Elections 2016 Iowa Caucus Thread

[GearSolidMetal]

So, given the amount of spending on social programs not through SS or medicare, do you really think the waste and corruption begins to compare to the waste and corruption in military spending?

And yeah, fuck poor people, right.

Ever care to research exactly what social programs were cut, the money that was saved, and the specific services those programs were supposed to provide for how many people?

After you research that, be sure to include a clever reply to the rest of my post you convieniently didn't include.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Bernie can spin this however he wants, but it's a loss. He needed the win to build momentum not the delegates. The super delegates have already pledged for Clinton. He can't be happy just to stay even with her knowing he's gonna lose in the bigger states.

When you're projected to get less than 40% and end up tying, that may not be a win for Sanders but it is certainly a loss for Clinton.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Ever care to research exactly what social programs were cut, the money that was saved, and the specific services those programs were supposed to provide for how many people?

After you research that, be sure to include a clever reply to the rest of my post you convieniently didn't include.

I have. My comments stand. As for the rest: Reagan wasn't the worst president ever but he doesn't deserve mention as a great or even particularly good president. It's also laughable to see people talk about impeaching Obama or any of that sort of thing, congress actually had grounds with Reagan.

 

[TheStruggle]

Bernie can spin this however he wants, but it's a loss. He needed the win to build momentum not the delegates. The super delegates have already pledged for Clinton. He can't be happy just to stay even with her knowing he's gonna lose in the bigger states.

Sanders making it this close in Iowa and winning NH could be the momentum he needs to make people think twice their Clinton vote

 

[theBLADE1]

All in all it was a good night for Sanders because he brought it to a tie in Iowa when nobody ever thought he would get that much. Now there are reports of stupid coin flips and voter fraud Polk County so it's hard for me or other Sanders supporters to feel too bad about this. He's favored to win in New Hampshire so if I was him and his campaign I would focus the majority of the efforts now on South Carolina and Nevada.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I have. My comments stand.

Go ahead, post them.

As for the rest: Reagan wasn't the worst president ever but he doesn't deserve mention as a great or even particularly good president.

Yeah, we got that you're saying Reagan was a bad president. You're just failing to articulate the arguement in a convincing manner.

It's also laughable to see people talk about impeaching Obama or any of that sort of thing, congress actually had grounds with Reagan.

There's always talk from the opposing party of impeaching the current president, since the first presidents. Try again.

 

[Corin7hian]

Yes, countries that adopt socialism have always prospered both socially and economically. That's why we need Bernie.

And Cruz? Look at what having a conservative in the White House does to the country..... the 1980s.

Seriously? Can you give me some examples?

 

[theBLADE1]

So apparently reports are coming in that Hillary Clinton had a very suspicious number of things go in her favor and she might not have actually won.

USA Today is reportingThe correct winner may not have been called
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ssing-iowa-precinct-sanders-clinton/79693834/

It's Iowa's nightmare scenario revisited: An extraordinarily close count in the Iowa caucuses— and reports of chaos in precincts — are raising questions about accuracy and the authenticity of the winner.

This time it's the Democrats, not the Republicans.

After voters from the final missing Democratic precinct tracked down state party officials Tuesday morning to report their results — Bernie Sanders won by two delegates over Hillary Clinton in Des Moines precinct No. 42.

The Des Moines register is reporting the same exact thing:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...cratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/

Votes from one precinct in Iowa were still missing Tuesday morning, and Democrats from that neighborhood scrambled to find party officials so that they could report their tally: Bernie Sanders won by 2 delegates over Hillary Clinton.

With Des Moines precinct No. 42's results, Clinton's excruciatingly close lead narrowed further, making the final tally for delegate equivalents in the Democratic Iowa caucuses:

Clinton: 699.57

Sanders: 697.77.

It quickly raised questions about whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa. Sanders backers called for Iowa Democratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals.

“It’s important considering how close the race is. We need to be sure everyone has our accurate count,” Jill Joseph, a rank-and-file Democratic voter who backed Sanders in at No. 42 Monday night, told The Des Moines Register.

And what would a news story about Hillary be without her doing something illegal.
http://justicegazette.org/iowa-ends-in-tie-clinton-caught-cheating.html

One of Clinton's paid out of state staffers was caught posing as a local Iowa precinct captain, something that might result in criminal charges. A video from Polk County reveals that Clinton's precinct captain there counted, as Clinton voters, people who were not even in the room. The Sanders supporters objected to including voters not in the room in the final count but the inclusion of the absent Clinton supporters was allowed to stand anyway. In Cedar County, where people say they voted for Sanders, no votes at all were counted for Sanders. This is reminiscent of the 2008 New Hampshire election, where Ron Paul voters in one county said they showed up in sizable numbers --only to have not a single one of their votes counted at all.

