2016 GOP Convention Thread V2

[in the]

For me Ivankas speech surprised me more. If you closed your eyes you would say she was democrat. I like her honesty of not being a republican or democrat. She's just a rich chick who has been thrown to politics because of her dad

The fact that Donald Trump isn't some hardcore Republican is right down my alley.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

A ban immigrants from countries with terrorist ties is anti islam. He's not talking war torn African countries, he's not talking the ira, hes not talking communist guerrillas in south America. Hes talking specifically any muslim from the middle east, the vast majority of whom are good.

For blacks it's the refusal to even acknowledge cops might be at fault in these shootings. It's an insult to a race that feels that they are being oppressed, to just tell them no your not, buck up. And then go further to rightly condemn cop killers but not the cops who act out of turn. "I'll be a law and order president". Just so we are clear, less cops have died in the line of duty in the obama era in comparison to any president dating back to reagan.

And for hispanics, again he made it seem like every illegal here is a fucking rapist murderer. He didnt say anything positive about hispanics in general. The language he used ties hispanic to murderer. If I talk about nba centers who cant can't shoot free throws and go on about how it's the plight of the nba and makes games unwatchable (which it does sometimes), and dont follow it up with anything positive about basketball, your going to leave with the idea that watching the nba fucking sucks.

It's sad how far the left have made themselves into victims that supporting the police a couple of weeks after they were targeted for mass murder by anti-cop terrorists in two separate events is seen as racism instead of supporting stability and the rule of law in our country. Truly sad. The power of the word "racism" continues to weaken by the day.

 

[in the]

Trump has always and still is benefiting from globalism. For for fuck sake he was pushing it in his trump u memos

You will notice, in that EXACT post you quoted, that Trump's opinion of NAFTA has been the same since 1993.

You can't fault him for working in a system he was against. He wouldn't have businesses if he did.

The level of denialism. Good lord.

 

[in the]

The Prince dudes reply was better. Along the lines he bailed out Trump twice financially.

That's nowhere near the level of telling a Prince, in line to the throne of one of the most powerful kingdoms left in the world, that he's not going to be able to keep buying off the American political system. It's not even close. Might be a good comeback but not in the same universe.

 

[in the]

Hillary announcing her VP tomorrow.

 

['Rocky']

How would you rate the days for Trump so far? I have it

2
1
3

2, 3, 1.

23 is number 1. Do you think I'm a traitor?

 

[in the]

Being anti-globalism, i.e. the recognition that the world is "smaller" and more interconnected so more cooperation is necessary, is like being right on evolution or climate change. It's just head in the sand stupidity. The world is global, its not a political stance, it is a reality.

Trying protect the American workforce through trade deals is laughable as well, at least how you mean it. Manufacturing is never coming back. At least not the way it was. We will be harming ourselves to attempt to enforce it unaturally.

Head in the sand stupid is building a vast sum of wealth through a particular economic model and then allowing an outsourcing of that wealth under some naive belief that "this is just how the world is." News flash - we had world trade BEFORE all these free trade agreements. Plus the defeatist attitude about American labor is even worse than Luddite - it's cuckish. It's this type of attitude that keeps harming our manufacturing base and society as a whole. We need those jobs. Wages have stagnated while inflation has continue to grow, and that's directly correlated with offshoring of jobs. Saying "nothing can change" is a bullshit defeatist attitude and it's not true. We might not recover to the point where we were before but we can do better than what we're doing now, but only if we drop that defeatist, "this is just the way the world works now" attitude (which was what Reaganites said in the 80s).

Again, the fact that I'm even arguing something like this with someone on the left is simply astonishing. I know there's a particular class on the left (like Larry Summers) who advocated for a global view of the economy that moved the backbone of finance from main street and to Wall Street, but the fact that the idea has matriculated downward so quickly is astonishing.

 

['Rocky']

Hillary Clinton is a nutbag. It's one thing to be a liberal and to be disappointed with your candidate, but how so many democrats are rallying around this obvious criminal and repulsive human being is incredible. She is a wacko, and so are the misinformed dinguses who are voting for her. I want what they're smoking.

 

[44nutman]

That's nowhere near the level of telling a Prince, in line to the throne of one of the most powerful kingdoms left in the world, that he's not going to be able to keep buying off the American political system. It's not even close. Might be a good comeback but not in the same universe.

The Prince already owns Trump. That why Trump tweet is more bullshit than some sick burn. Trumpeteers never let facts get in the way of anything Trump says.
What a shitty election. It is like having to choose between AIDS or AIDS.

 

[COTUR1@43]

Why are so many saying this speech was dark?

What exactly was dark about it?

The true state of America is dark after the last 7 1/2 years under Obama. Trump pointing it out rustles the left/progressives jimmies.

 

[in the]

It's sad how far the left have made themselves into victims that supporting the police a couple of weeks after they were targeted for mass murder by anti-cop terrorists in two separate events is seen as racism instead of supporting stability and the rule of law in our country. Truly sad. The power of the word "racism" continues to weaken by the day.

I think there's a problem when the issue is that there isn't enough pandering to a certain demographic's identity politics.

