Elections 2016 GOP/Democratic March 15th Primaries

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

I wouldnt be surprised if there was fraud. Those machines are easy as zhit to hack and break into.

 

[in the]

Hmmmm, I heard it the other way. They were voting in the primary to keep Trump out.

The whole thing sounds like manufactured media propaganda to be honest.

The hacks on the right uber hurt by the Trump ascension (because he isn't an insider and can't be controlled) are trying to spin every Trump victory as having something to do with registered Democrats voting in the Republican primary to get Trump the nomination and thus make it easier for Hillary to win in November.

It's retarded logic and no one has called them out on it. Like Hillary or Bernie supporters, in a very heated contest, would give up the chance to support their candidate to survive the primaries just to stick it to the Republicans. This is coming from established figures like Karl Rove (IIRC) and others.

They just can't admit that they don't control all their voters and the Republicans are tired of their sorry asses. They don't want to believe that Trump actually has crossover appeal because then that might make him electable. For God's sake, they're coming to the conclusion that they're going to have to rally behind Ted Fucking Cruz just to stop Trump, someone they hate and haven't liked for many years.

Many jobs have been lost by outsourcing. It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or a Republican, the outsourcing of jobs has major detrimental affects at personal, family, local, and even broader levels. Trump is appealing because he's talking about jobs. He isn't spouting the typical trickle down bullshit economics that the Republicans have been spouting for decades, which appeals to sane Republicans and Democrats alike. He's doing this because he's not in bed with special interests.

Everyone thought Bernie would be the "revolution" of this election cycle, but it's looking more and more like it'll be Trump. If he can win and destroy all the retards in the Republican party fixated on neoliberal voodoo economics, then bring it on.

 

[in the]

I wouldnt be surprised if there was fraud. Those machines are easy as zhit to hack and break into.

I missed all the fun. Has there been any serious allegations of this? I remember Sanders supporters being pissed off that they were having a hard time getting in to vote because Bill was having some sort of rally blocking the parking lot at a precinct.

The Clintons are pretty damn shady.

 

[Sycho Sid]

I missed all the fun. Has there been any serious allegations of this? I remember Sanders supporters being pissed off that they were having a hard time getting in to vote because Bill was having some sort of rally blocking the parking lot at a precinct.

The Clintons are pretty damn shady.

No there isn't. Clinton beat her polling average by 4%, and Hendorua lost his shit.

 

[in the]

No there isn't. Clinton beat her polling average by 4%, and Hendorua lost his shit.

Who am I to cast the first stone. I almost gave up on life when Mary Carey lost.

 

[Lead]

You keep saying Michigan was the exception, when Illinois, and Missouri went the same way.

Ohio is the outlier.

Uh no, the polling showed Michigan was an exception (and technically not even that when you consider a 1 in 100 chance occurs 1 in 100 times and that proved to occur)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ida_democratic_presidential_primary-3556.html
Florida
Final Average 60.7 to 31.8 Hillary
Final Result 64.5 to 33.3 Hillary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...hio_democratic_presidential_primary-5313.html
Final Average 51 to 43 Hillary
Final Results 56.5 to 42.7 Hillary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ois_democratic_presidential_primary-5567.html
Final Average 48.3 to 46.0 Hillary
Final Result 50.5 to 48.7 Hillary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...uri_democratic_presidential_primary-5606.html
Last poll 47-46 Sanders (This state had little data to go off of)
Final Result 49.6-49.3 Hillary

Sooo all of these are within about 5 points. Michigan was off 20 points. You are trying to complain that one state's upset didn't occur across the nation when that isn't how it works.

This is also why I get annoyed when there is a big swing and people jump all over it all pollsters being wrong. They ignore like 20 races that are called within a five point range and then point to one off that hasn't been that far off since 1984 and act like it discredits all polling. Michigan still hasn't been explained and it does occur once in a long period of time.

