relationship sent you off the rails. And about the stupid stuff, dont take life here on sherdog seriously :D Just call me a retard right back and balance is restored.


Spiritual Sight said:
I appreciate the way you are keeping it real. I do understand how far away from the norm those ideas are.

The truth is, the only thing keeping Israel from paying for their crimes is the veto power of the United States. Their military capabilities will not save them, if that particular piece of political atmosphere changes. As much as my ideas (the ideas of Yehudah Hakohen) sound like they are robbing Israel of something, what they would actually do is save Israel from the wrath to come.
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The thing is the western world is full of powerfull jewish families and persons. The west will never stop supporting israel because of the religious angle and the money and power angle. The un is powerless in reality when it comes to israel, as its most powerfull members are ride and die for religious/power reasons.
And im not talking about some weird illuminati conspiracy.
 
TryggeTryggvar said:
The thing is the western world is full of powerfull jewish families and persons. The west will never stop supporting israel because of the religious angle and the money and power angle. The un is powerless in reality when it comes to israel, as its most powerfull members are ride and die for religious/power reasons.
And im not talking about some weird illuminati conspiracy.
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It appears that a shift is happening during this current event. I'm hearing Jewish livestreams talking about Israel having lost support of America Jewery, about the way Zionism began as an anti-semitic movement and how it still is, about one state solution, about the Jewish State trying to redefine Jewery as Zionist.. I don't see the politicians of the west flipping quickly but the way the livestreamers talk, if Israel has lost American Jewery then they have lost wordwide Jewery. If this is real, it is only a matter of time for politicians to begin flipping.
 
DoctorDeelon said:
Funny to see all these liberals riding terrorist Hamas dick.

War Israel.
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Some of us are actually on-board with the "Never Again" motif. We want Israel to Stop and Correct because we care about the Jewish people. We are currently seeing the consequences of the Jewish State's actions on the streets of many nations and it is ugly.

Things are nowhere near as simple as you project. No amount of punishment can beat the Ummah of Muhammad. All you can do is create a Martyr who will be avenged.
 
Spiritual Sight said:
Some of us are actually on-board with the "Never Again" motif. We want Israel to Stop and Correct because we care about the Jewish people. We are currently seeing the consequences of the Jewish State's actions on the streets of many nations and it is ugly.

Things are nowhere near as simple as you project. No amount of punishment can beat the Ummah of Muhammad. All you can do is create a Martyr who will be avenged.
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The Irsaeli's should wipe all Hamas right off the map. They are so boang.
 
Spiritual Sight said:
Edit: Deleted my post because I had you mixed up with someone else...

Response: That action was a response to assaults which had already been initiated by Israel. Israel has no right to commit war crimes nor to commit crimes against humanity.
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Just yes or no. Are they justified in firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel?

When I ask that question the general response is to try to flip the responsibility to Israel somehow. Like "Oh, so Israel is right to displace families in Gaza"?, but that avoids the question.

Do you support Palestinians shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel or not?
 
Spiritual Sight said:
Some of us are actually on-board with the "Never Again" motif. We want Israel to Stop and Correct because we care about the Jewish people. We are currently seeing the consequences of the Jewish State's actions on the streets of many nations and it is ugly.

Things are nowhere near as simple as you project. No amount of punishment can beat the Ummah of Muhammad. All you can do is create a Martyr who will be avenged.
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Well since it's ok to attack need everywhere for what Israel does it must be ok to attack muslims for what they do all throughout the middle east. Or are you arguing muslims can't help but attack jews when they see them? This is a confusing post
 
TryggeTryggvar said:
The situation is like this: Israel cant be beaten by the palestinians, military solution for them is impossible, and every time they try it leads to more palestinian casualties.
Israel wont go back to the old un accords, if they would the situation could already be finished.

What I wanted was for you to theorize something you thought the palestinians could agree to, when you look at the situation like it is. It wont solve anything in the big picture, i was jsut curious what you could see happening. In other words I was looking for your opinion on the subject, but all you do is come at me like im controling the israeli aggression and unfairness of the whole situation.

It seems me simply stating that israel is the powerfull party in this relationship sent you off the rails. And about the stupid stuff, dont take life here on sherdog seriously :D Just call me a retard right back and balance is restored.



The thing is the western world is full of powerfull jewish families and persons. The west will never stop supporting israel because of the religious angle and the money and power angle. The un is powerless in reality when it comes to israel, as its most powerfull members are ride and die for religious/power reasons.
And im not talking about some weird illuminati conspiracy.
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You are not answering my question.
Your definition of 'reality' is something Israel would say yes to.
This implies that you know what Israel would agree with since you know the 'reality'.
Tell me what this 'reality' is.
Don't duck the question. Paint this 'reality' to me so that I can answer your question.
What would Israel say yes to?
 
