Elections 2016 Iowa Caucus Thread

[TheStruggle]

Clinton via coin toss doesn't sound shady

 

[drstrangelov]

Sanders supporters doing their best impression of 2012 Ron Paul supporters following his loss. Trump supporters handling the loss relatively well. Would have thought the opposite would be the case, given that Trumps loss defied recent polls, where Bernie's was universally expected.

 

[Falsedawn]

Sanders supporters doing their best impression of 2012 Ron Paul supporters following his loss. Trump supporters handling the loss relatively well. Would have thought the opposite would be the case, given that Trumps loss defied recent polls, where Bernie's was universally expected.

Come on son, it literally came down to coin tosses. Totally aside from the fact that it's a hilarious way to decide who wins, the fact that the loss was "universally expected" looks real dumb in hindsight when it was a dead heat. Talk about underestimating your opponent.

 

[drstrangelov]

Come on son, it literally came down to coin tosses. Totally aside from the fact that it's a hilarious way to decide who wins, the fact that the loss was "universally expected" looks real dumb in hindsight when it was a dead heat. Talk about underestimating your opponent.

Did the vote come down to a coin toss or did a few tied precincts come down to coin tosses? I haven't seen any real numbers on the impact of the tied precincts going her way, only vague insinuation that in so close a race this is important.

I'm with you that a coin toss comes across as ridiculous, as does really the entire Democratic Party caucus process. At the end of the day though, she got more votes, didn't she? Was there any injustice or do you want to see party technicalities play out in favor of your candidate?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

This really seems to agree with what I've noticed myself here and in other conversations with people from the US: Republican supporters believe everything is getting worse, and the country is falling apart.

It was interesting that the article mentions that few of those they spoke to held abortion or same sex marriage as key issues, and were more concerned with the general fear of a cultural shift that was leading to them being a persecuted minority, and how, above all else, they needed a strong leader to make it like it was.

Yeah, the cultural/racial aspect is huge. The economic part is important for the professional, wealthy Republicans, but for these other ones it's a battle to maintain white Christianity, jingoism, etc. Pretty much the same people that cried and screamed because about "losing their country" because a black guy got to be president.

It's pluralism vs exclusion. And we know what side is winning by the reaction of each.

 

[HeirApparent]

 

[UpaLoompa]

Yes, countries that adopt socialism have always prospered both socially and economically. That's why we need Bernie.

And Cruz? Look at what having a conservative in the White House does to the country..... the 1980s.

Who was the conservative in the White House? Reagan? He wasn't fiscally conservative in anyway, Reagan's stimulus spending to pull out of a recession was far more extreme than that available to Obama.

The only area Reagan was fiscally conservative was in regards to spending that would have benefited the poor and lower middle class, they were the benefits of his conservatism. So yes Reagan's policies were and are quite disastrous.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Who was the conservative in the White House? Reagan? He wasn't fiscally conservative in anyway, Reagan's stimulus spending to pull out of a recession was far more extreme than that available to Obama.

The only area Reagan was fiscally conservative was in regards to spending that would have benefited the poor and lower middle class, they were the benefits of his conservatism. So yes Reagan's policies were and are quite disastrous.

Lol, so revisionist history says Reagan was a socialist.

 

[Ruprecht]

Did the vote come down to a coin toss or did a few tied precincts come down to coin tosses? I haven't seen any real numbers on the impact of the tied precincts going her way, only vague insinuation that in so close a race this is important.

I'm with you that a coin toss comes across as ridiculous, as does really the entire Democratic Party caucus process. At the end of the day though, she got more votes, didn't she? Was there any injustice or do you want to see party technicalities play out in favor of your candidate?

I read that there was 6 coin tosses, that Hilary won them all and that if Sanders had won 3 he would have had the lead.

 

[Joe]

the trump rationalizing and ranting will be epic when he melts down.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Lol, so revisionist history says Reagan was a socialist.

No, actual history says he spent recklessly while slashing taxes leading to massive relative deficits while also slashing social spending.

 

[drstrangelov]

I read that there was 6 coin tosses, that Hilary won them all and that if Sanders had won 3 he would have had the lead.

I ready that she won 6 of 7 that were confirmed to have happened, but that the actual impact of that wasn't immediately clear.

 

[Ayin]

I ready that she won 6 of 7 that were confirmed to have happened, but that the actual impact of that wasn't immediately clear.

Where's ripskater to tell us this is proof of Jesus wanting Clinton to win?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

No, actual history says he spent recklessly while slashing taxes leading to massive relative deficits while also slashing social spending.

Revisionist history isn't taught as revisionist history, but as actual history.

'Social spending' is a very broad term in which most of the wasteful spending and corruption takes place. But apparently billions taxed to be wasted in the terms of 'social programs for the poor' is a modern revisionist term of progressives in academia.

And LOL at liberals that criticize a President based on overspending. Perhaps you should take a closer look at the GDP and interest rates of the Carter years and compare them to Reagan's.

And the Reagan years weren't perfect. You could come up with all of the flaws with his administration and compile them into a few paragraphs to make him seem like the worst President ever, while ignoring the pages of positives for the poor, middleclass, rich, other countries that benefitted from our economic boom, and our foreign policy enemies being marginalized.

So, go ahead, lets see those few sentences or paragraphs of how horrible Reagan was.

 

[UpaLoompa]

'Social spending' is a very broad term in which most of the wasteful spending and corruption takes place. But apparently billions taxed to be wasted in the terms of 'social programs for the poor' is a modern revisionist term of progressives in academia.

So, given the amount of spending on social programs not through SS or medicare, do you really think the waste and corruption begins to compare to the waste and corruption in military spending?

And yeah, fuck poor people, right.

 

[Prime Ang]

They were seriously doing coin tosses? I heard that was a joke lmao, god damn that's hilarious.

 

[UpaLoompa]

They were seriously doing coin tosses? I heard that was a joke lmao, god damn that's hilarious.

Caucuses are stupid.

 

[Prime Ang]

Caucuses are stupid.

Agreed.

 

[Diamond Jim]

Bernie can spin this however he wants, but it's a loss. He needed the win to build momentum not the delegates. The super delegates have already pledged for Clinton. He can't be happy just to stay even with her knowing he's gonna lose in the bigger states.

 

[UpaLoompa]

I suspect that, like the Republicans following 2012, the Democrats will switch to essentially a vote in the future.