 

[in the]

@HendoRuaGOAT

 

[VivaRevolution]

Uh no, the polling showed Michigan was an exception (and technically not even that when you consider a 1 in 100 chance occurs 1 in 100 times and that proved to occur)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ida_democratic_presidential_primary-3556.html
Florida
Final Average 60.7 to 31.8 Hillary
Final Result 64.5 to 33.3 Hillary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...hio_democratic_presidential_primary-5313.html
Final Average 51 to 43 Hillary
Final Results 56.5 to 42.7 Hillary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ois_democratic_presidential_primary-5567.html
Final Average 48.3 to 46.0 Hillary
Final Result 50.5 to 48.7 Hillary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...uri_democratic_presidential_primary-5606.html
Last poll 47-46 Sanders (This state had little data to go off of)
Final Result 49.6-49.3 Hillary

Sooo all of these are within about 5 points. Michigan was off 20 points. You are trying to complain that one state's upset didn't occur across the nation when that isn't how it works.

This is also why I get annoyed when there is a big swing and people jump all over it all pollsters being wrong. They ignore like 20 races that are called within a five point range and then point to one off that hasn't been that far off since 1984 and act like it discredits all polling. Michigan still hasn't been explained and it does occur once in a long period of time.

Two different conversations here. You are arguing the 20 point surge is the outlier. Ok, fair enough.

I am arguing the result of a rust belt state not going 50-50 being the outlier.

 

[Lead]

Two different conversations here. You are arguing the 20 point surge is the outlier. Ok, fair enough.

I am arguing the result of a rust belt state not going 50-50 being the outlier.

Then what is your point because Ohio was way less off 50-50 then Michigan and the polls showed it would be fairly close to that. Michigan was 20 points off the polling and not even close to in line with the rust belt but you are complaining about Ohio instead. 56-42 is not a crazy result you're making it out to be or even an outlier with what it's polling was showing. I don't even think you define a state that was close to it's polling but not exact with neighboring states "outlier" because it did in fact match with it's specific polling. Yes, the states can have similar issues but they aren't the same and to expect an exact 50-50 split with all three states doesn't make sense.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Then what is your point because Ohio was way less off 50-50 then Michigan and the polls showed it would be fairly close to that. Michigan was 20 points off the polling and not even close to in line with the rust belt but you are complaining about Ohio instead. 56-42 is not a crazy result you're making it out to be or even an outlier with what it's polling was showing. I don't even think you define a state that was close to it's polling but not exact with neighboring states "outlier" because it did in fact match with it's specific polling. Yes, the states can have similar issues but they aren't the same and to expect an exact 50-50 split with all three states doesn't make sense.

Yeah, and by itself....fine. Now explain away the 17% swing to Bernie with all counties reporting without using plausible deniability again as a explanation, and I will be happy.

Also the reporting less than 1% for over an hour after first reporting results.

BTW, Michigan went 52-48 last I saw.

 

[Doughbelly]

If you are a Sanders supporter and Hillary wins the Democratic primary, here is why you should vote for Trump and not Hillary Clinton.

Let's start with the broad strokes. The establishment Neocons and Wall Street wing of the Republican party would rather have Republicans vote for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. These are the same people that lead the United States and indeed the world into the last two massive national and global disasters - the Iraq War and the Financial Crisis of 2009. This is one of those clear indications that more than a Democratic establishment or Republican establishment, there is a Washington DC establishment.

These are the same people that absolutely hate Bernie Sanders. At his core, Bernie Sanders stands against the pernicious influence of free trade, related issues of immigration, of corporatist owned DC establishment, of military adventurism. Like Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump is for the expansion of Social Security and Medicaid. In fact, Donald Trump has favored national single payer, much like Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump, like Bernie Sanders, prioritizes the improvement of the national infrastructure - using American labor - over wars like the Iraq War, a war that Hillary Clinton supported and one that has left the Middle East in shambles and much worse shape than when started. The terrorists now run their own country in what used to be Iraq.

Obviously, there are differences, but In pretty much every way that matters, Donald Trump is more similar to Bernie Sanders than Hillary Clinton.

Why shouldn't you vote for Donald Trump? Because he makes figurative speeches about a wall on the Mexican border, wall the he's going to make the Mexicans pay for? No one in his right mind thinks he's talking about the Mexicans pay for an actual, physical two thousand mile wall, one which got a few feet higher after ex Mexican Presidente Vicente Fox weighed in. But people understand that we should make illegal immigration harder. No one actually believes that Muslims will be banned from entering the country. That's just unconstitutional. But you understand the sentiment of making things harder - the Europeans are seeing what happens when you allow not just radical Islam, but large groups of conservative Muslims who don't share Western values to metastasize.