Bob Gray said:
Just yes or no. Are they justified in firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel?

When I ask that question the general response is to try to flip the responsibility to Israel somehow. Like "Oh, so Israel is right to displace families in Gaza"?, but that avoids the question.

Do you support Palestinians shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel or not?
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I'll answer that. No I don't support that.
Do you support the more than 50 years of state terrorism of Israel and killing thousands of innocent human beings, oppression, stealing their homes and commiting structural crimes against humanity?
 
Bob Gray said:
Just yes or no. Are they justified in firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel?

When I ask that question the general response is to try to flip the responsibility to Israel somehow. Like "Oh, so Israel is right to displace families in Gaza"?, but that avoids the question.

Do you support Palestinians shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel or not?
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The rockets of which you speak are fireworks grade explosives.

The people of Gaza have every right to use anything at their disposal to free themselves and their children of long practiced war crimes and crimes against humanity which Israel has been imposing upon them for an extended number of years with no end in sight. They can use fireworks if they have them.

Israel has no right to impose war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israel has no right to defend themselves from the consequences of their war crime and their crimes against humanity. Israel has the responsibility to stop and correct their war crimes and their crimes against humanity.
 
Spiritual Sight said:
The rockets of which you speak are fireworks grade explosives.

The people of Gaza have every right to use anything at their disposal to free themselves and their children of long practiced war crimes and crimes against humanity which Israel has been imposing upon them for an extended number of years with no end in sight. They can use fireworks if they have them.
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So is that a yes? You support Palestinians shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel?
 
Bob Gray said:
Just yes or no. Are they justified in firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel?

When I ask that question the general response is to try to flip the responsibility to Israel somehow. Like "Oh, so Israel is right to displace families in Gaza"?, but that avoids the question.

Do you support Palestinians shooting rockets indiscriminately into Israel or not?
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If a woman is walking through an ally and someone tries to rape her, does she have a right to scratch his eyes out in her attempt to break free? Does she have the right to mace him? Does she have the right to stab him if she has a knife readily available? Does she have the right to shoot him if she has a gun? Does the woman have the right to use anything at her disposal for the purpose of defending herself in that moment of trauma?

Now multiply that trauma by ten thousand. Would she have the right to use anything at her disposal now?
 
cincymma79 said:
Well since it's ok to attack need everywhere for what Israel does it must be ok to attack muslims for what they do all throughout the middle east. Or are you arguing muslims can't help but attack jews when they see them? This is a confusing post
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I think the activists who are using violence against Jews, worldwide, are wrong. I think they need to stop. Netanyahu claiming that his actions are representative of all Jewish People is not true. Innocent people are being hurt, worldwide, because of that stupid rhetoric. It is not okay to attack Jewish people for the crimes of the Zionist State.
 
TheWave111 said:
I'll answer that. No I don't support that.
Do you support the more than 50 years of state terrorism of Israel and killing thousands of innocent human beings, oppression, stealing their homes and commiting structural crimes against humanity?
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If you don't support it, then there shouldn't be any problem with Israel responding with their own offensive. Israel has better defenses, largely because they chose to purse it while Palestinians used the tens of millions in foreign aid to build tunnels to kidnap and murder Israeli citizens. That's not a reason to criticize their counter attack for being more effective.

I don't think your interpretation of Israel is accurate. When I ask if you support Palestine indiscriminately shooting rockets, it's undeniable that that's precisely what they're doing. The question you're asking is a deliberately loaded interpretation that's at best debatable and at worst a complete fabrication.

But I'd meet it halfway and say I think that's what you believe, but I'd say you're quite mistaken. Israel takes great effort to minimize civilian casualties while Palestinians welcome them and in fact take extra effort to ensure they happen as much as possible. This is only one if the reasons why these sort of direct comparisons aren't useful.
 
Bob Gray said:
That's bullshit and you know it.

But it's just a deflection attempt to avoid saying you support indiscrimate rocket fire into Israel. You wanna support it without actually saying it.
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It’s being caught up in the past. Like the 2008 Gaza conflict any rockets were little Qassam 1 rockets, which were a little bigger than what I can legally buy next month for the 4th. People remember that.

By now, Palestinians have the knowledge to construct much better rockets. Most are still small, but a good Chunk of them get quite large now and they have pretty good range
 
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