 

[Joe]

You will notice, in that EXACT post you quoted, that Trump's opinion of NAFTA has been the same since 1993.

You can't fault him for working in a system he was against. He wouldn't have businesses if he did.

The level of denialism. Good lord.

Nonsense. Weve had a rise in manufacturing for awhile now. To the point where companies came back.

 

[vertical_leap]

The party that kicked out male delegates because they weren't "diverse" enough don't care about diversity of political opinion once they get a hegemony on media outlets.

Jesus christ.

 

[in the]

The Prince already owns Trump. That why Trump tweet is more bullshit than some sick burn. Trumpeteers never let facts get in the way of anything Trump says.
What a shitty election. It is like having to choose between AIDS or AIDS.

>Prince of one of the few kingdoms left on work fires shots at a businessman
>Businessman sends those shots back and makes sure to completely burn the bridge

One of those men are way more powerful than the other, and Trump's burn was much hotter than the Prince talking about buying a yacht off of Trump decades ago (IMO - this is all subjective). And I can make that point without retarded slogans like "Trumpeteers."

 

[in the]

Nonsense. Weve had a rise in manufacturing for awhile now. To the point where companies came back.

LOL

What the fuck are you guys smoking/snorting?

 

[in the]

Admittedly, it's a big thing to expect, but if Trump can tone down the retarded stuff until the election, he's running against a candidate who inspires no one. The polls in battleground states have been trending in his direction for awhile now. He needs to keep on point.

 

[vertical_leap]

Admittedly, it's a big thing to expect, but if Trump can tone down the retarded stuff until the election, he's running against a candidate who inspires no one. The polls in battleground states have been trending in his direction for awhile now. He needs to keep on point.

I think the only issue with his speech is he should have hit on economic anxiety and unemployment more, because that is most peoples main issue in this race, and conveniently he is head and shoulders above Hillary in this category.

 

[Joe]

LOL

What the fuck are you guys smoking/snorting?

i was actually reading about this a few weeks ago. it says manufacturing jobs have been rising for five years after a decade long slump. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-adviser-says-more-training-needed-to-advance-us-manufacturing-2016-07-07

 

[Hans Gruber]

people who can't see how that speech was fear mongering and offensive to hispanics, blacks, and muslims... well I don't even know what to tell you guys, and even if I did, its not like it would matter.

Van Jones once again said exactly what I was thinking. I came into tonight open minded, I really did. I was on a high from Theil and Ivanka. And then Trump reminded me he's trump and untenable.

BS. You are the exaggerator that said DT Jr made an "Epic mistake" in his speech the other night for stumbling on words for a split second before immediately correcting himself

 

[ncordless]

Head in the sand stupid is building a vast sum of wealth through a particular economic model and then allowing an outsourcing of that wealth under some naive belief that "this is just how the world is." News flash - we had world trade BEFORE all these free trade agreements. Plus the defeatist attitude about American labor is even worse than Luddite - it's cuckish. It's this type of attitude that keeps harming our manufacturing base and society as a whole. We need those jobs. Wages have stagnated while inflation has continue to grow, and that's directly correlated with offshoring of jobs. Saying "nothing can change" is a bullshit defeatist attitude and it's not true. We might not recover to the point where we were before but we can do better than what we're doing now, but only if we drop that defeatist, "this is just the way the world works now" attitude (which was what Reaganites said in the 80s).

Again, the fact that I'm even arguing something like this with someone on the left is simply astonishing. I know there's a particular class on the left (like Larry Summers) who advocated for a global view of the economy that moved the backbone of finance from main street and to Wall Street, but the fact that the idea has matriculated downward so quickly is astonishing.

I am not so far down as you might think. And using the word "cuckish" when not used ironically makes you seem like an idiot.

That's beside the point though. Those jobs are not coming back. Even if we could somehow make low end manufacturing competitive, automation is a reality. We will always have manufacturing, but there won't be nearly as many jobs in it because it will require less workers, and those workers it does require will be higher-skilled. Instead, we have to grow new jobs. Jobs in areas that make sense for Americans to work in. And the old manufacturing jobs are not it.

You say "recover" which is kind of funny. We, as a nation, are much further ahead then we were when we relied on a manufacturing economy. But at the same time, wages for most people have been very stagnant. And that's because the worker faces more competition in the global economy. Short of time travel or cataclysmic event, everything from here on out will have to make sense in a global economy. If we want better-paying jobs, the answer is to do work that other countries cannot compete with. An american worker trying to compete with an emerging market worker for a job the emerging market worker can do well is destined to see his wages stagnate and fall. It's only through skilled work that we will see rising incomes.

And it's not a defeatist attitude. America is great, and will continue to be great as long as we don't do stupid shit like pretend we can use mercantilism and protectionism to stop and reverse time back to when it made sense for America to be a predominantly manufacturing economy. I am not saying nothing can change. There is nothing but change. You just wish it didn't change, but it does. And it has changed in a way that makes it so the economy of yesteryear is not the economy of today or tomorrow. The economy of tomorrow is not a defeat at all. It can be better than it has ever been. It just certainly won't be the economy of yesterday you wish it was.