** 2016 Election Day Discussion **

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Why Trump won, part 1:
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http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
 
OMG! OMG! OMG!

Don Lemon is coming on now!

Annnd, record.
 
TheComebackKid said:
So on one hand you criticize me for being "pretty ugly". You do this all the while calling Hillary a "stupid bitch" and calling me "repugnant" and "deplorable". When are you going to soften up? When are you going to stop being ugly? Or is just ugly when I do it?
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Lol, I definitely lay it on way too thick when it comes to Clinton. On top of calling her a stupid bitch I've called her repulsive and wished terrible things on her. Its just a small exercise in catharsis I use but fair point, I definitely go overboard on her. Don't hate the player, hate the game and all that.

As for you, its not so much the words themselves that bother me. People here call leftists cucks all the time. Its the WR ffs, its going to get ugly. My problem is with the attitude. In another thread you've said leftists are ruining America. That's not unlike what I see from the silly "das racis" Hillary supporters. Its a demonizing of the other as the integral problem of the country. I hate when either side does it because I believe that political polarization is the biggest threat to our democracy. But sure, perhaps I laid it on too thick on you too. I did suspect as much right after I posted so I probably should've sat on it more.
There is something you don't factor in probably because you didn't experience it. I made that thread not even 12hrs after coming off of an entire year of what felt like, and actually was, the entire world calling us deplorable, delusional, poor, uneducated, and losers. Most of the posters I put in the OP have all done these things. After a year of total and complete arrogance and insults...they can't take eat a bit of crow?
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From the beginning I had a friend who was a Trump supporter so I was always sympathetic to them since I had a personal example of a guy I knew was a decent person supporting him. And I didn't care for this characterization of Trump supporters so I can understand your feelings atm.

And @sodapopinski had a similar post in the election thread. I thought his was more tasteful so I threw him a "like", especially since I know he's been one of Trump's biggest cheerleaders here.
In regards to being "pretty ugly". Theres another thing you haven't experienced. And that is war room members calling you personally...racist, sexist, homophobic, dumb, retarded, an uncle tom, a fake person, a troll, and everything else. I've never complained or reported people...I've never even put a person on ignore. I just roll with it and respond in kind. Perhaps I'm too thick skinned and assume others can just roll with it as well. Perhaps I should consider others feelings more. Like if someone calls me repugnant and deplorable I should consider how they might feel if I call them a thin-skinned sissy la-la? Or maybe I can just not take it too personal, respect and accept it if that's how they really feel, and assume they'll do the same?
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Yeah I've always said you get way too much shit. Off the top of my head I remember it going back to the 2012 election. Maybe those things that are said about you are true. But maybe they're true of me. How can you know I'm not a troll or a homophobe? You can't but we should strive to give others the benefit of the doubt and I don't think you get that enough.
In regards to "shaming". What if I believe that knowingly voting for a person who is guaranteed to sell out the country in a myriad of ways is a shameful act? Should I not call it such? If you feel like someone's posting is repugnant would you not call it such? Don't be a hypocrite Kafir. You have been harshly critical of me and have insulted my personal character multiple times now. Which is ok btw. Believe it or not I have always respected you as a poster so your opinion is one I consider even when it's critical as fuck. So don't sit over there and pretend you are above using nasty language, harsh criticisms, and heavy condemnation.
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On shaming Clinton voters, I'm against it because I think we end up polarizing the nation more. If a Clinton supporter goes from an honest individual with reasonable differences to a shameful traitor and a Trump supporter goes from a person with reasonable grievances to a bottom of the barrel bigot then the election and the aftermath gets ugly.

Now the obvious counter point to that is that perhaps I haven't always done my part in these exchanges to deescalate. And it would be a fair point so I'll concede it in advance. To be clear, I'm not necessarily against really ripping into someone with harsh language but more so against a consistent maligning of political opponents as an irredeemable other.In short, I'd rather someone call me a fucking idiot but say we're still in this together then politely call me a political cancer that should expunged from the system.

