Elections 2016 GOP/Democratic March 15th Primaries

[andnowweknow]

I guess you're going to have to flesh it out for me. Most of the large states that have had their primaries so far are in the South so the leader would always have been strong in the South. You can't be winning in states that haven't had their elections yet. What am I missing here?

You're missing what "the South" means as it pertains to their voters. These are people who when polled find Hillary more trustworthy than Bernie and Trump more presidential than Kasich.

 

[sickc0d3r]

I think a lot of Democrats, especially the Democratic establishment are seriously and heavily underestimating the strength of Trump's candidacy and his potential against Hillary.

Once Trump switches gears from dog whistle politics set up by the Republican Southern Strategy to hammering the loss of jobs, stagnation of prosperity, economics, trade policy, etc (which are the issues that Sanders is doing a good job of putting up a decent enough fight against Hillary), you're going to see a very close race. Hillary's basic stance is that everything is fine when at a deep level, a lot of Americans don't think everything is fine.

The more I think about it, the more I like Trump's chances. That's if the Republicans don't split the party.

The GE will be much harder to predict with Trump in it because of the crossover votes, but I still think the odds would be stacked heavily against a guy with very low approval from blacks, latino's, and women.

 

[ThinkGreen]

Practically, yes.

He has smaller chance of winning the nomination than Kasich.

How does he have a smaller chance than Kasich? Kasich won Ohio, which is big, but he won't win another state. Sanders will. And (some of) the superdelegates in theory could go to him. I do agree it's over for Sanders though.

 

[ucunc156]

I'm really disappointed in ohio democratic results. Colleges everywhere. The counties bernie won were OU, akron, bowling green, denison, and a couple other smaller college areas. But didn't get nearly enough out of OSU or my alma mater, cincinnati. He also got smoked in the cleveland area, which is much more democrat than republican, though its heavily populated with blacks, so maybe michigan was a mirage and sanders still can't get headway with the black community.

 

[ShadowRun]

When will we find out about Missouri?

 

[Fawlty]

When will we find out about Missouri?

Don't expect it for at least a few days. We have a lot of close districts and absentee ballots will be counted probably through Friday.

 

[Fawlty]

I understand what you are saying and not denying his rhetoric is helpful. I don't think its a toxic as you think, I never said once I would vote for Trump so don't assume. I have defended Obama in the WR does that make me a Obama fan? But your overkill simplification summary about him is absurd you left out racist white supremacist. You sound like a MSNBC reporter, which I think you are better than that. There is plenty of real substance to bash Trump on. I just got off a 14 hour shift it's 830 am here so if I'm rambling and not making much sense I apologize.

Sorry if I was accusing you of being a Trump supporter. I was in a mood last night and maybe not being totally reasonable. Trump is a series of alarm bells and red flags to me. I think what you were trying to get at is that a president can only do so much to change policy, and I unfairly polarized your position there. I hold that he's well over any reasonable line where we should be cutting him out of politics, and with disdain. The reasons for that are what I listed, but I stopped way short of listing them all. He has too many bad behaviors and is too unpredictable, and his arrogance is a serious issue that people should consider.

 

[Lead]

Sorry if I was accusing you of being a Trump supporter. I was in a mood last night and maybe not being totally reasonable. Trump is a series of alarm bells and red flags to me. I think what you were trying to get at is that a president can only do so much to change policy, and I unfairly polarized your position there. I hold that he's well over any reasonable line where we should be cutting him out of politics, and with disdain. The reasons for that are what I listed, but I stopped way short of listing them all. He has too many bad behaviors and is too unpredictable, and his arrogance is a serious issue that people should consider.

Last night definitely was a rustling night. A lot of big things just dropped immediately and people had to cope with it. Definitely not a good night if you were pro Bernie or anti Trump

 

[panamaican]

You're missing what "the South" means as it pertains to their voters. These are people who when polled find Hillary more trustworthy than Bernie and Trump more presidential than Kasich.

It means Southerners. I've driven through the South from D.C. to Florida and from Georgia straight across through Texas. Culturally, they're different from the N.E. and the West Coast.