 

[Doughbelly]

I've been telling people Trump will be president. Half joking half serious. Sometimes I just like to see their reaction. I think it's very possible though and I'll laugh if it happens.

Oh, definitely.

I think Democrats are dancing their little jigs of schadenfreude joy over Donald Trump tearing the Republican party apart without realizing just how incredibly weak of a candidate that Hillary Clinton is against Trump.

Hillary Clinton is inherently unlikeable and untrustworthy. If Hillary Clinton told me that the Sun rises in the east, I'd have to go check for myself. She's running a surprisingly weak campaign for the nomination. Bernie Sanders wasn't supposed to be able to garner 40-45% of popular Democrat primary vote. Bernie Sanders isn't that far behind in terms of actual pledged delegates. Bernie Sanders is running against Hillary Clinton saying pretty much the same things Donald Trump is saying, only with less resources and less national media attention. He's also doing without the black and Hispanic vote, which are again, the votes that Donald Trump doesn't get anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a President Trump come this November. The Republicans and the Democrats are really fucking up - I see the Democratic error as even more serious than the Republicans. At least the Republicans got blind sided. The Democrats are watching this happen and think that it can't happen to them.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Oh, definitely.

I think Democrats are dancing their little jigs of schadenfreude joy over Donald Trump tearing the Republican party apart without realizing just how incredibly weak of a candidate that Hillary Clinton is against Trump.

Hillary Clinton is inherently unlikeable and untrustworthy. If Hillary Clinton told me that the Sun rises in the east, I'd have to go check for myself. She's running a surprisingly weak campaign for the nomination. Bernie Sanders wasn't supposed to be able to garner 40-45% of popular Democrat primary vote. Bernie Sanders isn't that far behind in terms of actual pledged delegates. Bernie Sanders is running against Hillary Clinton saying pretty much the same things Donald Trump is saying, only with less resources and less national media attention. He's also doing without the black and Hispanic vote, which are again, the votes that Donald Trump doesn't get anyway.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a President Trump come this November. The Republicans and the Democrats are really fucking up - I see the Democratic error as even more serious than the Republicans. At least the Republicans got blind sided. The Democrats are watching this happen and think that it can't happen to them.

If you are a Sanders supporter and Hillary wins the Democratic primary, here is why you should vote for Trump and not Hillary Clinton.

Let's start with the broad strokes. The establishment Neocons and Wall Street wing of the Republican party would rather have Republicans vote for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. These are the same people that lead the United States and indeed the world into the last two massive national and global disasters - the Iraq War and the Financial Crisis of 2009. This is one of those clear indications that more than a Democratic establishment or Republican establishment, there is a Washington DC establishment.

These are the same people that absolutely hate Bernie Sanders. At his core, Bernie Sanders stands against the pernicious influence of free trade, related issues of immigration, of corporatist owned DC establishment, of military adventurism. Like Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump is for the expansion of Social Security and Medicaid. In fact, Donald Trump has favored national single payer, much like Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump, like Bernie Sanders, prioritizes the improvement of the national infrastructure - using American labor - over wars like the Iraq War, a war that Hillary Clinton supported and one that has left the Middle East in shambles and much worse shape than when started. The terrorists now run their own country in what used to be Iraq.

Obviously, there are differences, but In pretty much every way that matters, Donald Trump is more similar to Bernie Sanders than Hillary Clinton.

Why shouldn't you vote for Donald Trump? Because he makes figurative speeches about a wall on the Mexican border, wall the he's going to make the Mexicans pay for? No one in his right mind thinks he's talking about the Mexicans pay for an actual, physical two thousand mile wall, one which got a few feet higher after ex Mexican Presidente Vicente Fox weighed in. But people understand that we should make illegal immigration harder. No one actually believes that Muslims will be banned from entering the country. That's just unconstitutional. But you understand the sentiment of making things harder - the Europeans are seeing what happens when you allow not just radical Islam, but large groups of conservative Muslims who don't share Western values to metastasize.

 

[Lead]

Yeah, and by itself....fine. Now explain away the 17% swing to Bernie with all counties reporting without using plausible deniability again as a explanation, and I will be happy.