That's what I see in your attitude, though I will concede that I believe the anti-Trump folks started it first. And I think they've been the more polarizing side so its very easy for me to believe your more polarized view point is a result of that. Nonetheless regardless of who started it it turns into a vicious cycle
Now that the election is over and I've taken a day to bask in victory I don't plan to hold grudges with Hillary voters. I said my piece and served up some crow. But now it's like I said we are all still Americans and are all in this together. There really are some scared and hurt people in this country who ate up all the fear mongering that Hillary and the media fed them. I hope Trump and others don't just dismiss that. We don't want different racial, sexual, and religious groups feeling like the country has rejected them by voting Trump. Those kind of wounds last generations and I'm actually pretty worried about that tbh.
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Yeah I've run into some of those people. They're big babies and it'll be difficult to convince them. I think that just as there were right wingers who could never accept Obama there will be leftists who will throw a 4 year(fingers crossed) temper tantrum.
 
Let it be known, "Socialist Alternative" is the new BLM.
 
As for the popular vote. It's meaningless to mention considering both candidates modeled their campaigns for electoral votes. If it was direct democracy based on popular vote than you would see both candidates all over the country...then there would be a lot of votes for Trump in places like Cali, Oregon, Washington , Nevada, Colorado who also have a lot of GASP! Rural Low income working class crackers(dun dun dun) who would all of a sudden have a vote that counts.

Hilary wasn't hosed because she won the popular vote because of the sheer population of 3 fixed states that republicans barely bother voting in anyway. She played the electoral game just like Trump and got her ass handed to her.
 
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Breakitdown said:
Sounds like you're admitting more than you want to here. People who don't make much $$$ (yourself) shouldn't be allowed to vote TBH. Let people who make far more (myself, etc) make decisions.

Trump will be an all time great President. This was a great win.
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We're either misunderstanding each other or on the same side. My idea of $$$ as you put it is probably much different than yours yet you mention trumps great win.

I do think it's cute how you called me poor in a round about way lol.
 
sodapopinski said:
This is one of the things that pushed me away from the left - instead of disagreeing with their opponents and trying to explain things in a rational way, they instead use labels (like racist or sexist) to stigmatize any dissenters so they don't have to defend things at a rational level.

To be fair it's not like the right tries hard to defend things at a rational level and both sides need to work on it, but at least if you disagree with the right you won't be called labels like racist that are very, very hard to wash off.

I've already had friends equate nationalism with racism, xenophobia, and white supremacy. They don't care if it makes sense (it doesn't), they are simply regurgitating SJW bullshit and don't realize how they are being useful idiots for people with ulterior motives.
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Its just strikes me as a naked example of tribalism. "My candidate supports x so now I will argue for x even though 10 years ago I argued against it when an R had the same views"

Its been surreal to see so called leftists supporting interventionism and neoliberal economics
Kingz said:
I know...it's remarkable how quickly and easily libs flipped on globalization. As recent as 3-4 years ago it was called as it was by the left..then the left elites out of nowhere started beating the globalization drum and now it's a big dream..It's as if they only do as they're told...
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I'm not against globalization in the sense that I think we'll eventually reach a point where we'll have global economic, political, and security integration.

But in its current form its clearly maligned many people and leftists have been among its main critics. And a lot of legit leftists still are criticizing it(for instance, socialist quack Tariq Ali voted for Brexit). But when it comes to low information liberals who thrive on identity politics the nitty gritty details don't seem important.
 
sodapopinski said:
I can't handle his show. Summary, please.
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Unfortunately, the crybaby coverage is getting all the attention.

I may have to wait a day or two to savor his tears.

EDIT - They actually found a smart young man within the crowd. And I quote:

"America had their voices heard. You lost. Get over it. This is ridiculous."
 
Kafir-kun said:
Its just strikes me as a naked example of tribalism. "My candidate supports x so now I will argue for x even though 10 years ago I argued against it when an R had the same views"

Its been surreal to see so called leftists supporting interventionism and neoliberal economics
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Exactly. That was very apparent with Brexit. The left, which had been the bastion of protecting labor, were suddenly defending open borders and trade and actually calling people against those neoliberal policies racist.

I actually care about those issues and it affected my vote. I've watched people throw their principles away and become complete hypocrites just to follow the party line.
 
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