I know, I know I'm just dirty stupid conspiracy theorist.

 

[Arkain2K]

Seriously? Can you give me some examples?

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The People's Republic of China.

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.



Am I doing this right?

 

[ucunc156]

Well let's not act like every capitalist country is a bastion of equality and freedom...

 

[Lead]

Well let's not act like every capitalist country is a bastion of equality and freedom...

Our country is great not just because of capitalism but also the strength of our institutions and the use a democratic republic. If any of those three wavers, the country as a whole is likely to suffer.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I love how people try and pretend that scandanavian countries weren't just copying what we did here from the 40-70's.

 

[UpaLoompa]

I love how people try and pretend that scandanavian countries weren't just copying what we did here from the 40-70's.

Medicare and Social Security aren't "socialism" because reasons.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Question for those who think this isn't a win for senator sanders........can you offer another example of someone who started polling in a state 50% down in the polls, and tied, or what is likely to happen in New Hampshire, which was a 55% lead for Clinton, and it looking like New Hampshire as being a lock for Sanders now?

 

[Corin7hian]

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The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The People's Republic of China.

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.



Am I doing this right?

Well that doesn't sound good at all. We're these countries economic lower houses?

 

[VivaRevolution]

Dochter, what about medicare, SS, the highway infrastructure act, the electrical infrastructure act, and GI bill (giving free college away), as well as pro-labor policies......does that count as democratic socialism, or as I wish senator sanders would brand it as, in market socialism.

Edit: sorry, I missed the sarcasm.

 

[Quipling]

So apparently reports are coming in that Hillary Clinton had a very suspicious number of things go in her favor and she might not have actually won.

USA Today is reportingThe correct winner may not have been called
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ssing-iowa-precinct-sanders-clinton/79693834/



The Des Moines register is reporting the same exact thing:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...cratic-precinct-results-unaccounted/79682184/



And what would a news story about Hillary be without her doing something illegal.
http://justicegazette.org/iowa-ends-in-tie-clinton-caught-cheating.html



I know, I know I'm just dirty stupid conspiracy theorist.

The first two of your links merely state that Sanders may have had 2 more delegates than thought. This still leaves Clinton ahead by 2 delegates, for those of us who can do arithmetic. One of the links also suggests (without substantiation) that Sanders may have narrowly won the popular vote, but this is not relevant to the caucus process. Nor are they related to cheating.

The third link is an utter rag that makes an unsubstantiated claim of cheating, and might be one of the least credible looking websites I've ever seen linked on sherdog, and that's saying something. My video-gaming blog looks more professional than that. I use spellcheck, normal font, and source my claims, so I'm ahead on basically every count.

I'm sufficiently appalled that somebody would think that is worth linking that I urge people to take a look at "http://justicegazette.org/" so they can see how terrible the sources you're using are to make this claim. Yes, using a source like that does make you look like a crazy conspiracy theorist, the first two links notwithstanding.

 

[skombolis]

I know, I know I'm just dirty stupid conspiracy theorist.

I agree, it's not fair to call you dirty.

 

[skombolis]

So I was busy with shit for the last few days on shit that I wouldn't wish on anyone so when I took a few minutes break here or there it was just to fuck around on the MMA sites.

If anyone wouldn't mind kind of just telling me where we are at as far as what the general consensus is of who will win due to the Iowa results I'd be appreciative. Sounds like Hilary probably has it now as she should get N.H. and S.C. and keep rolling and it could be either Trump or Cruz? Also heard Hilary got very little of voters under 30. That could be a problem in the general although I'd still like her chances.

 

[theBLADE1]

The first two of your links merely state that Sanders may have had 2 more delegates than thought. This still leaves Clinton ahead by 2 delegates, for those of us who can do arithmetic. One of the links also suggests (without substantiation) that Sanders may have narrowly won the popular vote, but this is not relevant to the caucus process. Nor are they related to cheating.

The third link is an utter rag that makes an unsubstantiated claim of cheating, and might be one of the least credible looking websites I've ever seen linked on sherdog, and that's saying something. My video-gaming blog looks more professional than that. I use spellcheck, normal font, and source my claims, so I'm ahead on basically every count.

I'm sufficiently appalled that somebody would think that is worth linking that I urge people to take a look at "http://justicegazette.org/" so they can see how terrible the sources you're using are to make this claim. Yes, using a source like that does make you look like a crazy conspiracy theorist, the first two links notwithstanding.

http://igrewupinusa.info/clinton-caucus-caught-on-camera-committing-voter-fraud-in-iowa/

Is that one good enough for you sir? I can find 1 million more if it doesn't live up to your incredibly high authoritarian standards. Includes a C-SPAN video