Is that what you mean? That they don't intrinsically trust someone from Vermont over someone with ties to another Southern state - Arkansas?

 

[ShadowRun]

Why couldn't Jim Webb make it further, damn it !

 

[Sycho Sid]

I got the email from the Bernie Sanders campaign today. He is not dropping out.

Last night we beat all the polls in almost every state. We earned a significant number of delegates, and are on track for the nomination. Here's why:

What you will not hear from the political and media establishment is that, based on the primary and caucus schedule for the rest of the race, this is the high water mark for the Clinton campaign. Starting today, the map now shifts dramatically in our favor.

Arizona, Idaho, and Utah are up next Tuesday. Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington State caucus the Saturday after. Then it's Wisconsin's turn to vote.

That means we have an extremely good chance to win nearly every state that votes in the next month. If we continue to stand together, we’re just getting started for our political revolution:

Make a $3 contribution to our campaign and we can win this Democratic primary, the White House, and take our country back from the billionaire class.

No one said a political revolution would be easy. We are up against a billionaire class and super PACs that are determined to see us lose.

The fact remains that Hillary Clinton’s lead will never be as large as it is right now. From here on out we keep chipping away until we take the lead. But that can only happen if we keep fighting, and that’s why your $3 contribution to our campaign is so important.

The whole country will be watching to see how we respond in this moment. Let’s send a message that millions of Americans are just as ready to fight for an economy that works for everyone as we were when this campaign started 10 months ago.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

This is pretty sad honestly.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

I'm so fucking disheartened right now. Fuck.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

I got the email from the Bernie Sanders campaign today. He is not dropping out.



This is pretty sad honestly.

Bernie can still win man. He just strategically ceded the south and is now mounting his comeback. Bernie will dominate the Pacific Northwest, the west coast and the midwest. Then he will mount comeback in the north east.

 

[NelmarksGhost]

I'm so fucking disheartened right now. Fuck.

Hang in there man.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I was talking about the definition of chickenhawk vs warhawk , so don't comment unless you aren't following along. A no fly zone that Hilary wants is different than Obama.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of chickenhawk. Maybe you meant the difference between warhawk and dove.

And yeah, Hillary's no-fly zone is more belligerent than Obama's policy. That's probably the peak of her hawkishness, however. This is hardly the same as what Cruz and Trump advocate.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

How does he have a smaller chance than Kasich? Kasich won Ohio, which is big, but he won't win another state. Sanders will. And (some of) the superdelegates in theory could go to him. I do agree it's over for Sanders though.

You just backed up my post.

Kasich would have to scheme at the convention to steal the nomination.

Sanders would have to scheme to sway the Superdelegates.

 

[ThinkGreen]

You just backed up my post.

Kasich would have to scheme at the convention to steal the nomination.

Sanders would have to scheme to sway the Superdelegates.

Well that doesn't "back up" your post at all. Are you saying it's more likely that Kasich steals the nomination at the convention than Sanders swaying the superdelegates? Don't you also think Bernie will win more states?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Well that doesn't "back up" your post at all. Are you saying it's more likely that Kasich steals the nomination at the convention than Sanders swaying the superdelegates? Don't you also think Bernie will win more states?

I'll outright say it. 0% chance either will be a nominee.

 

[ThinkGreen]

I'll outright say it. 0% chance either will be a nominee.

Well I can agree with that more than your original post ^_^

 

[method115]

I think a lot of Democrats, especially the Democratic establishment are seriously and heavily underestimating the strength of Trump's candidacy and his potential against Hillary.

Once Trump switches gears from dog whistle politics set up by the Republican Southern Strategy to hammering the loss of jobs, stagnation of prosperity, economics, trade policy, etc (which are the issues that Sanders is doing a good job of putting up a decent enough fight against Hillary), you're going to see a very close race. Hillary's basic stance is that everything is fine when at a deep level, a lot of Americans don't think everything is fine.

The more I think about it, the more I like Trump's chances. That's if the Republicans don't split the party.

I've been telling people Trump will be president. Half joking half serious. Sometimes I just like to see their reaction. I think it's very possible though and I'll laugh if it happens.