Also the reporting less than 1% for over an hour after first reporting results.

BTW, Michigan went 52-48 last I saw.

Clarify what you asking in this post. Are you talking only about MI in this one?

 

[Octavian]

I think there was clear fraud in Michigan... the wealth of evidence proves it. Every poll has nailed or undershot Hillary's support, save Illinois and Missouri. Michigan is the great outlier and it stinks to high heaven!

 

[Jack V Savage]

Look, you supported the candidate of killing innocent people in 2012 and the candidate most dedicated to the same policy this time. Policy and its effects on real people's lives don't matter to the you at all. It's all about the establishment candidate that is chosen by the DNC. You must be a sociopath.

Or I just don't buy your absurd characterization of Romney and Obama's foreign policy (or--lol--Clinton and Trump/Cruz's). On the other hand, Paul actually was the most extreme proponent of top-down class warfare running in 2012. So your trolling misses again.

 

[ucunc156]

I will reiterate: His policies within the US and the economy/healthcare do not scare me about donald trump. His rhetoric and endorsement of racism and nativism do. His fans that follow him do. I always wondered growing up if hitler truly hated the jews, or if he just used them as his avenue to power. I always wondered how a significant portion of Germany would be evil enough to enforce Hitler's orders. Trump touches on both of those. Look how easy we are willing to dismiss his wall building and islam banning and torture, when it comes right from his mouth. I'm sure thats what people did with Hitler too. "Oh he's just scapegoating these people to gain power, nothing bad will actually happen". And then when I see the things people do and say at Trump rallies and the like, I can see how he could gain the support to enforce this he does.

That being said, I don't think Trump is the next coming of hitler, but the similarities are there, and the fact that he endorses what he does, makes him a no fly candidate regardless of his economic or healthcare message.

 

[Ruprecht]

If you are a Sanders supporter and Hillary wins the Democratic primary, here is why you should vote for Trump and not Hillary Clinton.

Let's start with the broad strokes. The establishment Neocons and Wall Street wing of the Republican party would rather have Republicans vote for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. These are the same people that lead the United States and indeed the world into the last two massive national and global disasters - the Iraq War and the Financial Crisis of 2009. This is one of those clear indications that more than a Democratic establishment or Republican establishment, there is a Washington DC establishment.

These are the same people that absolutely hate Bernie Sanders. At his core, Bernie Sanders stands against the pernicious influence of free trade, related issues of immigration, of corporatist owned DC establishment, of military adventurism. Like Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump is for the expansion of Social Security and Medicaid. In fact, Donald Trump has favored national single payer, much like Bernie Sanders. Donald Trump, like Bernie Sanders, prioritizes the improvement of the national infrastructure - using American labor - over wars like the Iraq War, a war that Hillary Clinton supported and one that has left the Middle East in shambles and much worse shape than when started. The terrorists now run their own country in what used to be Iraq.

Obviously, there are differences, but In pretty much every way that matters, Donald Trump is more similar to Bernie Sanders than Hillary Clinton.

Why shouldn't you vote for Donald Trump? Because he makes figurative speeches about a wall on the Mexican border, wall the he's going to make the Mexicans pay for? No one in his right mind thinks he's talking about the Mexicans pay for an actual, physical two thousand mile wall, one which got a few feet higher after ex Mexican Presidente Vicente Fox weighed in. But people understand that we should make illegal immigration harder. No one actually believes that Muslims will be banned from entering the country. That's just unconstitutional. But you understand the sentiment of making things harder - the Europeans are seeing what happens when you allow not just radical Islam, but large groups of conservative Muslims who don't share Western values to metastasize.

You know Bernie would disagree with you though, right?

 

[Jack V Savage]

You know Bernie would disagree with you though, right?

It seems like a lot of people see voting as being like joining someone's fan club, rather than a means to get policy you like. Bernie definitely doesn't see it that way, and he'll be supporting Clinton in the general.

 

[ucunc156]

Also in addition to what I said above, the issue many bernie fans have with hillary is not knowing what to believe. Yet by doughbelly's explanation, we are supposed to decipher he's not legit on immigration/islam, but is legit on trade (despite the fact he admits he abuses these rules within his own company)? Yeah, okay.